I also agree with every thing he says

Firstmep wrote: »

There's no link to a video, no quote or anything.
You could save people 5 seconds of searching YouTube by posting a link.

Okay watched some of the video.
Can't really say if I agree with him or not, as(6 minutes in), it's mostly just a dude swearing non stop.

Maybe that is the point... that the self proclaimed king of the gameZ has nothing to say about the changes. Or that the king lost his words forever once he saw the plan for AoE.

I disagree, by virtue of me not being bothered to look up the video for which you left no link and gave no quote.

And based on the fact that most people are usually wrong, as a general rule, on the forums. Especially the PTS section.

Firstmep wrote: »

There's no link to a video, no quote or anything.
You could save people 5 seconds of searching YouTube by posting a link.

Okay watched some of the video.
Can't really say if I agree with him or not, as(6 minutes in), it's mostly just a dude swearing non stop.

Okay few things, ultimates even aoe ones, are not on the cooldown, if Mr Gamez bothered to check pts, or the list he would know.
Also a lot of single target skills have radius checks, and hence why they are putting a CD on it.
No offense, I'm 100% against these proposed aoe changes, but this video is full of misconceptions.

i couldn't post a link because of the thumbnail for the video i would get suspended or permabanned if i did put it right where zos would see but he's clarifying the fact that people are just letting these changes go through and that people aren't even fazed at the fact these changes are going through which these changes are terrible and i can't speak my mind on it because the things i say would most likely get me banned tbh........

King of Gamez isnt the most articulate content creator. Hes definitely a skilled player but that doesn't mean he has in depth knowledge about game mechanics and what's really going on. So many other content creators have done takes on this subject and they all back their claims up well, without sounding like a teenager when they speak.

I could be wrong though. I just dont feel like watching an 18 minute video about this subject cause I've heard enough about it. Plus his mic hurts my ears lol.

I will 100% agree that the changes are gonna suck tho.

The rules of what does and does not get placed on cool down are far too broad. This is a perfect example of unholistic balancing.

Zos has problem A and they have set up rules to try and resolve problem A without looking at how these changes effect B, C, D.....and will ultimately destroy the usability of entire skills, build make-ups,and classes (Templar)

This will ultimately cause further changes down the road to try and fix what they are about to break which will need further balancing.....making the testing of skills as they are now pointless as many will simply be unable to stay as they are currently designed and is setting ESO on a long path of redesign.

Or, which has happened mutliple times over the past year and a half, be forced to completely come back and revert or trash what they are attempting currently, not to mention this entire process is flying in the face of the past 6 years of ESO combat purpose and not being based around cooldown timers but instead resource management.

Their current rule set does not include any Ultimates (as Ultimates can't be spammed) thus the ball Zerg AOE meta can remain as is. The stacking of AOE ultimates is what make it so effective...not those spamming force pulse and lightning heavy attacks.

Zos, please drill down to the root of the problem.

You claim in your reasoning and write up that ESO combat was not intended to be AOE focused, but you are placing skills that are designed as spammables and focused for single target damage that happen to have splash AOE damage effects on the same cool downs of true full AOE and dot skills....which doesnt seem to make any sense.

Spamming wall of elements as you move is not the design of the skill...it is a static 10 second AOE dot...thus placing a penalty timer on someone who is using not as such, makes logical sense..and I am not against it.

Templar jabs is a class spammable, Shock Clench is an AOE spammable...they do not have dots that occur over a timer and they are designed to be used in quick succession...placing a timer on such skills makes absolutely no logical sense.

Look at how these changes will domino...and then rework the rule-set to only target skills that are being used in a way not intended.

Such as placing timers only on Instant cast AOE DOTs.

This, will narrow the field down considerably on affected skills, reinforce current game intended design, allow timers and force lower casting of intensive computation skills, and reinforce single target gameplay.

You could also simply change ALL AOEs to deal damage to everyone (Allies and Enemies) while in PVP zones ...this would create "friendly fire" deaths that subtract AP at the same rate killing enemies adds AP. While there will of course be trolls who try to bomb their own campaign...the campaign lock system will help gate enemy campaign spy bombing..if someone does choose to be a spy they will be locked into that campaign for the entire 30/7 days and lose out on all AP as their ally bombing would negate AP gained making it a loss/loss for the player..and this would completely destroy the BALL Zerg meta, as now they will kill themselves as fast as anyone they are attacking. This would strongly reinforce single target gameplay over AOE gameplay.

I can see why you couldn't post it here, op. It was worth the search though. Not a single thing he said was wrong.

Soundinfinite wrote: »

The rules of what does and does not get placed on cool down are far too broad. This is a perfect example of unholistic balancing.

Zos has problem A and they have set up rules to try and resolve problem A without looking at how these changes effect B, C, D.....and will ultimately destroy the usability of entire skills, build make-ups,and classes (Templar)

This will ultimately cause further changes down the road to try and fix what they are about to break which will need further balancing.....making the testing of skills as they are now pointless as many will simply be unable to stay as they are currently designed and is setting ESO on a long path of redesign.

Or, which has happened mutliple times over the past year and a half, be forced to completely come back and revert or trash what they are attempting currently, not to mention this entire process is flying in the face of the past 6 years of ESO combat purpose and not being based around cooldown timers but instead resource management.

Their current rule set does not include any Ultimates (as Ultimates can't be spammed) thus the ball Zerg AOE meta can remain as is. The stacking of AOE ultimates is what make it so effective...not those spamming force pulse and lightning heavy attacks.

Zos, please drill down to the root of the problem.

You claim in your reasoning and write up that ESO combat was not intended to be AOE focused, but you are placing skills that are designed as spammables and focused for single target damage that happen to have splash AOE damage effects on the same cool downs of true full AOE and dot skills....which doesnt seem to make any sense.

Spamming wall of elements as you move is not the design of the skill...it is a static 10 second AOE dot...thus placing a penalty timer on someone who is using not as such, makes logical sense..and I am not against it.

Templar jabs is a class spammable, Shock Clench is an AOE spammable...they do not have dots that occur over a timer and they are designed to be used in quick succession...placing a timer on such skills makes absolutely no logical sense.

Look at how these changes will domino...and then rework the rule-set to only target skills that are being used in a way not intended.

Such as placing timers only on Instant cast AOE DOTs.

This, will narrow the field down considerably on affected skills, reinforce current game intended design, allow timers and force lower casting of intensive computation skills, and reinforce single target gameplay.

You could also simply change ALL AOEs to deal damage to everyone (Allies and Enemies) while in PVP zones ...this would create "friendly fire" deaths that subtract AP at the same rate killing enemies adds AP. While there will of course be trolls who try to bomb their own campaign...the campaign lock system will help gate enemy campaign spy bombing..if someone does choose to be a spy they will be locked into that campaign for the entire 30/7 days and lose out on all AP as their ally bombing would negate AP gained making it a loss/loss for the player..and this would completely destroy the BALL Zerg meta, as now they will kill themselves as fast as anyone they are attacking. This would strongly reinforce single target gameplay over AOE gameplay.

Now this is the type of feedback that deserves attention. Very well laid out, and thought out. Not angry rambling by a streamer.