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OK, this is a weird freaking glitch.
EramTheLiar
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After putting Eram through his paces and finishing Cadwell's Gold I decided to create a new character to do Elseweyr. I created a character, chose the Covenant as faction, and went through Elseweyr. Elseweyr was really fun, btw.
Upon completion, I wasn't sure how the main story was going to start, but I took a caravan back to Wayrest where I immediately ran into the robed Daedric woman, so cool, I think, the main story will start. Except that in the middle of the conversation real-life things happened, so I had to leave the conversation and log off the game. Fine, no big deal, I'd just log back later and pick up where I left off.
Well... no. When I logged back on, the daedric woman was gone, and my quest marker for that conversation led me on a merry chase that took me all the way to friggin' STONEFALLS (thank you wayshrines) and I found the robed daedric woman there, got myself assassinated, and I went through the tutorial where I was somehow strangely ignorant of having already met Cadwell in Elseweyr, but I figure Mr. Cleese's time is valuable and they weren't able to record new dialog.
Anyway. I finish the Coldharbor intro (I honestly would have skipped it but I wanted to see if there was new Cadwell dialog) jumped through the portal back into Nirn, and my Covenant character fell into...
Bleakrock Isle?
Yep. He's Ebonheart Pact now. Dunno what happened but I guess whatever city you talk to robed daedric woman rebrands you to that city's faction.
Hmph. Shor's Bones, it's my least favorite storyline of the three.
Upon completion, I wasn't sure how the main story was going to start, but I took a caravan back to Wayrest where I immediately ran into the robed Daedric woman, so cool, I think, the main story will start. Except that in the middle of the conversation real-life things happened, so I had to leave the conversation and log off the game. Fine, no big deal, I'd just log back later and pick up where I left off.
Well... no. When I logged back on, the daedric woman was gone, and my quest marker for that conversation led me on a merry chase that took me all the way to friggin' STONEFALLS (thank you wayshrines) and I found the robed daedric woman there, got myself assassinated, and I went through the tutorial where I was somehow strangely ignorant of having already met Cadwell in Elseweyr, but I figure Mr. Cleese's time is valuable and they weren't able to record new dialog.
Anyway. I finish the Coldharbor intro (I honestly would have skipped it but I wanted to see if there was new Cadwell dialog) jumped through the portal back into Nirn, and my Covenant character fell into...
Bleakrock Isle?
Yep. He's Ebonheart Pact now. Dunno what happened but I guess whatever city you talk to robed daedric woman rebrands you to that city's faction.
Hmph. Shor's Bones, it's my least favorite storyline of the three.
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✭✭✭✭✭First of all, the woman who gets you killed isn't in Wayrest, she's in Daggerfall, so that's probably why you couldn't find her again to start the Main Quest over again.
Second-- it sounds like your character's starter zone doesn't have anything to do with their alliance per se, but is based upon which city/zone/alliance you start the Main Quest in. That's... kind of awesome, I guess. I might have to try it with one of my alts to see if it works that way.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
EramTheLiar✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »First of all, the woman who gets you killed isn't in Wayrest, she's in Daggerfall, so that's probably why you couldn't find her again to start the Main Quest over again.
The lady approached me right after I got off the caravan, which was at the Wayrest docks in Stormhaven. I guess it's just a temporary thing triggered by the caravan journey, which is why she disappeared when I logged out and back in again.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't know. But it seems cool that you can start the Main Quest within any alliance you want. If that's correct-- I haven't tried it yet to verify-- then it must be a natural side effect of the One Tamriel changes, although I've never seen it mentioned. Your character's alliance is presumably still DC, despite beginning the Main Quest with the EP alliance questline. There's no real advantage or disadvantage to starting out with a particular alliance's questline, other than (1) which zone you'll access the Harborage in, and (2) which zone you'll presumably join the Fighters Guild and Mages Guild in, which will presumably impact which Fighters Guild location will connect to the Earth Forge and which Mages Guild locations will connect to Eyevea.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
The_Drop_Bear✭✭✭The reason why cadwell doesn't recognize you from elswyer is because elswyer takes place after the main quest, regardless or not of whether you play it that way or not. Abnar is unable to be in elswyer before completing the main quest, as he has been trapped in coldharbour for several years until you meet him. And then performing the ritual with the amulet of kings is what drained him and made his weaker in elswyer2
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✭✭✭✭✭I've picked up the quest on the "wrong" alliance a couple of times. Didn't functionally change the character's alliance though, my DC girl was still DC, and my AD guy was still AD.0 -
EramTheLiar✭✭✭✭The_Drop_Bear wrote: »The reason why cadwell doesn't recognize you from elswyer is because elswyer takes place after the main quest, regardless or not of whether you play it that way or not. Abnar is unable to be in elswyer before completing the main quest, as he has been trapped in coldharbour for several years until you meet him. And then performing the ritual with the amulet of kings is what drained him and made his weaker in elswyer
Then... why is it the first place you get dumped with a new character??? (I mean, if you haven't bought Greymoor, which I hadn't, because I wanted to do a new character runthrough first). That makes zero sense. Why not just set it up like Wrothgar, where you always talk to an ambassador to get to the new zone?0 -
EramTheLiar✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »I've picked up the quest on the "wrong" alliance a couple of times. Didn't functionally change the character's alliance though, my DC girl was still DC, and my AD guy was still AD.
Hmmm. I know that when I did Morrowind I got the quest right in that zone (for another character) and then got dumped in the right alliance afterward. I wonder if the thing that broke it was starting the conversation with the daedric lady, then breaking it off and logging out before starting the "OK, I'll talk to your boss" part.
Something happened. It was weird.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I will say that my answer to pretty much any confusion of timelines is:
Dragonbreak.
Why does Darien recall "me" as both genders and all races?
Why do most of the people in the world never seem to notice that I use wayshrines as transportation?
Although the weird non-alliance glitch... well that's even weirder....Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
EramTheLiar✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I will say that my answer to pretty much any confusion of timelines is:
Dragonbreak.
Why does Darien recall "me" as both genders and all races?
Why do most of the people in the world never seem to notice that I use wayshrines as transportation?
Although the weird non-alliance glitch... well that's even weirder....
I think the Dragonbreak is an awesome explanation in general, but I still want my individual character storyline to have a little more internal consistency than that! :-)0 -
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Yes, think its an undocumented feature, you can do main quest in another faction than the PvP one on an alt just for new quests.SeaGtGruff wrote: »First of all, the woman who gets you killed isn't in Wayrest, she's in Daggerfall, so that's probably why you couldn't find her again to start the Main Quest over again.
Second-- it sounds like your character's starter zone doesn't have anything to do with their alliance per se, but is based upon which city/zone/alliance you start the Main Quest in. That's... kind of awesome, I guess. I might have to try it with one of my alts to see if it works that way.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
The_Drop_Bear✭✭✭EramTheLiar wrote: »The_Drop_Bear wrote: »The reason why cadwell doesn't recognize you from elswyer is because elswyer takes place after the main quest, regardless or not of whether you play it that way or not. Abnar is unable to be in elswyer before completing the main quest, as he has been trapped in coldharbour for several years until you meet him. And then performing the ritual with the amulet of kings is what drained him and made his weaker in elswyer
Then... why is it the first place you get dumped with a new character??? (I mean, if you haven't bought Greymoor, which I hadn't, because I wanted to do a new character runthrough first). That makes zero sense. Why not just set it up like Wrothgar, where you always talk to an ambassador to get to the new zone?
Because they want new players to to start directly in the zone, story be dammed.
Be lore wise Abnar can't be in elswyer until after the end of the main story.0 -
EramTheLiar✭✭✭✭The_Drop_Bear wrote: »Because they want new players to to start directly in the zone, story be dammed.
Be lore wise Abnar can't be in elswyer until after the end of the main story.
Well, you can fiddle with it a bit simply by not specifying how long your character is in Coldharbor before he wakes up. Having your soul ripped out of your body is a traumatic process that can lead to hair loss, pallid skin, psijic bleeding, and quite possibly Extended Semiconscious Stupor that lasts from one to two plot arcs. ;-)
Tharn is still a part of the empire after the Summer Of Sure I'll Trust That Necromancer, What Could Possibly Go Wrong, and there's a period of time before he's told to count soul gems that he has some freedom. It _could_ work out, if they just tweaked a few things.
It's a fun story regardless.Edited by EramTheLiar on July 26, 2020 9:52PM1 -
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No, it can't work, because the story of Elsweyr features not just Abnur Tharn, but Sai Sahan too (and those two can work together only after main quest done).EramTheLiar wrote: »It _could_ work out, if they just tweaked a few things.The Three Storm Sharks, episode 8 released on january the 8th.
One mer to rule them all,
one mer to find them,
One mer to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.1 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭Wrong post lmao!Edited by InaMoonlight on July 27, 2020 12:23PMEdit = Typos ... as usual. <;D0 -
Alamakot✭✭✭Hooded Figure (quest Giver) appears anywhere near you in very first city you're visiting at the base game zones. Doe's not matter how you travelled (by boat, tp to guildie or tp to own house anywhere. She's pointing player to "Benefactor" - in my case (all toons are DC) to Daggerfall, sometimes to house near Daggerfall City gate, sometimes to ship at Daggerfall Docks.
I agree, it's messy and timewasting - first time she pointed me to ship I've spend about 20 minutes jumping from zone to zone, as Benefactor is located at ship which is also traveling to Aldmeri Dominion, quest marker is not viable in this case.1 -
The_Drop_Bear✭✭✭EramTheLiar wrote: »The_Drop_Bear wrote: »Because they want new players to to start directly in the zone, story be dammed.
Be lore wise Abnar can't be in elswyer until after the end of the main story.
Well, you can fiddle with it a bit simply by not specifying how long your character is in Coldharbor before he wakes up. Having your soul ripped out of your body is a traumatic process that can lead to hair loss, pallid skin, psijic bleeding, and quite possibly Extended Semiconscious Stupor that lasts from one to two plot arcs. ;-)
Tharn is still a part of the empire after the Summer Of Sure I'll Trust That Necromancer, What Could Possibly Go Wrong, and there's a period of time before he's told to count soul gems that he has some freedom. It _could_ work out, if they just tweaked a few things.
It's a fun story regardless.
Not really as many of the characters require the main story to have happened first.
Also the fact that our character comes back to live requires at least the original prologue0 -
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I tried trolling this hard with Elsweyr but it did not work, if you had the Elsweyr prologe quest on your quest list the main quest did not progress so my plan of having two Tharn's in Wormroot Depths failed, I also had an Bolgrul daily for it too and the delve quest.The_Drop_Bear wrote: »EramTheLiar wrote: »The_Drop_Bear wrote: »The reason why cadwell doesn't recognize you from elswyer is because elswyer takes place after the main quest, regardless or not of whether you play it that way or not. Abnar is unable to be in elswyer before completing the main quest, as he has been trapped in coldharbour for several years until you meet him. And then performing the ritual with the amulet of kings is what drained him and made his weaker in elswyer
Then... why is it the first place you get dumped with a new character??? (I mean, if you haven't bought Greymoor, which I hadn't, because I wanted to do a new character runthrough first). That makes zero sense. Why not just set it up like Wrothgar, where you always talk to an ambassador to get to the new zone?
Because they want new players to to start directly in the zone, story be dammed.
Be lore wise Abnar can't be in elswyer until after the end of the main story.
Still it was an letdown
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
