just use a build that can solo it and don't revive them in the bossfight.
after you've killed the boss, say something like "my god, you are the worst players i've ever encountered " and "don't ever queue for vet again "
the smiley is important!
alternatively you can also offer to help them with their build and improve their knowledge of the game, though.
whatever floats your boat!

Yes, now I'm low dps, as in my best parses on best dps was 30 k with headwind.
But if you can not do 15k dps don't queue as an DD in vet dungeons.

Now the last boss in BC1 has an pretty nasty one shot, you need to block or shield for it or your dead.
I would change it as BC1 is an low tire dungeon and its too hard for its level, its fitting for an 2.
Same with spindle 1.

Now BC2 has two dps checks, one is keeper Indril who spawns lot of adds, second is the last boss and the daedroths.
You can wipe multiple times on each in normal if group is bad enough. Yes its require some serious lack of skill.

An bad sign i then the tank is very fake and your healer do +50% of damage. Now this is not an problem in nCoA1, but it will not work in an vet dlc, just leave after first trash pull

Charon_on_Vacation wrote: »

i've met a few of those very special players. it's not that uncommon that i have to finish tempest or banished cells 1 hm solo because reviving the rest of the group will just result in them dying again.
a minority of those wasn't willing to listen and learn, but they also exist.
vet dlcs can be quite a pain if you try them with randoms, though.

I don't say it never happens. And yes, I agree with you about the vet DLC (though it's often a mechanic problem instead of a pure dps problem - those dungeons are a bit tricky. Also, sometimes, the tank and healer are also to blame).

I just say it incredibly rarer than reading the forums would lead you to believe.
I mean, if you read the forum, the queue is a wild west full of fake tanks and bad dps. That is not true, I can do vet dungeon on queue the vast majority or the times.

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Kick the dds from the group or leave yourself before the situation gets worse at the last boss. There's nothing else to do in pugs.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

These are the downsides of using the queue, @Grandchamp1989.

If you need a specific outcome for your pledge, find a pre-made group instead ... even if the outcome you’re expecting is just a clear.

The system should not cater for the lowest of the low.

The mechanics in this game are stupid. Especially even on one shotter in normal dungeon. Its cringeworthy.

Only a few are good mechanics that are not 1 shot.

Kadoin wrote: »

To be fair, in a dungeon that easy if you don't like the DPS being done, couldn't you as a tank also DPS...?

That what I do as healer. I mean, 25k groupe dps ? C'mom I pull 20k in healing set up...
I always carry a nma+ms+grod when I pug in easy content cuz 90% of the time 1 heal is enough.
And if it's a fake tank I just slot taunt, nothing hard in these.

But, let be honest, if you queu as tank or heal, you should not be expected to do dmg, even if you can.
If DPS are that low and that agressive when you tell them about their low perf and knowledge, just kick them or leave. No way I carry some selfish arrogant pug.

Kadoin wrote: »

To be fair, in a dungeon that easy if you don't like the DPS being done, couldn't you as a tank also DPS...?

This isn't as simple as you make it sound. The ONLY time I ever do non-DLC dungeons is when I hit the random button. The problem with this is that as a tank, because the dungeon is random, I have a good chance of getting a DLC dungeon...and if I get a DLC dungeon, I need to be able to survive a pug with bad DPS....which means that my default pug sets are sets that will let me survive very long fights on bosses and trash mobs that can kill tanks. If I go into a vet DLC dungeon under a tank role with a hybrid DPS setup, survival becomes very difficult if the DPS is bad.

On non-DLC vet dungeons, this isn't a problem in the least...nothing there can one-shot anyone if they are blocking or evading. The only really viable solution to be able to run a hybrid DPS/tank consistently is dressing room add-on or similar....which I use myself, but a lot of people(especially console players) do not have access to.

The better solution is of course just not to pug....its really sad that the way some groups wind up drives tanks away from helping those who need it most. I pug all the time...but I am just a glutton for punishment I guess.

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

I get it, I really do, people want to give vet a try and they see "banished cell 1 pledge" and give it a go.

But when you're cp 450-550, que up for DD and the group damage on the boss is around 25k that's 12,5k damage each!
On top of that when you constantly go down because your health is so low, and you can't block the final boss' special attack (the push) it's not good. As a result the group damage would plummet to 8-9k.. Then it's not fun to be a tank..

When you tell them that around 10k group damage and no food/block is not acceptable (while rez'ing them) and they tell you to leave.... That's a sight to behold.

I was there too, at one time I couldn't break 20k either, I totally understand... But when you struggle with killing regular skeletons and has to be rez'd for the 5th time in Banished Cell 1 you gotta realize something ain't working...

Does Banished Cell 1 have any dps checks?

Banished Cells 2 can be annoying to tank with low DPS cause those adds at the end can stack up and be a pain to control. But I don't remember Banished Cells 1 being a problem with low dps.

Honestly, I don't que for vet dungeons unless we at least have 3/4 slots set up with pre-made and we're confident we can do the vet dungeon with 3 people. Its for this reason why I wish we could have the option to de-select dungeons so it won't randomly put you in a vet DLC dungeon that your not fully equipped to take on. And then you are punished by a cool-down if you abandon the dungeon. It's just frustrating.

The truth hurts sometimes.

A player at that level should be doing 20k to 25k dps each, not 12k. Did you notice if they were doing nothing but light attacks. When you say something like that in a Vet Dungeon is unacceptable, I definitely agree, but I feel we must express that to the group in a polite, constructive way. Try and give pointers, advice, even mention how rotations work if we must. A lot of the time players are glad to learn way to be better. I've had my fair share of teaching moments, but if they refuse to listen and reply with telling you the more experienced player to leave, then really, just leave. Taking your carry with you.

Scrollup wrote: »

The mechanics in this game are stupid. Especially even on one shotter in normal dungeon. Its cringeworthy.

Only a few are good mechanics that are not 1 shot.

Who one shots in normals? Yes you have some in some DLC ones, like the the first bosses in march of sacrifices.

Jeremy wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Banished cells vet? im pretty sure 10k dps is more than enough per person, you can do these dungeons practically naked.

Old vet dungeons are definetly balanced for lower than 500 cp.

Even VMA which was added later is balanced around 300cp.

If ppl keep dying its not a dps issue, its a dont stand in stupid issue.

Even than, my templar can keep groups alive with just radiating regen and ritual, reall shouldnt be that hard to survive in these dungeons.

The last boss does have a fairly nasty move that randomly hits a member of the group. So that's probably what the OP is talking about. So I have seen some survivability problems on that dungeon before with players getting one-shotted.

But unless I'm forgetting something, there isn't any hard dps checks. So I would think even below average damage should be able to complete it.

Yes vBC1 has an hard hitting attack who is a bit hard to see. Its obviously worse on lower cp players as it does 16-20 K damage. Not an issue for tank but DD can easy get problems here. For magic players having an shield up is very smart.
vSpindle1 has the same issue