People in trial guilds need to chill.

Ozby · August 2020

add on's like raid notifier and codes are useful and help a lot, having these and the gear just makes sure everyone is on the same page a bit and end game content is about coordination and optimization. Makes everyone's life easier not sure why you would not want that personally?

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

Protossyder wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

JTD wrote: »

Cause gearing up in this game isn't hard and you can easily do it. It's not hard to optimize at a gear level, it's harder to optimize at an up-time level. Sounds like you need a casual friendly trial guild/group. It's all about expectation management.

And a dummy parse shows you can do your rotation in the most favorable circumstances to the best of your capabilities. It's a starting off point, if you can do 75k at a dummy there is a good chance you can do a good amount in an actual fight. If you can do 25k on a dummy you probably struggle in a real fight.

75k dummy parse. "Good" amount.

That kind of mentality is why a lot of players say Trial guilds need to chill. The expectations of what is considered good, or decent are through the roof and halfway to Masser. I can get my MagSorc an average parse of 30k and I've taken her through numerous vet Trials without issue.

So just because you are too lazy to get gear and learn a rotation others need to lower their requirements? That's the mentality that gets on people's nerves. And how are those expectations "through the roof" if they can be met by showing a little ambition?

Practicing rotation is one thing but getting the gear is a whole other animal entirely. I’ve done dozens of runs of nCR and nSS trying to complete any one of Siroria/Relequin and FG/Lokke. Getting the drops in the proper trait even among the group sometimes is crazy hard. Now I’ve managed a few lucky drops like Siroria/FG inferno both in horrible traits by the way, but of the body pieces I need I think I have FG sash and Siroria shoulders in divines. Those shoulders will be rendered useless by a monster set. Of course they want me to have Zaan (scalecaller vet for helm) for the best damage setup.

I also can’t tell you how many times I’ve run CoA for BSW to only have divines in head and shoulders which are also rendered moot by a monster set. And let’s not fail to mention maelstrom arena. I’m happy that the weapons drop on normal now, but I’m not happy about the inordinate amount of ice/resto staves that keep dropping. I got 4 resto staves in a row one night last week and 3 ice staves the next night.

All those hours spent farming gear could be spent working the bugs out of my rotations so it’s tough to strike a balance between the 2. My guilds vet trial group has 50K requirements. I’m on the cusp at 44K on MagDK and 42K on Stamwarden, neither with a monster set, neither with trials gear and each wearing 1 crafted and 1 overland set. Julianos/MS and Hundings/Briarheart. A maelstrom back back would literally be life changing on either of those. BSW on the MagDK plus the maelstrom and monster set will push me over for sure. Stamwarden needs more practice time, new rotation that I put in last night put me right in at 42K but I am making several I put errors and overcasting my sub assault sometimes. Tighten that up with a maelstrom now and I’m knocking on the door. Changing my main hand for nirnhoned will also help. Just have to wait another 28 days for the research.

vgabor · August 2020

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

...I’m on the cusp at 44K on MagDK and 42K on Stamwarden, neither with a monster set, neither with trials gear and each wearing 1 crafted and 1 overland set. Julianos/MS and Hundings/Briarheart.

Just a sidenote, with the Julli+MS you can use 2x 1pc crit bonus monster set pieces, doesn't matter which actual monster sets, just two with crit bonus on 1pc, icehart or slimecraw easy to get for helm. It's very close to zaan (and in some not single target ranged fight can even be better than zaan)

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

vgabor wrote: »

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

...I’m on the cusp at 44K on MagDK and 42K on Stamwarden, neither with a monster set, neither with trials gear and each wearing 1 crafted and 1 overland set. Julianos/MS and Hundings/Briarheart.

Just a sidenote, with the Julli+MS you can use 2x 1pc crit bonus monster set pieces, doesn't matter which actual monster sets, just two with crit bonus on 1pc, icehart or slimecraw easy to get for helm. It's very close to zaan (and in some not single target ranged fight can even be better than zaan)

Yup this I know. I’m gonna run the vet pledge on all my toonshere in a bit for slimecraw helms. Was disappointed that XB1 got the shaft at golden vendor last week. I’ll buy the Zaan shoulders from the chest as well. Only just getting into monster pieces as of a week ago.

SpiderKnight · August 2020

This is why I have not touched a trial (minus the two man attempt under level 50 years ago when we didn't know what they were exactly lol). Trial guilds are filled with the most arrogant, toxic people I've ever seen in a game and/or real life, not sure how people enjoy being a programmed robot taking orders from some kid.

jetplane_18 · August 2020

Why do you even want to play with those people? You should make your own guild requiring people raid without add-ons or sets instead.

daktary2001 · August 2020

Don't worry. Most of those "elitists" "players" are unable to lift their own bodyweight. So their opinion do not matter one bit.

It's a game. Play it as you see fit

ClawOfTheTwoMoons · August 2020

daktary2001 wrote: »

Don't worry. Most of those "elitists" "players" are unable to lift their own bodyweight. So their opinion do not matter one bit.

It's a game. Play it as you see fit

What are you implying with this? It's already been established that op and others like him should play as they like, and it's been established that some end game trial guilds are toxic, but not all are. My guild does end game trials and is the farthest thing from toxic. If anyones being toxic it's you right now.

idk · August 2020

If you want to run with a well organized group as a tank you will wear the gear and such they ask for. I have seen supper role players get kicked because it was more about ”I” than the team. Yes, that included a tank that refuses to wear the gear requested.

If you have an issue with that then you need to find a team that fits your playstyle. As there is nothing wrong with a raid team that has standards.

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

daktary2001 wrote: »

Don't worry. Most of those "elitists" "players" are unable to lift their own bodyweight. So their opinion do not matter one bit.

It's a game. Play it as you see fit

What are you implying with this? It's already been established that op and others like him should play as they like, and it's been established that some end game trial guilds are toxic, but not all are. My guild does end game trials and is the farthest thing from toxic. If anyones being toxic it's you right now.

It’s not that the guilds themselves are toxic it’s that generally the loudest folks In the room happen to be the most toxic one’s. Our guild recently expelled a couple members just for that reason. A superstar DPS and a superstar tank. Mostly because the two of them didn’t get along and the petty stuff between them (unrelated to content) made for a bad environment for everyone else. Of course that means we are short a great tank (dps are easy to find) so it looking now is as good a time as any to learn to tank. Acquiring the gear though, not looking forward to that.

ClawOfTheTwoMoons · August 2020

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

daktary2001 wrote: »

Don't worry. Most of those "elitists" "players" are unable to lift their own bodyweight. So their opinion do not matter one bit.

It's a game. Play it as you see fit

What are you implying with this? It's already been established that op and others like him should play as they like, and it's been established that some end game trial guilds are toxic, but not all are. My guild does end game trials and is the farthest thing from toxic. If anyones being toxic it's you right now.

It’s not that the guilds themselves are toxic it’s that generally the loudest folks In the room happen to be the most toxic one’s. Our guild recently expelled a couple members just for that reason. A superstar DPS and a superstar tank. Mostly because the two of them didn’t get along and the petty stuff between them (unrelated to content) made for a bad environment for everyone else. Of course that means we are short a great tank (dps are easy to find) so it looking now is as good a time as any to learn to tank. Acquiring the gear though, not looking forward to that.

I understand that. We've had individuals like that as well. The person I quoted seems to have a chip on their shoulder, and is making rude, sweeping generalizations about people. I thought I'd let them know that they're being rather nasty.

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

daktary2001 wrote: »

Don't worry. Most of those "elitists" "players" are unable to lift their own bodyweight. So their opinion do not matter one bit.

It's a game. Play it as you see fit

What are you implying with this? It's already been established that op and others like him should play as they like, and it's been established that some end game trial guilds are toxic, but not all are. My guild does end game trials and is the farthest thing from toxic. If anyones being toxic it's you right now.

It’s not that the guilds themselves are toxic it’s that generally the loudest folks In the room happen to be the most toxic one’s. Our guild recently expelled a couple members just for that reason. A superstar DPS and a superstar tank. Mostly because the two of them didn’t get along and the petty stuff between them (unrelated to content) made for a bad environment for everyone else. Of course that means we are short a great tank (dps are easy to find) so it looking now is as good a time as any to learn to tank. Acquiring the gear though, not looking forward to that.

I understand that. We've had individuals like that as well. The person I quoted seems to have a chip on their shoulder, and is making rude, sweeping generalizations about people. I thought I'd let them know that they're being rather nasty.

Internet forums are how some people express their superiority! 😆

It only sucks when that spills over into the game. And that’s why I don’t PvP. Toxicity. Been there done that many ages ago and don’t really want any parts of it here. Though embarrassing myself on the BGs can be a fun way to kill 15 minutes sometimes!

radiostar · August 2020

They definitely are not all toxic.

I was just running pugs in Crag like usual when I get bored and got a /w if I wanted to try at a vet HM HRC run, since I just finished a put vet HRC. I said sure, and they suggested a monster set and a couple other "selfish" sets (I always wear Yolna/Ebon/LW). And the team lead also ran me around the room about where to stand, drag the boss, etc, and set a date to come back online and run it.

We ran it, completed it, and they were really nice saying it was pretty good for a first shot. So no, not all the trial guilds are toxic, but they are time demanding. So choose the one you want to train with carefully, like in the time zone you want or if they have helpful suggestions.

But I would still rather have AF allow pug Trials, for farming and training.

amm7sb14_ESO · August 2020

idk wrote: »

If you want to run with a well organized group as a tank you will wear the gear and such they ask for. I have seen supper role players get kicked because it was more about ”I” than the team. Yes, that included a tank that refuses to wear the gear requested.

If you have an issue with that then you need to find a team that fits your playstyle. As there is nothing wrong with a raid team that has standards.

No, there isn't, but there is something wrong with implying that *only* raid groups that dictate gear to the tanks have standards...

Xebov · August 2020

SpiderKnight wrote: »

Trial guilds are filled with the most arrogant, toxic people I've ever seen in a game and/or real life, not sure how people enjoy being a programmed robot taking orders from some kid.

Trial guilds are filled with ppl that have the same goal. Sure some are arrogant, but the majority is normal. The "kid" as you name it has the worst job. He has to explain and coordinate 12 players. That requires some disciplin and orders. Otehrwise it wouldnt work. If you share the goal you follow this, if you dont you dont join these guilds. Its a simple thing.

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

Of course that means we are short a great tank (dps are easy to find)

Thats strange. I always got told that every trial guild has enought tanks and tehy only need good dps (as good ones are rare) and healers.

ralphylauren · August 2020

Elwendryll wrote: »

We have a main tank playing without add-ons and a controller. I have to remind myself of that every time.
Just set the expectations straight before joining. There is nothing wrong or toxic about having this kind of requirements, just make sure everyone is on the same page before joining.

This is why I respect my fellow console players achievements wayyyyy more than the same achievements done on PC

CyberSkooma · August 2020

ArchMikem wrote: »

JTD wrote: »

Cause gearing up in this game isn't hard and you can easily do it. It's not hard to optimize at a gear level, it's harder to optimize at an up-time level. Sounds like you need a casual friendly trial guild/group. It's all about expectation management.

And a dummy parse shows you can do your rotation in the most favorable circumstances to the best of your capabilities. It's a starting off point, if you can do 75k at a dummy there is a good chance you can do a good amount in an actual fight. If you can do 25k on a dummy you probably struggle in a real fight.

75k dummy parse. "Good" amount.

That kind of mentality is why a lot of players say Trial guilds need to chill. The expectations of what is considered good, or decent are through the roof and halfway to Masser. I can get my MagSorc an average parse of 30k and I've taken her through numerous vet Trials without issue.

He's talking about 75k on the 21m raid dummies. Not the unbuffed 3 and 6 mil dummies.

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

Our trials groups are separated for good reason. I get why they want certain sets for tank/heals and minimum DPS parse for DDs. They would rather those go as smoothly as possible.

We also run normal trials almost daily, big boy/girl stuff is reserved for the weekends and usually a couple normals after that for those still up during the wee hours.

Anyway Friday sometime after midnight we did one of those quick pick up trails in chat nCR. Easy and quick enough. We had 4 DPS that never did it before and they were asking about +2. Our main tank was off tanking this one and stayed silent as we wiped 3x in a row on barswap boss. He wanted to see how the new guys were doing and it wasn’t going well. We ended up with a few headless chickens running around plus people missing the bar swap because they just didn’t understand it. Throw in the usual glitching of nCR and it was a resume for disaster.

After 3 fails the regular main tank explains the mechanic, takes over as main and send the other guy to off tank and we rolled through it no problem. Group DPS was too low though so we ended up liking all the mini bosses and doing straight nCR to get the new players used to mechanics.

That’s what it’s all about, aim high but be prepared to fail and when you do fail follow the instructions and adjust. nCR is a great tool to check where your players are.

Xologamer · August 2020

LuxLunae wrote: »

Wow I am CP 810+ and I still havent done a vANYTRIAL.

I was in one then they told me to parse a dummy. I ran. I am not about to parse a dummy. That isnt real world anyways.

wtf this is completly normal to atleast know how much dmg the group has EVERYONE knows that no one will get exact numbers in trials of of movement etc but if u are litterly scared of atleast testing ur dmg and u should stay away from any vet content ( v trials and dlc vet inis)

Xologamer · August 2020

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I was literally bullied from like 2 trial guilds that i got invited to because I didn't want to specifically use the items they wanted or codes/notifier, am not sure why is it a requirement. why are average guilds expecting people to gear up and get ready like they are beating world records and speedrun records?. like, can we chill for a moment here. I cleared vSS as MT a while ago at cp 390 and I had to pretend I had notifier to get in and people said I did pretty good. and it was a pug lol.

the 2 addons are pretty common cause the give u important messages for sure u can play without but atleast when u are new to a raid (or dieing to much) u should use it

than the point with the gear it is also pretty commen to play some special healer and tank sets for better support for sure no one should force u to wear xyz but atleast u should have like 4-5 BASIC tank sets

Xologamer · August 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Sorry, don't want to be rude but this sounds to me like "I want to clear content but don't want to do anything for it".

Does it? Read carefully. The OP can clear content just fine without handicap addons or even being CP cap and meta gear.
If he's failing at the trial mechanics, then sure maybe he could take a hint and try Raid Notifier or get a gear upgrade. But if someone is good enough that they don't need a crutch, why force them?
This conversation wouldn't even be a thing on Console where you can't even get a handicap addon.

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I cleared vSS as MT a while ago at cp 390 and I had to pretend I had notifier to get in and people said I did pretty good. and it was a pug lol.

so cause we dont know op setup lets just assume for a moment that the tank was using 2 ego sets like pleage doctor and fortifed bress and of caurse it would be totaly ok to say something like use some support sets because this is what tanks and healers rly are more supporter than anythink else

Xologamer · August 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Sorry, don't want to be rude but this sounds to me like "I want to clear content but don't want to do anything for it".

Is it really that hard to slap 2 sets on your character and download an addon that is literally a download-run type addon with no settings (looking at CCA)? That's pretty low price for being allowed in high-end content, don't you think?

Not everyone wants to play with third party combat addons.

Not everyone wants to play with third party addons, period, but given they are pretty much compulsory, due to huge holes in the rest of the game design, we have virtually no choice.

However, we can still play without combat addons, so some people will want to try.

It's kind of depressing that wanting play without addons is frowned upon in these games.

The game should give you everything you need and if it doesn't, you should complain to ZOS.

Not talk as though downloading addons is, somehow, part of the same process as gearing up and so, players are being remiss, or lazy, if they don't do so.

its totaly ok to play without this addons litterly NO ONE will ever say a word IF u performe the same like a person using it and IF u are underperforming against this person it is totaly fine to ask u friendly to download the addons to improve ur skill

Jem_Kindheart · August 2020

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I was literally bullied from like 2 trial guilds that i got invited to because I didn't want to specifically use the items they wanted or codes/notifier, am not sure why is it a requirement. why are average guilds expecting people to gear up and get ready like they are beating world records and speedrun records?. like, can we chill for a moment here. I cleared vSS as MT a while ago at cp 390 and I had to pretend I had notifier to get in and people said I did pretty good. and it was a pug lol.

This topic again lol. Here's the thing when progressing vet Trials: it's about team. For the team to collectively have the best chances at success together then all the members of the team need to do several things:
+ Pull their own weight as best they can
+ Use sets, foods, potions, addons, that help them and the TEAM
+ Be willing to adjust as the raid leader asks of them

When everyone/someone wants to 'do their own thing' and be a special snow flake, then the whole thing falls apart. If the other 11 members of the team have worked hard, gotten themselves together, got the warning addons, etc and their runs keep getting ruined because Jimmy Specialbunny won't cooperate, that's just not fair to them.

Of course it can feel stifling, and frustrating haha (I guess... I never found being asked to cooperate to be stifling or frustrating,, but then again I always did team sports and then military and then managerial jobs) but it's called teamwork for a reason. Raid Notifier is really the bare minimum lol, it will dramatically improve your ESO trial/dungeon success. As will Code's Combat Alerts and Hodor's Reflexes.

Even the most chilled and relaxed (and FUN) trial guild I was in required people to use the basic addons mentioned to run with their Vet progression teams.

It's not too much to ask for someone to spend the 5 minutes needed to download and set up the addons. After years of raiding, I've noticed this come up regularly. At least once a month. I've realized that it's not a matter of laziness since it takes zero effort to get the addons, it isn't lack of being informed about them, obviously it isn't because they wouldn't like to be successful. It comes down to pure spite. "I'm not getting these addons / sets / potions / etc because I'm special and nobody tells me what to do!!! *stomps feet* " That's just not gonna cut it in a progression team lol.

Chuck_Finley · August 2020

I haven't done Vet trials in ESO but I spent a fair amount of time doing Mythic Raiding in WoW. The hardest content can be fun and challenging. Taking a long time to learn the fights, work as a team and succeed after so many wipes feels great.

But you know what doesn't feel great? Wiping for 3 hours because 3 people shouldn't be there. They aren't performing well and when the raid is designed to be hard for an exact number of people, doing an exact amount of damage or healing with some people needing to bring a new main class to a fresh raid for the utility not necessarily because that's the class they want to bring, with very little room for error and having just 3 people not pull their weight wastes everyone's time and after 3 hours no one feels great. And everyone knows not everyone should be in that raid.

Hardest content is supposed to be hard and when you decide you want to do the hardest content you need to commit yourself to whats best for the team as a whole, not just winging it and hoping for the best.

Now normal trials are so easy I see no trouble running them in random pugs from zone and having fun. That's a good time for everyone. You want to see the trail and have fun, run a normal pick up group on the evenings and weekends. Not a thing wrong with casual play to relax

But if 70% of the people did the farming, did the crafting to upgrade their gear, committed to running a build that benefits the group, not solo play and took weeks if not months prepping their end game vet trial character only to have the other 30% of the team not try because they are too stuck up to put in effort into a video game one of 2 things will end up happening when your team wipes and wipes and wipes on content. The 70% will all leave to find trial guilds that want to work as a team, or they will kick the 30% for not trying in the first place.

ccfeeling · August 2020

That's why I don't join any progression guild , I am more focus on 4 man contents and PVP that I could play more flexible , the main reason I pick this game .

I know what to do , what don't in the trials , if you tell me where I stand , what sets I have to run , what skills I have to slot , not my cup of tea .

StamPlar_1976 · August 2020

Jem_Kindheart wrote: »

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I was literally bullied from like 2 trial guilds that i got invited to because I didn't want to specifically use the items they wanted or codes/notifier, am not sure why is it a requirement. why are average guilds expecting people to gear up and get ready like they are beating world records and speedrun records?. like, can we chill for a moment here. I cleared vSS as MT a while ago at cp 390 and I had to pretend I had notifier to get in and people said I did pretty good. and it was a pug lol.

This topic again lol. Here's the thing when progressing vet Trials: it's about team. For the team to collectively have the best chances at success together then all the members of the team need to do several things:
+ Pull their own weight as best they can
+ Use sets, foods, potions, addons, that help them and the TEAM
+ Be willing to adjust as the raid leader asks of them

When everyone/someone wants to 'do their own thing' and be a special snow flake, then the whole thing falls apart. If the other 11 members of the team have worked hard, gotten themselves together, got the warning addons, etc and their runs keep getting ruined because Jimmy Specialbunny won't cooperate, that's just not fair to them.

Of course it can feel stifling, and frustrating haha (I guess... I never found being asked to cooperate to be stifling or frustrating,, but then again I always did team sports and then military and then managerial jobs) but it's called teamwork for a reason. Raid Notifier is really the bare minimum lol, it will dramatically improve your ESO trial/dungeon success. As will Code's Combat Alerts and Hodor's Reflexes.

Even the most chilled and relaxed (and FUN) trial guild I was in required people to use the basic addons mentioned to run with their Vet progression teams.

It's not too much to ask for someone to spend the 5 minutes needed to download and set up the addons. After years of raiding, I've noticed this come up regularly. At least once a month. I've realized that it's not a matter of laziness since it takes zero effort to get the addons, it isn't lack of being informed about them, obviously it isn't because they wouldn't like to be successful. It comes down to pure spite. "I'm not getting these addons / sets / potions / etc because I'm special and nobody tells me what to do!!! *stomps feet* " That's just not gonna cut it in a progression team lol.

/thread. Nothing else needs to be said.

idk · August 2020

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

If you want to run with a well organized group as a tank you will wear the gear and such they ask for. I have seen supper role players get kicked because it was more about ”I” than the team. Yes, that included a tank that refuses to wear the gear requested.

If you have an issue with that then you need to find a team that fits your playstyle. As there is nothing wrong with a raid team that has standards.

No, there isn't, but there is something wrong with implying that *only* raid groups that dictate gear to the tanks have standards...

I think you may have read more into it than was stated. OP is complaining about the standards two teams had that he did not want to conform to so my comment was extremely appropriate.

If someone does not want to do things the way their raid team wants them to and the team is pretty firm on the issue that player needs to find another team that fits their playstyle. It is the prerogative, and responsibility, of the raid leader/guild leader to set the standards for the team/guild. A good team, regardless of the play level, will have goals and the standards are needed for them to meet the goals.

Seminolegirl1992 · August 2020

code65536 wrote: »

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I didn't want to specifically use the items they wanted

Trials are a team sport. It's not about you. It's about you and 11 other people. And for supports--tanks and healers--are expected to, well, support the group. Sure, supporting the group isn't the the primary job of a tank (that's to hold aggro and not die), but it is an important secondary job, and refusing to run a certain skill or wear a certain support set is tantamount to you saying that you don't want to do your job.

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

codes/notifier, am not sure why is it a requirement.

That should never be a requirement. Addons like that are assistive, and shouldn't be required (particularly in Sunspire for a tank). And as others have pointed out, there's no way to enforce such a requirement. Just say that you're using it--there's no way for anyone to know. That said, doing mechanics properly is a requirement. And if someone reacts too slowly or outright misses a cue, then they're holding back 11 other people.

In an organized trial, players need to ask, "Am I being disrespectful to the time of 11 other people by not being a team player?"

100% this.

ArchMikem · August 2020

Protossyder wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

JTD wrote: »

Cause gearing up in this game isn't hard and you can easily do it. It's not hard to optimize at a gear level, it's harder to optimize at an up-time level. Sounds like you need a casual friendly trial guild/group. It's all about expectation management.

And a dummy parse shows you can do your rotation in the most favorable circumstances to the best of your capabilities. It's a starting off point, if you can do 75k at a dummy there is a good chance you can do a good amount in an actual fight. If you can do 25k on a dummy you probably struggle in a real fight.

75k dummy parse. "Good" amount.

That kind of mentality is why a lot of players say Trial guilds need to chill. The expectations of what is considered good, or decent are through the roof and halfway to Masser. I can get my MagSorc an average parse of 30k and I've taken her through numerous vet Trials without issue.

So just because you are too lazy to get gear and learn a rotation others need to lower their requirements? That's the mentality that gets on people's nerves. And how are those expectations "through the roof" if they can be met by showing a little ambition?

You just made an assumption I don't acquire gear nor practice rotations. None of that was mentioned at all in my comment, and at the same time continuing the idea that a 75k parse is achievable via just "a little ambition". I could make a few remarks about that though none are polite. It takes more than just "a little" to get a number that high.

Seminolegirl1992 · August 2020

SpiderKnight wrote: »

This is why I have not touched a trial (minus the two man attempt under level 50 years ago when we didn't know what they were exactly lol). Trial guilds are filled with the most arrogant, toxic people I've ever seen in a game and/or real life, not sure how people enjoy being a programmed robot taking orders from some kid.

Couldn't disagree more. I specifically joined the current trial guild I'm in for their complete lack of toxicity. The guild is run by a mature married woman. Most of the officers and raid leads are also older adults. Haven't come across any children. We run end game acheivement-focused trials, vet teaching trials, normal trials, you name it. Having requirements is part of being on a team. Wouldn't make assumptions about an entire community of people.