Would a macro using 1 key to do 3-5 LAs sequentially be against TOS & potentially get you banned?

daemondamian · August 2020

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

idk · August 2020

Using a macro to do combat moves is most certainly against the ToS. If you are clearing the dungeon solo I am not sure who would report you though there is a chance this thread could gets Zos' attention.

Regardless, I would suggest finding a different means to execute your LAs for the sake of your shoulder. I have heard of a player who had serious shoulder issues and used a game controller with a one-hand or one-bar build he created and a WW build is a one-bar build. Essentially a simplified build. It helped. Some here in the forums may have ideas to help you.

Good luck.

mairwen85 · August 2020

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

Can you not rebind light attacks specifically on your WW character (keybinds are per character)? There are also controller options:
https://scufgaming.com/

Daemons_Bane · August 2020

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · August 2020

it will mean an account ban they state it in there t&c's

lolo_01b16_ESO · August 2020

Have you tried binding light attacks to the mouse wheel? Depending on your injury, that might be way less painful than clicking.

tgrippa · August 2020

Try foot pedal controllers, I use one for push to talk and it would work for light attacks.

EIGHTS · August 2020

Using the combat log add-on. If you are killed by a macro user, report him with the log to ZOS.
The only way you can do atm.

TwinLamps · August 2020

I might be wrong but from how I understand system its against TOS and prolly would result in a ban.

mairwen85 · August 2020

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Not illegal, just in breach of terms of service.

Luckylancer · August 2020

I dont know but you can try pedal like devices to do these with your legs.

Daemons_Bane · August 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Not illegal, just in breach of terms of service.

Potato/potato

Rungar · August 2020

Have you tried playing with a controller? Shouldnt need to move your shoulders at all and holding on to the controller will stabilize your shoulder a bit once you find a comfortable position.

You want to then get a comfortable reclining chair you can rest your elbows on....and a 60 inch tv .....just in case it will help......

mairwen85 · August 2020

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Not illegal, just in breach of terms of service.

Potato/potato

Hardly. Breaching TOS will not necessarily result in arrest or action against you from a legal perspective and in most cases the law does not provide a remedy for such breaches nor does it discern what constitutes a breach--the contract terms do that; TOS is an agreement between yourself and the service provider, and all definitions of, and actions/measures and remedy to breach are stipulated within that agreement. Unless your breach was the direct result of illegal activity, it isn't criminal--likewise, unless your breach was the result of damages to the service provider or their reputation. Contract law is a different animal, and again, not exactly a question of legality, and only considered If one party feels the need to sue or chase the other due to failures to comply with those agreements outside of what is mutually agreed within the terms. It's more like potato/yam.

zaria · August 2020

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Agree, on the other hand nobody will notice and report if its for soloing.
And even in an group how would any find out and more bother to report in an easy dungeon.
Pretty sure lots of people do LA weave with macros. Look at people with staffs and if they always LA even if not aiming at enemies, like an healer doing using regeneration before the tank pulls and see if its an LA going nowhere.

Now PvP is another issue totally, however that thigh combo could just as well be an good parse.

Linaleah · August 2020

thirding? food pedals.

I'm pretty sure macros like this are against ToS, but manualy controllable controllers are not.

https://www.gamingmouse.com/gaming/fragpedal/dual/ this one seems to come recommended specifically for people with disabilities/mobility issues/etc seems to be a reasonable price IMO.

zaria · August 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Not illegal, just in breach of terms of service.

Potato/potato

Hardly. Breaching TOS will not necessarily result in arrest or action against you from a legal perspective and in most cases the law does not provide a remedy for such breaches nor does it discern what constitutes a breach--the contract terms do that; TOS is an agreement between yourself and the service provider, and all definitions of, and actions/measures and remedy to breach are stipulated within that agreement. Unless your breach was the direct result of illegal activity, it isn't criminal--likewise, unless your breach was the result of damages to the service provider or their reputation. Contract law is a different animal, and again, not exactly a question of legality, and only considered If one party feels the need to sue or chase the other due to failures to comply with those agreements outside of what is mutually agreed within the terms. It's more like potato/yam.

This, rules in games are internal rules not laws. The only way it can be legal response is if you break real laws and that is hard to do inside an game.
But think most read illegal in the game rules like its illegal to use your hands in soccer (outside the keeper and a few exceptions)

Jeremy · August 2020

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

Jeremy · August 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Not illegal, just in breach of terms of service.

Potato/potato

Hardly. Breaching TOS will not necessarily result in arrest or action against you from a legal perspective and in most cases the law does not provide a remedy for such breaches nor does it discern what constitutes a breach--the contract terms do that; TOS is an agreement between yourself and the service provider, and all definitions of, and actions/measures and remedy to breach are stipulated within that agreement. Unless your breach was the direct result of illegal activity, it isn't criminal--likewise, unless your breach was the result of damages to the service provider or their reputation. Contract law is a different animal, and again, not exactly a question of legality, and only considered If one party feels the need to sue or chase the other due to failures to comply with those agreements outside of what is mutually agreed within the terms. It's more like potato/yam.

He or she probably just meant "illegal" in the context of the game. I doubt the poster meant you could actually go to jail for it. lol

But who knows.

VaranisArano · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

mairwen85 · August 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

Specifically this:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1827438/#Comment_1827438

Hotdog_23 · August 2020

Don’t have frozen shoulder but arthritis is a PIA in the hands. You have my sympathy. For me light attacking is still hard to consistently do on a controller without pain. Some days are better than others.

No real suggestion but in my experience playing a WW is too much for me personally due to the amount light attacks needed to play it effectively. Maybe play a Magplar until if or when they change jabs skill with the upcoming AOE test. Of a heavy attack Magsocr build to lessen the need to light attack as much.

God, I wish ZOS would allow me to change/assign buttons in game. Console player.

Good luck be safe and have pain free fun

Jeremy · August 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

Thanks to you and Maiwren both for the link. But from what I see - it says macros you create from using gaming mice and controllers aren't against the Terms of Service. Just macros you create from third party software - which I guess in this context means addons.

So it seems to me that macros themselves are basically allowed. Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in creating a macro though addon software or making them through software that comes with your gaming mouse. So this would probably explain why macro use is so widespread on this game and I have yet to see or hear about anyone actually being banned for using them.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

Thanks to you and Maiwren both for the link. But from what I see - it says macros you create from using gaming mice and controllers aren't against the Terms of Service. Just macros you create from third party software - which I guess in this context means addons.

So it seems to me that macros themselves are basically allowed. Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in creating a macro though addon software or making them through software that comes with your gaming mouse. So this would probably explain why macro use is so widespread on this game and I have yet to see or hear about anyone actually being banned for using them.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, that is in the t&c's

idk · August 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Not illegal, just in breach of terms of service.

Potato/potato

Hardly. Breaching TOS will not necessarily result in arrest or action against you from a legal perspective and in most cases the law does not provide a remedy for such breaches nor does it discern what constitutes a breach--the contract terms do that; TOS is an agreement between yourself and the service provider, and all definitions of, and actions/measures and remedy to breach are stipulated within that agreement. Unless your breach was the direct result of illegal activity, it isn't criminal--likewise, unless your breach was the result of damages to the service provider or their reputation. Contract law is a different animal, and again, not exactly a question of legality, and only considered If one party feels the need to sue or chase the other due to failures to comply with those agreements outside of what is mutually agreed within the terms. It's more like potato/yam.

It does not seem anyone is actually talking about anything being a criminal act that would lead to arrest so aI fail to see the point of even discussing that.

Zos takes does not go to court to have them determine what action can be taken against players, they move on their own and it is up to the player to test the legal waters of the ToS and other documents and I am pretty sure if it comes to that most players will tuck and run. So we really are not going to delve into the contract law part of things so the question of legality does not come into play for most players.

idk · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

Thanks to you and Maiwren both for the link. But from what I see - it says macros you create from using gaming mice and controllers aren't against the Terms of Service. Just macros you create from third party software - which I guess in this context means addons.

So it seems to me that macros themselves are basically allowed. Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in creating a macro though addon software or making them through software that comes with your gaming mouse. So this would probably explain why macro use is so widespread on this game and I have yet to see or hear about anyone actually being banned for using them.

The software for mice and keyboards where macros can be created is third party software and as such is in violation of the ToS. Zos does not make an exception for them.

Varana · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

Thanks to you and Maiwren both for the link. But from what I see - it says macros you create from using gaming mice and controllers aren't against the Terms of Service. Just macros you create from third party software - which I guess in this context means addons.

So it seems to me that macros themselves are basically allowed. Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in creating a macro though addon software or making them through software that comes with your gaming mouse. So this would probably explain why macro use is so widespread on this game and I have yet to see or hear about anyone actually being banned for using them.

It's the other way around.
The software that's used for setting up macros on your gaming mouse is 3rd party software - i.e. not coming from ZOS.
Add-ons are more or less ZOS software - they're just scripts using ZOS' API. They control what you can and cannot do - and if it goes too far, they switch off the command, like they did with Miat's "alert you to attacks before they happen" add-on. And afaik you can't create a macro that does auto-attacks for you, with ZOS' scripting API.

mairwen85 · August 2020

idk wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

95-99% sure that it would be illegal

Not illegal, just in breach of terms of service.

Potato/potato

Hardly. Breaching TOS will not necessarily result in arrest or action against you from a legal perspective and in most cases the law does not provide a remedy for such breaches nor does it discern what constitutes a breach--the contract terms do that; TOS is an agreement between yourself and the service provider, and all definitions of, and actions/measures and remedy to breach are stipulated within that agreement. Unless your breach was the direct result of illegal activity, it isn't criminal--likewise, unless your breach was the result of damages to the service provider or their reputation. Contract law is a different animal, and again, not exactly a question of legality, and only considered If one party feels the need to sue or chase the other due to failures to comply with those agreements outside of what is mutually agreed within the terms. It's more like potato/yam.

It does not seem anyone is actually talking about anything being a criminal act that would lead to arrest so aI fail to see the point of even discussing that.

Zos takes does not go to court to have them determine what action can be taken against players, they move on their own and it is up to the player to test the legal waters of the ToS and other documents and I am pretty sure if it comes to that most players will tuck and run. So we really are not going to delve into the contract law part of things so the question of legality does not come into play for most players.

Isn't that what I said? You appear confused wrt to point of my post. I was responding to the post further up stating that breaching ToS was illegal, 😂

mairwen85 · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

Thanks to you and Maiwren both for the link. But from what I see - it says macros you create from using gaming mice and controllers aren't against the Terms of Service. Just macros you create from third party software - which I guess in this context means addons.

So it seems to me that macros themselves are basically allowed. Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in creating a macro though addon software or making them through software that comes with your gaming mouse. So this would probably explain why macro use is so widespread on this game and I have yet to see or hear about anyone actually being banned for using them.

If you scroll up a bit from the comment I linked, you will see that is specifically addressed in a prior comment by Molly.

Jeremy · August 2020

idk wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

Thanks to you and Maiwren both for the link. But from what I see - it says macros you create from using gaming mice and controllers aren't against the Terms of Service. Just macros you create from third party software - which I guess in this context means addons.

So it seems to me that macros themselves are basically allowed. Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in creating a macro though addon software or making them through software that comes with your gaming mouse. So this would probably explain why macro use is so widespread on this game and I have yet to see or hear about anyone actually being banned for using them.

The software for mice and keyboards where macros can be created is third party software and as such is in violation of the ToS. Zos does not make an exception for them.

So why does ZoS single out gaming keyboards and mice in that comment Maiwren linked as being ok to use in the context of macros?

A lot of gaming mouses these days have extensive software to create macros

mairwen85 · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: can I use a macro for hitting the same key several times in a row for solo PVE as a werewolf to help me avoid pain problems from doing it normally?

I have 2 werewolf alt characters that recently I've been using to solo farm Blackheart Haven for an Undaunted Unweaver Lightning Staff for another alt that I'm making a heavy staff attack build for.

I have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in my left shoulder & pain problems with my right shoulder from being in a car accident. Doing certain things makes my right shoulder worse to the point sometimes that normal painkillers & anti-inflammatories don't work & I can't even play the game or do other normal household stuff like dishes.

Repeatedly using the mouse for LAs in werewolf form is one of the things that makes it worse - it's one of the reasons I don't run those alts in WW form much.

I know I can make a key on the keyboard a secondary control for LAs & made 'v' one but it's in too of an awkward position to use normally because then I have to move my hand back up to the movement & 1-5 keys.

If I could use a macro that made hitting one key repeat 3-5 light attacks in a row then possibly I could play more often in WW form & even keep solo farming BH.

But if I could & did make one & used it would I be opening myself up for a ban?

Also I have been running BH with my healer in pug groups when it's been the pledge & have lost count of how many runs I've done. Only one time did someone else get the UU LS but must have wanted to keep it. The only other char I soloed BH on was my magblade using hindrance potion, hist sap etc & it was not something I would ever choose to or possibly could do again.

They say it's against the rules on here. But I've never seen an official post from an ZoS employee confirming that is against the terms of service. I've asked around too. So it doesn't seem like anyone on the board is aware of one either.

I can tell you this: if you do use them (and I'm not recommending that you do) you certainly won't be the only one. Macro use is widespread on this game and many many people use them. I have also yet to meet a single person who was banned for it. So if using macros are against the rules - it seems to me like they are very lax on enforcing it.

You can find a number of sources about macros on this thread, mostly found the last time somebody asked me to produce ZOS quotes.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460348/macro-in-action/

Thanks to you and Maiwren both for the link. But from what I see - it says macros you create from using gaming mice and controllers aren't against the Terms of Service. Just macros you create from third party software - which I guess in this context means addons.

So it seems to me that macros themselves are basically allowed. Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in creating a macro though addon software or making them through software that comes with your gaming mouse. So this would probably explain why macro use is so widespread on this game and I have yet to see or hear about anyone actually being banned for using them.

The software for mice and keyboards where macros can be created is third party software and as such is in violation of the ToS. Zos does not make an exception for them.

So why does ZoS single out gaming keyboards and mice in that comment Maiwren linked as being ok to use in the context of macros?

A lot of gaming mouses these days have extensive software to create macros

The hardware is fine, for binding etc, but not not for automation of control or input. Like I said, scroll up a bit.