I've been noticing a lot of new and older ESO streamers dialing back ESO streams.

Odovacar · August 2020

I don't religioulsy watch many Twitch/YT streamers but I've noticed many that primarily are known for ESO are now gravitating towards other MMO's/generes. Many like most want more variety for their viewers but imo I feel many may not like the direction ESO is/has been heading? What do you think? I also do not want to @ any of them that are on these forums out of respect to their dedication to the game, regardless.

mairwen85 · August 2020

One of my favourites has been very critical of changes wrt arena weapons and performance, and has recently announced they will be no longer playing. I think streaming only indicates a trend in what viewers want to see, nothing more; unless the streamer explicitly gives a reason, I think that’s all we can assume.

Odovacar · August 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

One of my favourites has been very critical of changes wrt arena weapons and performance, and has recently announced they will be no longer playing. I think streaming only indicates a trend in what viewers want to see, nothing more; unless the streamer explicitly gives a reason, I think that’s all we can assume.

I agree with your statement. I also think more of the successful streamers primarily play PvP which has an edge, imo, to be more captivating to an audience versus PvE outside of high end trial runs (which few do on a large scale stream wise). With all the craziness in Cyrodiil performance (no need to list out all the issues there we all know :'( ) it can compile into bitterness...I totally get it but from a non-streamer perspective.

vestahls · August 2020

I've also had the impression that for some streamers, there's been a buildup of fatigue over the difference between what the game is and what it could have been. It will be interesting to see what impact the incoming PVP balances will have.

ItsJustHashtag · August 2020

Because pvp is a pain to stream because the games performance. Battlegrounds are boring because there is no true ranking system. And the end game trials are so repetitive it’s boring to watch.

So we’re left with people chosen by ZOS to represent the game and all they do is juggle pumpkins, RP as cats, and play the game on a very beginner friendly level that isn’t engaging for a viewer.

Odovacar · August 2020

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

Because pvp is a pain to stream because the games performance. Battlegrounds are boring because there is no true ranking system. And the end game trials are so repetitive it’s boring to watch.

So we’re left with people chosen by ZOS to represent the game and all they do is juggle pumpkins, RP as cats, and play the game on a very beginner friendly level that isn’t engaging for a viewer.

I've noticed a lot of "suggested" streamers have been like you said very beginner level....That wont garner much attention from a game that's 6 years old and most of us vets will completely scroll past vFG1 entertainment.

Knightpanther · August 2020

I don't watch sales reps without Vectra's sorry Streamers, [snip]

Be Safe

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Girl_Number8 · August 2020

With the current performance in cyro it takes too much time to get a good vid together.

You’re just better off making content that’s not PvP in ESO.

Other games have a larger following and better performance. Not to mention, it is fun competitive PvP without the constant drastic changes. That’s all the incentive needed.

ESO PvP was magical once, maybe it will be again.

colossalvoids · August 2020

New wave of streamers are super beginner friendly and a pain to watch overall. Older ones are fed up with blind and deaf company so here we are.

khajiitNPC · August 2020

I’ve been watching the same streamers for a while now. Idk what you guys are talking about. The game is 6 years old — people come and go. These changes to AoE will be the same as any other change, “major” forum outrage (small percentage of the player base so not as major as people think), threats of leaving, the game is dying, ect.

Then when it’s all said and done, whatever changes were made, those who adapt will succeed as always. Smh. It is what it is.

Red_Feather · August 2020

If you have a dream of making a living streaming games then sticking to one game like ESO is not going to be good for that dream at all.

Dusk_Coven · August 2020

Probably it doesn't matter at all.
ESO Streams are too manipulated to have any credibility:

- they activate twitch drops for all ESO streams -- so streamers just hoping for more viewership and follows (ultimately to get revenue) might play the game for their own reasons
- they give out goodies for Stream Team members to give away -- same issue except obviously ZOS is trying to build a stable of steady streamers
- they give twitch drops for people watching ESO streams - so people just put it in the background and turn down the volume; or turn the stream on their smartphone while they play on their computer; they don't even watch the stream

Not specific to ESO but all streaming / potential advertising or endorsement sources -- as soon as you introduce revenue, credibility goes down and it's basically not worth your time to be manipulated by what essentially becomes advertising.
Sure, a streamer might be funny or whatever but that's not much different from a funny ad on TV -- you remember the incident and link to the product, thereby remembering the product.

Rungar · August 2020

Why would anyone watch a game they can play themselves...its so tv...

Xarraca · August 2020

ZOS should pay Asmongold 1M dollars to quit WoW and stream ESO only.
Like Spotify did with Joe Rogan.

technohic · August 2020

Successful streamers get views by personality. I mean, they have to be somewhat entertaining and engaging or why would you "watch someone play a game when you can play it yourself." I know a lot of the streamers I have watched get frustrated while playing because of direction or performance and they become a little bit different. I mean; sometimes its fun to watch a player meltdown or just kind of become relateable in having issues themselves. But its probably not good long term, nor healthy.

ItsJustHashtag · August 2020

Xarraca wrote: »

ZOS should pay Asmongold 1M dollars to quit WoW and stream ESO only.
Like Spotify did with Joe Rogan.

Asmondgold is the last thing ZOS wants streaming their game lol.

tsaescishoeshiner · August 2020

We've also had an influx of newer streamers, including one notable one who always has 5-10k viewers. Hopefully they'll start streaming endgame/PvP stuff

It sounds like the streamers people are saying have stopped streaming are PvP streamers, which would honestly be a mixed blessing. Most popular PvP streamers I've seen are really negative, salty, and varying levels of toxic. And they have been well before Greymoor/Elsweyr. Some regime change would be welcome IMO

illusiouk · August 2020

Knightpanther wrote: »

I don't watch sales reps without Vectra's sorry Streamers, [snip]

Be Safe

Rungar wrote: »

Why would anyone watch a game they can play themselves...its so tv...

100% agree.

ItsJustHashtag · August 2020

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

We've also had an influx of newer streamers, including one notable one who always has 5-10k viewers. Hopefully they'll start streaming endgame/PvP stuff

It sounds like the streamers people are saying have stopped streaming are PvP streamers, which would honestly be a mixed blessing. Most popular PvP streamers I've seen are really negative, salty, and varying levels of toxic. And they have been well before Greymoor/Elsweyr. Some regime change would be welcome IMO

ESO pvp streamers have every right to be negative and salty regarding the game.

There is maybe 1 or 2 pvp streamers who are actually good but they don’t get many views, Kiri and Time Dazzler.

There is 1-3 pve streamers who are actually really good. RNC leading the best guild on both servers for pve.

Then you have guys who are above average like Fengrush(pvp) and Alcast(pvp) who get tons of views but only because of embedding and view bots.

Then you have artificially inflated stream team members that get views because at times their the only ones with drops. If I was wanting to know how to play this game a stream team member is the last person I’d turn to.

Rex-Umbra · August 2020

Only content worth streaming is Cyrodiil and it gets less than one percent of development attention.

Madhatten512 · August 2020

Who can even blame the PvP streamers for bailing?? Its been a straight year or more of "performance" patches they have done nothing but make the performance worse. Than when they try to go play in cyrodiil through the lag they have to deal with toxic stream snipers following them everywhere they go, and ZOS refuses to do anything to protect them.. I'm not a huge fan of Summit for a few reasons that i won't get into here, but what i saw when he tried to go do cyrodiil was embarrassing as a member of this community, and the everyday ESO streamers deal with it every time they step into cyo. Kind of sad really.

Wildberryjack · August 2020

Xarraca wrote: »

ZOS should pay Asmongold 1M dollars to quit WoW and stream ESO only.
Like Spotify did with Joe Rogan.

He actually played ESO for a while on stream. The problem is for him he doesn't want to have to start over, and in WoW he has everything handed to him and he's carried through any content he wants. WoW is easy, so that's where he's going to stay.

Moloch1514 · August 2020

https://gamerant.com/summit1g-elder-scrolls-online-stop-plaing-reason/amp/

Ectheliontnacil · August 2020

Xarraca wrote: »

ZOS should pay Asmongold 1M dollars to quit WoW and stream ESO only.
Like Spotify did with Joe Rogan.

That dude tried eso like a year or two ago. I think we're better off it ZOS pays that idiot not to play their game. ^^

Saucy_Jack · August 2020

This is what I don't get: everyone keeps saying stuff like "Cyro is the only content worth streaming" or "people only want to watch PvP"...but if the grand majority of players in ESO are PvE players, then why wouldn't PvE content be more popular than PvP content?

doomette · August 2020

Madhatten512 wrote: »

Than when they try to go play in cyrodiil through the lag they have to deal with toxic stream snipers following them everywhere they go, and ZOS refuses to do anything to protect them..

I know next to nothing about streaming (truthfully I just watch for the crates, though I do find them pretty entertaining), so excuse me if this is a dumb question, but what can ZOS do to protect them? It seems like you’re painting a huge target on your back, not to mention showing people exactly where you are and what sort of skills you’re running. Not that I’m condoning it at all or blaming the streamers for jerks harassing them, it just seems like it would be hard to prevent/penalize such behavior. I guess ZOS could target those who are vocal about their trolling?

technohic · August 2020

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

This is what I don't get: everyone keeps saying stuff like "Cyro is the only content worth streaming" or "people only want to watch PvP"...but if the grand majority of players in ESO are PvE players, then why wouldn't PvE content be more popular than PvP content?

Can be answered with one word. Drama.

Not much drama listlessly fighting an NPC with memorized mechanics and rotations. I mean people that get good at it, and stream will effortlessly be able to run all content with a regular group.

Emmagoldman · August 2020

I think right now, people are backing off because of
1. Performance
2. Waiting for the next patch to drop. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to work on a build or gearing up with huge changes coming. I'm excited for all the gear changes, but I wouldn't want to gear out to change in a month.

I think for some streamers, as they are trying to make a career out of it, such as Sypherpk and Kevduit, it means expanding towards markets. If you can find a new game, and create quality content, you might just move into a center place with a massive base. Sypherpk moved from eso, to another pvp game, then fortnite. In terms of business, awesome move. Kevduit, focused on fallout 76 and has huge viewership. If either stayed in game, they would post a video with maybe 7-14k views and high end, 40k. They both went to different games and usually have 250k views and possible up to 1mil in the case of sypherpk.

Elsonso · August 2020

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Only content worth streaming is Cyrodiil and it gets less than one percent of development attention.

Part of me wonders what percentage of the players spend more than a few minutes in Cyrodiil.

The forums are very heavily PVP, but a lot of PVE people that I talk to don't even come by here. They don't seem to care what is happening on here. I actually had someone ask me why I wasted my time here.

We get a lot of different things happening in the game, a whole lot of it not PVP, and the streams do represent that.

tsaescishoeshiner · August 2020

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

We've also had an influx of newer streamers, including one notable one who always has 5-10k viewers. Hopefully they'll start streaming endgame/PvP stuff

It sounds like the streamers people are saying have stopped streaming are PvP streamers, which would honestly be a mixed blessing. Most popular PvP streamers I've seen are really negative, salty, and varying levels of toxic. And they have been well before Greymoor/Elsweyr. Some regime change would be welcome IMO

ESO pvp streamers have every right to be negative and salty regarding the game.

The salt and negativity is towards other players, not just the state of the game. Teabagging, aggressive language, complaining about how other people play, being sore losers, talking down to people. It's not every streamer and definitely not all the time, but is common in the more popular PvP streams I've dropped in on. I like to watch someone who actively and enthusiastically enjoys the game, even if they have serious critiques of it.

There's a difference between offering good, constructive critique and just reiterating the same disappointments and dev insults over and over again.

I don't know those PvP streamers you mentioned who you say are good, but if they have a better attitude, hopefully they'll become more popular! Thanks for your response, good points.

Jaimeh · August 2020

Moloch1514 wrote: »

https://gamerant.com/summit1g-elder-scrolls-online-stop-plaing-reason/amp/

Trying vMA after two weeks of playing will do that to a person

Joking aside, it's too bad that he quit the game from frustartion, because I think the frustration was born from trying to reach end-game right away. No matter how talented a player is, they'll never have a well-rounded experience or appreciation of the game (especially combat and mechanics, which are complicated in ESO) with that kind of rushing.

As for streamers dwindling, it's true some big streamers lost interest (Alcast streams a lot less than before for eg), but also, ESO is not very streamable--most people watch streamers for their personalities, and not the game itself. Not to mention that most end-gamers (on PC at least) will play in lower settings and have their screens filled with addons.