kargen27 wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

In my opinion
Either it stay at iit is or the seperate the player base with premade queue an matchmade queue wich would basicly separate the already low pvp population in 2

Yet, I can't help but think this is a fallacy. Either battlegrounds were previously dominated by full and partial pre-mades, or there aren't enough players to support group queues. Both can't be true.

It was common during not prime hours to see the same pre-made group over and over again. Eventually the few players queuing as pugs would give up for the night and those that stuck around would sit around waiting, hoping enough would join to start and that the pre-made got bored and moved on.
Only takes one or two groups to dominate what was often a low population causing even lower populations. Pre-made groups could very easily be to blame for the low numbers of players willing to give battlegrounds a fair try. A larger percentage of the battles I have now are fun and competitive compared to when we could group. It isn't even close the difference in fun and entertaining matches.
I'm hoping the reputation battle grounds gained because of pre-made groups fades and more people start doing them again. As it is now there is nowhere near enough players interested to divide into two queues. The few that have returned will leave again if the changes are reverted and groups are allowed again.

I have had the exact opposite of an experience. Even when I used to Q for a battleground solo and would come up against premades, it is what it is, premades are a part of ANY game that allows player vs player, in any genre that isn’t a free for all. Every MMO, every shooting game, console games etc that have team based PvP, will have premades and if that is too much to handle then perhaps PvP battlegrounds aren’t for you and you should look at another avenue of PvP. If you really love battlegrounds so much and premades are THAT much of an issue for you, then why not create a group of your own? Wouldn’t that be more fun? Or are we catering to the minority who LOVE battlegrounds to death but ONLY play solo? How do you do dungeons and trials then? It doesn’t make sense.

BG’s now are FAR from competitive in any aspect, you are either being ROLLED or doing the rolling, depending on who is luckier with their team match up. I’ve had 3 healers on my team, I’ve seen groups with 4 of the same class including 4 bow blades, 4 DK’s and a 4 sorc team. So how has anything changed? Most people blame premades for their losses even when they were simply outmatched, some people still even blame premades now!

BG’s are no longer a team environment in ESO as they are everywhere else - they are a solo experience catered toward the casual minority, not only have their been guilds with full populations and discord servers completely die off from these changes but it has put a lot of people off the game period. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again... Cyrodiil is large enough to cater for single player PvP and large scale PvP, however it does not cater for small scale objective based PvP, this is where battlegrounds would shine and now that is a watered down, boring experience in itself having to mindlessly play alone and frustratingly try to coordinate with a team who is just there for the daily or to rack up as many kills as possible in a chaos ball.

Edit: And for the record, even when I used to Q by myself I never experienced any repetitive decimation from the same premade over and over, at most I would find them twice in a row and I never had an issue in Qing again to find a new group. I would see a lot more variety in the names I see now. I PvP for about 90% of my game time and if I dedicate one full day to BG’s I’ll see the same damn people continuously, all day, not only that, but my team will half the time not even be full!

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Solo queue only is an improvement over the prior system. The combat system in ESO results in semi-competent 4-man premades having a nearly insurmountable advantage over randoms, even if the randoms are highly skilled. Removing that power asymmetry from BGs made sense.

However, friends should be able to play with each other. But a separate group queue won't work. The population will not be high enough in a separate group queue to permit functional matchmaking. Thus, allow solos and duos to queue together. Duos will have and advantage, but nothing like a 4-man premade. And people will be able to queue with a friend again. This also avoids fracturing the population and increasing queue times. It is a rational, easily implemented, and effective compromise solution.

exactly! i dont know how people still refuse to see that this is the only possible solution for now. If they implement solo+duo que bg population will increase alot espacially in the mid/high mmr area. Almost all of my friends and members of different discords stopped doing bgs frequently. Even a discord that was founded for BGs only went to be completly silent.
Zenimax safe Battlegrounds from becoming nothing more then a daily random activity once a day!

mairwen85 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

This was dealt with conclusively by ZOS in May.

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

Hey all,

At this time, there are no immediate plans to reintroduce group queuing for PvP Battlegrounds in ESO. We are focusing on game performance improvements, and monitoring PvP Battlegrounds activity and feedback. If we do consider reintroducing group queueing for PvP Battlegrounds in the future, we’ll let everyone know.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6771934#Comment_6771934

ZOS_SarahHecker wrote: »

and monitoring PvP Battlegrounds activity and feedback.

Which is why feedback matters. Threads like this one tend to start off constructive, get a little bolshy in the middle, and then taper off for the cycle to start afresh in a new thread. I hope they really are monitoring the feedback across the forums.

The problem with the feedback on this is that half the commenters want solo queues, half the commenters want group queues, and the two halves don't make up enough of a base to split it in two and offer both options. You may read Sarah's comment differently to me, but I read it as being pretty conclusive.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Here's a thought, proper ranking and leader-boards with option to play ranked match with group, or non ranked solo.[/quote]

Good idea. Problem is there aren’t enough players actively queuing for splitting the population like this. If ESO were a dedicated PVP game like Battlefield or COD sure you can do this. But if you look at current leaderboards it’s easily the same individuals over and over again, week after week. Players simply have too many choices in alternative activities within the game.

BG problems go WAY beyond just leaderboards that rewards the most play time. There’s no incentive for players to join up. The gear is stale and of no use in the meta. Players treat every mode as if it were a deathmatch resulting in frustration. And the MIN-MAX meta results in severely unbalanced matches which again forces frustrated players to quit and never return to the mode.

Solo-only queue was the first step in fixing these issue by trying to get a larger number of ppl to play BGs. But more corrective action is needed before group queue can be brought back. Otherwise the same issues will be exacerbated and BGs will be pointless and die. [/quote]

Maybe more people would queue if they could play with their friends?

They already were due to how the MMR system works. The higher score you get,the more games you played or the more you queued as a group, the faster you would end up in high MMR. And in high MMR you would either face:
1. Better player
2. More premades

So back then the issue solved itself by how ZOS mmr system worked. Now you end up fighting the same 20 players in each game and it´s pure RNG on whoever gets the least *** players who for some reason ended up in a high mmr game and ends up with 0-20 on their scoreboard. You can´t defend the current system. The old one is miles better. Even now people make excused about premades, even tho it´s not possible anymore. That if anything tells you all you need to know about the people who cries about premades.

I´d take the old system 24/7 and be up against two full stacked premades as a solo player, as long as it meant I could play with friend whenever I wanted to.

I have to agree here. In high MMR, I run into roughly the same 15-30 players I can recognize by character or @ usernames,

Even then, many of these matches are still stomping grounds for the better players, I can provide many of my own screenshots of high MMR stomping without a cheese build. I can also provide friends in higher MMR with those screenshots. I can link to a particular streamer that is my MMR, that faces the same general people I do.

Really, one thing I liked about the old system was the variance in teammates, and the fact that I could group with friends. I don't mind playing solo now, as I didn't mind it before, but it was wonderful to have the option to play with a friend if I wanted to.

kargen27 wrote: »

CheeseyNugs wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

In my opinion
Either it stay at iit is or the seperate the player base with premade queue an matchmade queue wich would basicly separate the already low pvp population in 2

Yet, I can't help but think this is a fallacy. Either battlegrounds were previously dominated by full and partial pre-mades, or there aren't enough players to support group queues. Both can't be true.

It was common during not prime hours to see the same pre-made group over and over again. Eventually the few players queuing as pugs would give up for the night and those that stuck around would sit around waiting, hoping enough would join to start and that the pre-made got bored and moved on.
Only takes one or two groups to dominate what was often a low population causing even lower populations. Pre-made groups could very easily be to blame for the low numbers of players willing to give battlegrounds a fair try. A larger percentage of the battles I have now are fun and competitive compared to when we could group. It isn't even close the difference in fun and entertaining matches.
I'm hoping the reputation battle grounds gained because of pre-made groups fades and more people start doing them again. As it is now there is nowhere near enough players interested to divide into two queues. The few that have returned will leave again if the changes are reverted and groups are allowed again.

I have had the exact opposite of an experience. Even when I used to Q for a battleground solo and would come up against premades, it is what it is, premades are a part of ANY game that allows player vs player, in any genre that isn’t a free for all. Every MMO, every shooting game, console games etc that have team based PvP, will have premades and if that is too much to handle then perhaps PvP battlegrounds aren’t for you and you should look at another avenue of PvP. If you really love battlegrounds so much and premades are THAT much of an issue for you, then why not create a group of your own? Wouldn’t that be more fun? Or are we catering to the minority who LOVE battlegrounds to death but ONLY play solo? How do you do dungeons and trials then? It doesn’t make sense.

BG’s now are FAR from competitive in any aspect, you are either being ROLLED or doing the rolling, depending on who is luckier with their team match up. I’ve had 3 healers on my team, I’ve seen groups with 4 of the same class including 4 bow blades, 4 DK’s and a 4 sorc team. So how has anything changed? Most people blame premades for their losses even when they were simply outmatched, some people still even blame premades now!

BG’s are no longer a team environment in ESO as they are everywhere else - they are a solo experience catered toward the casual minority, not only have their been guilds with full populations and discord servers completely die off from these changes but it has put a lot of people off the game period. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again... Cyrodiil is large enough to cater for single player PvP and large scale PvP, however it does not cater for small scale objective based PvP, this is where battlegrounds would shine and now that is a watered down, boring experience in itself having to mindlessly play alone and frustratingly try to coordinate with a team who is just there for the daily or to rack up as many kills as possible in a chaos ball.

Edit: And for the record, even when I used to Q by myself I never experienced any repetitive decimation from the same premade over and over, at most I would find them twice in a row and I never had an issue in Qing again to find a new group. I would see a lot more variety in the names I see now. I PvP for about 90% of my game time and if I dedicate one full day to BG’s I’ll see the same damn people continuously, all day, not only that, but my team will half the time not even be full!

Maybe our differences in experience are the time of day we play the game? And no playing in a preformed group wasn't much fun either. Why? Because we were the ones doing the steamrolling until other players just quit queuing. Every once in a while you would get a good competitive match. With the change there are still matches that are dominated by one side but a larger percentage of matches are competitive. It is more fun now in more matches than before the change. Would be great if they were able to fix battlegrounds so I could group with guild mates again but going back to what it was before is not the answer.

The population of players doing battlegrounds was nowhere big enough that entire full guilds died because of the change. If those players quit they were near quitting anyway.

You can't say that the population of battlegrounds WAS NOT big enough, I was a part of 2 guilds that primarily formed through / over battlegrounds and both of which had 300+ people, both were extremely active and I played with them frequently, for you to say that these guilds died off because "they were going to quit anyway" are not FACTS, they are your assumptions and they are wrong. I know a lot of people who I play with in other games still who quit BECAUSE of the battleground system and who will not come back until they can do BG's again. You have to understand that for some people, like me, this is the only source of PvP outside of duels (sometimes) that is playable, if you guys in America think cyro is bad imagine playing it from an oceanic region like I do. I think there's a mod in Skyrim that lets you invite other players to your game, perhaps try that if you want solo q pvp? Just a thought.