Personally, I prefer the idea of taking Minor Maim off of Shade and putting it on Mass Hysteria, then adding 10% mitigation to Shade — but as far as Veiled Strike, (VS) I think it should remain in the Shadow tree for the reason below.

Due to the way other skills in the NB toolkit are treated, I'm fairly certain that VS was placed there in the first place specifically so NBs are rewarded with mitigation for being aggressive. For light & medium armor wearers, Shadow Barrier can be difficult to keep up sometimes— moving VS would make it even more difficult.

Don't get me wrong, when I first looked at the skill trees moving VS to Assassination and Blur to Shadow was one of the first things that popped into my head — but after thinking about it I realized that it would be a huge nerf for anyone using Concealed Weapon/Surprise Attack as their spammable.

Based on what I've learned about how NB skills used to work, it seems like the previous combat team had a very interesting and unique vision for the way they wanted NB skills to interrelate with each other. I think a big part of the reason NB is in such a bad place right now is because the current combat team didn't bother to take the time to understand why the NB toolkit was put together the way that it was, which is unfortunate.

I think concealed weapon should straight up be in the first tree. and that the Mark Target skill should be entirely removed. or replaced because its one of the worst skills in the game. theres no spammable in the main tree. and that sucks because its the only damage tree for stamina,

imo, make power extraction give everyone in the radius the buffs so its a bit like DK. and then give nightblade maybe not as much damage mitigation. but like 8% damage mitigation somewhere.

ok heres an idea. make the minor protection give it for 20 seconds duration. but, for the duration of the cloak. that is doubled to 16% .

Langeston wrote: »

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I think concealed weapon should straight up be in the first tree. and that the Mark Target skill should be entirely removed. or replaced because its one of the worst skills in the game. theres no spammable in the main tree. and that sucks because its the only damage tree for stamina,

imo, make power extraction give everyone in the radius the buffs so its a bit like DK. and then give nightblade maybe not as much damage mitigation. but like 8% damage mitigation somewhere.

ok heres an idea. make the minor protection give it for 20 seconds duration. but, for the duration of the cloak. that is doubled to 16% .

Why does it matter to you if there's no stamina spammable in the Assassination tree? There's no mag spammable there either but that's a good thing because if Swallow Swallow was there instead of the Siphoning tree we'd lose 8% magicka, ultimate regen, and 3% healing while only gaining 2% crit rate in return — which is the only benefit you'd get from moving Surprise Attack to the Assassination tree. Is 2% crit worth losing Major Resolve and 3% health? Personally I think that's a terrible trade-off.

yes but magblade has swallow soul. stamblade has nothing. tbf surprise attack is not a good spammble due to being in the shadow tree. zero usefulness.

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I think concealed weapon should straight up be in the first tree. and that the Mark Target skill should be entirely removed. or replaced because its one of the worst skills in the game. theres no spammable in the main tree. and that sucks because its the only damage tree for stamina,

imo, make power extraction give everyone in the radius the buffs so its a bit like DK. and then give nightblade maybe not as much damage mitigation. but like 8% damage mitigation somewhere.

ok heres an idea. make the minor protection give it for 20 seconds duration. but, for the duration of the cloak. that is doubled to 16% .

Why does it matter to you if there's no stamina spammable in the Assassination tree? There's no mag spammable there either but that's a good thing because if Swallow Swallow was there instead of the Siphoning tree we'd lose 8% magicka, ultimate regen, and 3% healing while only gaining 2% crit rate in return — which is the only benefit you'd get from moving Surprise Attack to the Assassination tree. Is 2% crit worth losing Major Resolve and 3% health? Personally I think that's a terrible trade-off.

yes but magblade has swallow soul. stamblade has nothing. tbf surprise attack is not a good spammble due to being in the shadow tree. zero usefulness.

And if it was in the Assassination tree, it still wouldn't become better just for 2% crit. Not with those defensive bonuses, I surely wouldn't want that switch made. And if you opt for another spammable outside of Surprise Attack, then you no longer have even those defensive passives on demand.

Isn't this thread about tank buffs? Why would a tank want to trade major resolve and max health for crit chance?

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the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

I think concealed weapon should straight up be in the first tree. and that the Mark Target skill should be entirely removed. or replaced because its one of the worst skills in the game. theres no spammable in the main tree. and that sucks because its the only damage tree for stamina,

imo, make power extraction give everyone in the radius the buffs so its a bit like DK. and then give nightblade maybe not as much damage mitigation. but like 8% damage mitigation somewhere.

ok heres an idea. make the minor protection give it for 20 seconds duration. but, for the duration of the cloak. that is doubled to 16% .

Why does it matter to you if there's no stamina spammable in the Assassination tree? There's no mag spammable there either but that's a good thing because if Swallow Swallow was there instead of the Siphoning tree we'd lose 8% magicka, ultimate regen, and 3% healing while only gaining 2% crit rate in return — which is the only benefit you'd get from moving Surprise Attack to the Assassination tree. Is 2% crit worth losing Major Resolve and 3% health? Personally I think that's a terrible trade-off.

yes but magblade has swallow soul. stamblade has nothing. tbf surprise attack is not a good spammble due to being in the shadow tree. zero usefulness.

I think Langston's point is that Surprise Attack currently provides significantly more passive benefits being in the Shadow tree than it would in the Assasination tree.

to be frank unless your playing solo that doesn't matter. nobody cares about defensive skills in trials/dungeons or group play. your healers/tanks job is to keep you alive. as long as you meet the bare minimum requirement to survive and do damage thats all that matters

otherwise people wouldn't be running 100% dps greed sets

You: "can we please get a NB tank mitigation buff somewhere ... concealed weapon should straight up be in the first tree."

Me: "I agree with the first part, but you'll lose tankiness if you put SA in the Assassination tree."

You: "nobody cares about defensive skills in trials/dungeons or group play"

Me: I'm just gonna see myself out.



PS: PVP players care about losing Major Resolve.

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

PS: PVP players care about losing Major Resolve.

nobody cares about pvp besides a few dozen people on this forum. its unplayable because the lag on pvp is atrocious and so is hit detection

Nobody cares about PVE besides a few dozen people on this forum. It's boring AF because you fight the exact same fights over and over.

See, I can make completely unfounded & false claims too.

The funny thing about this thread is that I'm a magblade main (formerly stamblade) and I really want to see NB get buffed — so we're on the same team. The only difference is that I've actually put thought into what would make sense and would be beneficial for everyone that plays the class, not just me. Otherwise, I'd be asking to have Swallow Soul put into the Shadow tree.