How about a monster set giving Major Crit and Major WD/SD buffs?

techprince · August 2020

Currently we have 5 piece armor sets having these buffs but rarely used. What if you move them in a monster set? like 1 piece providing Major Sorcery and Major Brutality and 2nd piece providing Major Savagery and Major Prophecy? Wouldnt this save alot of potions? If this seems too much, what about on a 2nd piece on different monster sets? Mighty Chudan is the same right?

To everyone saying No, aren't you getting all the buffs via potions? So why are you afraid of getting the same via a piece of armor? Its not like you are getting them for free, you are already sacrificing item slots for it. When these buffs are not attached to your rotation abilities, you use potions and empty both your item and ability slots for other useful abilities. Let others who want to sacrifice item slots, use them? This will surely help Solo PvE, PvP and Hybrid builds immensely.

Strider__Roshin · August 2020

I'm expecting the next monster set to do 20k damage when you CC someone with a cool down of 10 seconds.

Skelfish · August 2020

No

While it would be convenient, it would be way over power budget for a single monster set to have both bonuses. While it would be only "ok" for lower difficulty content like normal trials, normal dungeons, overland pve, it has the capability of being very strong for PVP where having both bonuses is harder to come by.

A more realistic scenario is having two separate monster sets with the 2 piece bonuses being a Major Crit or Major Weapon/Spell damage. That way it requires a person to also get the shoulder piece instead of just farming for the head and getting a Major type of buff.

Playboy_Shrek · August 2020

No

I prefer if monster sets were less "heres some stats!" and more proc sets. because then new content will be balanced around best parses of the highest stat sets that involve immense min maxing and it just makes the game way too hard for average dps player and its just painful to pug.

Taleof2Cities · August 2020

No

No.

MincVinyl · August 2020

No

Nah we need more proc sets my guy, I dont think there are enough. How can we have fun high skilled combat without them?

Wolfchild07 · August 2020

No

Healing was nerfed and at the same time damage was buffed with mythics. Really tired of this nonsense. Not allowed to heal or tank apparently. Everyone should be allowed to 1vX with ridiculous damage I suppose.

Ozby · August 2020

No

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Healing was nerfed and at the same time damage was buffed with mythics. Really tired of this nonsense. Not allowed to heal or tank apparently. Everyone should be allowed to 1vX with ridiculous damage I suppose.

I agree sick of this game trying to push healers and tanks out like is guildwars 2 or something.

JohnOfMarkarth · August 2020

No

Convenient but

I'd sooner accept a monster set with this written on it...

1pc: Gives Minor "I dont like High Elves" buff

2pc: Grants Major "Too Much Bees!" for 10 seconds.

Rather than that monstrosity suggested.

Tommy_The_Gun · August 2020

Skelfish wrote: »

While it would be convenient, it would be way over power budget for a single monster set to have both bonuses.

Yep, If it would only provide Savagery / Prophecy I can see thay beeing ok-ish.

Something like this :

(1 item) Adds 833 Weapon Critical, Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 item) You gain Major Savagery and Major Prophecy at all times, increasing your Weapon Critical and Spell Critical rating by 2191.

Integral1900 · August 2020

Yes

My beloved hybrid templar says YES PLEASE!! 🤩

ThePedge · August 2020

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Healing was nerfed and at the same time damage was buffed with mythics. Really tired of this nonsense. Not allowed to heal or tank apparently. Everyone should be allowed to 1vX with ridiculous damage I suppose.

If your damage has been buffed, and their healing has been nerfed... that makes them much easier to kill, especially outnumbered.

So, what are you taking about?

Celestro · August 2020

Yes

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Skelfish wrote: »

While it would be convenient, it would be way over power budget for a single monster set to have both bonuses.

Yep, If it would only provide Savagery / Prophecy I can see thay beeing ok-ish.

Something like this :

(1 item) Adds 833 Weapon Critical, Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 item) You gain Major Savagery and Major Prophecy at all times, increasing your Weapon Critical and Spell Critical rating by 2191.

Yep, Mighty Chudan basically functions as this, though its different with both Resistsnce buffs having an actual use for any spec while the suggested would largely benefit only one damage spec or hybrids. Having four buffs to one set is a no though (initially interpreted it as two buffs of each to two different monster sets) without some kiss curse factor involved, which I would rather they didnt bother with given their track record with them...

Still, I dont see the issue myself.

josiahva · August 2020

No

Considering you already have sets like Dreugh King Slaver and Rattlecage that provide those buffs at the cost of a 5-piece bonus...you are suggest a 2-piece set have as strong a buff as two 5 piece sets. I do agree we need more non-proc monster sets....but that would be an insane monster set that would probably be more OP than stranglers

Xebov · August 2020

No

techprince wrote: »

Currently we have 5 piece armor sets having these buffs but rarely used. What if you move them in a monster set? like 1 piece providing Major Sorcery and Major Brutality and 2nd piece providing Major Savagery and Major Prophecy? Wouldnt this save alot of potions?

You miss the point here a bit.
For PvE in High end content you will take potions anyways, so its not that useful there. For overland it could see some uses, but i would prefer them to fix the avaiability of the buffs. WD for example has no universal source thats not a Class skill or weapon skill line skill.
For PvP on the other hand it could be realy strong as it would allow for more specialized builds without the need of taking care of this.

martijnlv40 · August 2020

Yes

Honestly feels like a good idea, the bonuses are easily accessible with potions, so running them would give you a net loss of damage, but it’s sort of a cheap man’s set in that case. Pretty good. I would suggest not giving any other bonuses with it though, and make it not give a 1piece bonus as wel. So run both monster set pieces and get both the major buffs on the 2piece bonus.

techprince · August 2020

Yes

Xebov wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

Currently we have 5 piece armor sets having these buffs but rarely used. What if you move them in a monster set? like 1 piece providing Major Sorcery and Major Brutality and 2nd piece providing Major Savagery and Major Prophecy? Wouldnt this save alot of potions?

You miss the point here a bit.
For PvE in High end content you will take potions anyways, so its not that useful there. For overland it could see some uses, but i would prefer them to fix the avaiability of the buffs. WD for example has no universal source thats not a Class skill or weapon skill line skill.
For PvP on the other hand it could be realy strong as it would allow for more specialized builds without the need of taking care of this.

This has alot of use. Its quite clear that they dont want to give all these buffs to all the classes. Like templar or necromancer for example, doesn't have access to them via class abilities. If this wasnt enough, they moved Major Sorcery buff from the base ability Entropy to the morph Degeneration in the Mages guild skill line. They do whatever they feel like.

techprince · August 2020

Yes

josiahva wrote: »

Considering you already have sets like Dreugh King Slaver and Rattlecage that provide those buffs at the cost of a 5-piece bonus...you are suggest a 2-piece set have as strong a buff as two 5 piece sets. I do agree we need more non-proc monster sets....but that would be an insane monster set that would probably be more OP than stranglers

Only few classes doesnt have access to these buffs. These are necessary buffs. Everyone should have access to it via Class skills but that isnt the case. 5 piece investment is huge for something which is readily available to others. Ths is class discrepancy. Honestly they should give something unique. Same like that armor set that applies Life Steal to the target... like nobody has to AOE life steal right? Why in the earth would anyone want to waste 5 pieces for this?

Shadesofkin · August 2020

Yes

I'm saying yes, but not because I think it'll be great for dps characters, but rather because I wanna see everyone chase a dlc dungeon helm and then all the forum posts about the dlc dungeon being too hard for casual players to get a helm, and the golden vendor being expensive.

I like chaos.

ankeor · August 2020

No

For your edit;

If it bothered you that some people chose the option "No" why did you created a poll?
You could just created this thread as a discussion.

Do you want to know people's opinion?
Or do you seek affirmation of your own opinion?

YandereGirlfriend · August 2020

Yes

I vote "yes" as a matter of principle (and because the precedent is already there with Mighty Chudan) but not until after we have both a FROST DAMAGE and a BLEED DAMAGE (and perhaps a dedicated Shock Damage) each monster set available in the game.

Those buffs are easy enough to come by that they shouldn't jump the queue when other classes and playstyles that currently have no viable monster sets have been waiting ages for theirs.

lucky_Sage · August 2020

Yes

I would like it anything free up a slot for Magdk without giving up tri pots

idk · August 2020

No

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

No.

Pretty much this.

Maybe a set that had a chance major

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Considering you already have sets like Dreugh King Slaver and Rattlecage that provide those buffs at the cost of a 5-piece bonus...you are suggest a 2-piece set have as strong a buff as two 5 piece sets. I do agree we need more non-proc monster sets....but that would be an insane monster set that would probably be more OP than stranglers

Only few classes doesnt have access to these buffs. These are necessary buffs. Everyone should have access to it via Class skills but that isnt the case. 5 piece investment is huge for something which is readily available to others. Ths is class discrepancy. Honestly they should give something unique. Same like that armor set that applies Life Steal to the target... like nobody has to AOE life steal right? Why in the earth would anyone want to waste 5 pieces for this?

Actually, all classes have access to these buffs via different means.

Some of those means are noted in the OP. Even with the classes that have class skills that provide the buff, there are still often tradeoffs which is why most top PvE players prefer to get these buffs via the most universal manner, potions. From what I am reading here, the request is really requesting getting these buffs via an easier manner since it is being requested for a 2 pc bonus and balking at gaining even part of it from a 5pc bonus.

Considering no 5 pc bonus offers both major crit buffs and major WB/SD buffs I seriously doubt Zos will consider offering both as part of a mere 2 pc set.

ne.ga.kurai_ESO · August 2020

Yes

I would drop Balorgh for this. It would allow me to go back to DW instead of 2H and probably drop Camo Hunter.

techprince · August 2020

Yes

ankeor wrote: »

For your edit;

If it bothered you that some people chose the option "No" why did you created a poll?
You could just created this thread as a discussion.

Do you want to know people's opinion?
Or do you seek affirmation of your own opinion?

Its called asking right questions.

MashmalloMan · August 2020

No

In a vaccuum.. Sure.

In reality, no. Too many buffs on 1 set means it won't be possible, even if they're somewhat redundant since some classes have very easy access to them while others don't, I'd say the 4 buffs are valued just as much as Resolve and Chudan only provides the 1.

Do I really want a paid DLC 6 years into the games life cycle to have 1/2 sets include the most common, basic, required buffs in the game.. Not really.

There is bigger fish to fry and we only get 4 of these monster sets a year. As others mentioned, where is the Ice dps sets, bleed sets, etc. Thats what we really need.

Crow_IX · August 2020

No

the amount of "we need more proc sets" in this thread is disgusting.

Kadoin · August 2020

No

There would be no way to balance it v. the 5 piece sets in a fair way.

CleymenZero · August 2020

Skelfish wrote: »

While it would be convenient, it would be way over power budget for a single monster set to have both bonuses. While it would be only "ok" for lower difficulty content like normal trials, normal dungeons, overland pve, it has the capability of being very strong for PVP where having both bonuses is harder to come by.

A more realistic scenario is having two separate monster sets with the 2 piece bonuses being a Major Crit or Major Weapon/Spell damage. That way it requires a person to also get the shoulder piece instead of just farming for the head and getting a Major type of buff.

I don't know where I stand on this...

You say it would be over power budget but these buffs are easily accessible enough and some ways to grant them are pretty strong already.

Take Camo hunter for instance. You get major savagery and a pretty easy to proc minor berserk for 5 secs (especially if you're a NB). Now if the detection part of the active skill actually worked now that skill would be absolutely god tier. As it is, the detection part is absolutely useless and absolutely doesn't work so it's just almost OP.

You can get major prophecy AND 7% extra max mag with slotting Inner Light. The same argument for detection applies here and minor berserk >>>>>> 7% max mag any day but still decent.

Stam have easy acces to brutality in PvP and that skill comes coupled with minor endurance and a phat heal by any standard. I'll admit that the magicka version is less beneficial but it's a decent dot with 20 seconds major sorcery per cast that can be back barred or will give 2% max mag when front bar. I honestly backbar it.

So yeah, yes you'd free diff skill slots if you did have that monster helm granting both major crit + wd/SD but you sometimes don't have the GCD to cast an extra skill during a fight anyways so yeah.

I'm definitely open to seeing your point of view on how it can be overpowered though.

Darkstorne · August 2020

Yes

I voted yes, but only because I agree with the idea of putting some of the major buffs on a monster set. Maybe two at most.

ie:

1 piece: Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
2 pieces: Provides the Major Brutality and Major Sorcery buffs at all times.

1 piece: Adds 833 weapon and spell crit
2 pieces: Provides the Major Savagery and Major Prophecy buffs at all times.

I think one monster set providing all 4 buffs would be too much. But I always liked Mighty Chudan for providing a major buff at all times (Major Resolve) along with a bunch of health and armour, so I'd love to see other monster sets fill in some other buffs like this. More options are good.

Luckylancer · August 2020

Yes

Darkstorne wrote: »

I voted yes, but only because I agree with the idea of putting some of the major buffs on a monster set. Maybe two at most.

ie:

1 piece: Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
2 pieces: Provides the Major Brutality and Major Sorcery buffs at all times.

1 piece: Adds 833 weapon and spell crit
2 pieces: Provides the Major Savagery and Major Prophecy buffs at all times.

I think one monster set providing all 4 buffs would be too much. But I always liked Mighty Chudan for providing a major buff at all times (Major Resolve) along with a bunch of health and armour, so I'd love to see other monster sets fill in some other buffs like this. More options are good.

I think 100% uptime sets are boring. A set can give all these buffs with a proc and a down time. But what you suggest may be better for PvE.

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