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How do you use Vampire skill Sated Fury and live?
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Nova_J✭✭✭✭No need to bet, it's a foregone conclusion, once snipers, 2H, bombers, and all the other ways to unload burst in Pvp are incorporated into builds, there will be nerf calls due to the 930 dmg toggle, and as a matter of fact and not opinion, it's 930 damage, not 600.
Sir um.... think you got a typo in your post. Its 630, not 930.
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Blood+Frenzy
With the 300 damage buff from the vamp passives plus the 600 from blood frenzy its 900. But only for 3 seconds lol.1 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No need to bet, it's a foregone conclusion, once snipers, 2H, bombers, and all the other ways to unload burst in Pvp are incorporated into builds, there will be nerf calls due to the 930 dmg toggle, and as a matter of fact and not opinion, it's 930 damage, not 600.
Sir um.... think you got a typo in your post. Its 630, not 930.
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Blood+Frenzy
With the 300 damage buff from the vamp passives plus the 600 from blood frenzy its 900. But only for 3 seconds lol.
Ah, okay so that's where he got that number from. Honestly the Strike From the Shadows buff doesn't last nearly long enough for me to take advantage of it when I ambush someone who's actually skilled in this game. 6 Seconds goes by after just a single full rotation but it is neat to use in combination with Fossilize and Ferocious Leap. Wish it lasted longer though because Race Against Time's Minor Force buff lasts 12 seconds and is more useful when combined with the passives it gives as well.
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Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've only used it right before a stealth attack. It really doesn't seem to make much of a difference though. Perhaps lag is screwing it up because I turn it off right after I do the stealth attack. I have no clue.0 -
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Algorax✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »This is such a great Vampire skill and I want to get proficient with it, but am not doing a very good job. Once I toggle it on I have to almost immediately toggle it back off, which doesn't give me time to use any other skill while it's active.
How do all you other Vampires manage to use this skill successfully?
To get the most from this talent you need to build your whole character around it. This is the best way so far:
1) Roll a breton
2) Roll a nightblade
3) Reach vampire stage 4
4) Use the vampire lord set for weapon and jewelry
5) Chose an adequate HEAVY armor set for the body (better use shalk's exoskeletons bc you need fast ultimates)
6) Use the balorg head set (your whole playstile is based on overpowered transformations thanks to the vampire ult).
7) Get corrupting/purifying bloody mara
8) Bring your stats to a point where you have roughty the same amount of mana and magika (you should go past 30 k each)
9) Do everything you can to increase your rough spell power
10) Use the penetration traits on your weapons to compensate the lack of penetration form using the MANDATORY heavy armor
Make no mistake: vampire abilities in the current state ARE NOT designed to be efficiently used in a setting not entirely devoted to vampirism.
The stage 4 will lower the gamage you get from spamming blood for blood and keeping sated fury active.
Once you set your character ready you have done 50% of the work required to use this skill properly.
The other half is the harder part, which requires you to get your butt kicked several times bc you forgot to periodically toggle it off or, like in my case, bc it bugs and it either do not toggle when it should or "double toggles" and returns active without you even noticing it.
Succeed and you will have an unsuspectedly tanky character who regenerates alot of health and melts the enemy when the ult (who can be charged up really fast thanks to the ult cost reduction you get at stage 4 and the shalk set) is casted.
Your damage will explode thanks to sated fury plus the Balorgh set which, i remember you, is the more powerful the more ultimate points you have STORED at the moment of the cast, not based on the mere ult cost.
/thread, agree with the above entirely. Frenzy is a great addition to vamp.
The skill is made to be toggled on and off for a few seconds and used by a high stage vamp that is using the swarm ult (also striking from the shadows) and that ult is up frequently. OF COURSE it isn't going to end up beating youtube parse monkeys when built this way, but it will prove very powerful in actual use due to the extra tankiness and 20 second bursts of damage frequently.
Mine is a breton warden with shalk's 2 body/jewelry, vamp lord rest of pieces with decisive ice staff front bar and maelstrom back and Bogdan set. It was made for funsie pve, but works so well and satisfying and FUN that am going to rebuild an impen set gank. I see people complaining about this skill today being underpowered, well duh if you are trying to use it on a stage 1-2 vamp. In a month or two there will be complaining and nerf crying. Watch.
A high stage vamp with vamp lord set can keep it up for quite some time, especially if LA weaving on a class that has a LA heal like Warden or NB. If in ult, can keep it permanently as long as there is something to hit. Bogdan works great but other heal monster sets work also. If you want a straight line dps, use something else, if you want a bursty? New vamp is great.
Folks if you want a stand toe to toe character, you'll be better off with a werewolf. New vamp is every bit as powerful as new WW but different. But if you caught exercising that uber spell pwr of a Stage 4 at the wrong moment? Toast. That's balance.
So many ppl with no creativity in this game, so misplaced considering the kind of talent sistem we have...1 -
Algorax✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »To get the most from this talent you need to build your whole character around it. This is the best way so far:
1) Roll a breton
2) Roll a nightblade
No. I shouldn't have to make a one size fits all cookie cutter build to be able to play as a Vampire... which all races and classes are supposed to be able to play.
I am a High Elf Magika Sorcerer Vampire. That is what I want to play, and that is what I will play.
Read the OP please, he asked how to use SATED FURY and live.
Play whatever character you want, but do not be surprised if your pretentious build and setting does not fit an high skill cap spell.
What i suggested is optimal, but nothing stops you from being a magika vamp orc for what it matters: that's the fun of playing this game.0 -
Spartabunny08✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »To get the most from this talent you need to build your whole character around it. This is the best way so far:
1) Roll a breton
2) Roll a nightblade
No. I shouldn't have to make a one size fits all cookie cutter build to be able to play as a Vampire... which all races and classes are supposed to be able to play.
I am a High Elf Magika Sorcerer Vampire. That is what I want to play, and that is what I will play.
Read the OP please, he asked how to use SATED FURY and live.
Play whatever character you want, but do not be surprised if your pretentious build and setting does not fit an high skill cap spell.
What i suggested is optimal, but nothing stops you from being a magika vamp orc for what it matters: that's the fun of playing this game.
That IS the OP. I think he or she knows what they want. You gave some good advice, but the OP is not wrong about the fact they shouldn't be relegated to one race or class to use a skill available to anyone.2 -
Algorax✭✭✭✭Spartabunny08 wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »To get the most from this talent you need to build your whole character around it. This is the best way so far:
1) Roll a breton
2) Roll a nightblade
No. I shouldn't have to make a one size fits all cookie cutter build to be able to play as a Vampire... which all races and classes are supposed to be able to play.
I am a High Elf Magika Sorcerer Vampire. That is what I want to play, and that is what I will play.
Read the OP please, he asked how to use SATED FURY and live.
Play whatever character you want, but do not be surprised if your pretentious build and setting does not fit an high skill cap spell.
What i suggested is optimal, but nothing stops you from being a magika vamp orc for what it matters: that's the fun of playing this game.
That IS the OP. I think he or she knows what they want. You gave some good advice, but the OP is not wrong about the fact they shouldn't be relegated to one race or class to use a skill available to anyone.
I inform you that this is a common thing in ESO: every class has a feature or buff which can be covered by abilities external to their class talent tree but not everything is designed to be efficiently used by every setting or it would be pointless to have 2 resource pools.
You may play as you like but there are still bounds: vampires are notoriouly magika focused as opposite to werewolves, which are stamina focused. You can still play a vampire with a stamina build, but do not expect the same outcome.
Edited by Algorax on July 27, 2020 10:43AM0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I inform you that this is a common thing in ESO: every class has a feature or buff which can be covered by abilities external to their class talent tree but not everything is designed to be efficiently used by every setting...
You may play as you like but there are still bounds: vampires are notoriouly magika focused as opposite to werewolves, which are stamina focused. You can still play a vampire with a stamina build, but do not expect the same outcome.
I don't expect that. I realize that some races and classes may be optimized for certain skill lines. And I know that players who are a lot more hard core than me, will only play Vampire on a Breton Nightblade for this reason. But that isn't me.
I'm just a casual player who cares more about having fun than being the best. But I do want to play well, so when I get in a group for a World Boss, or a Harrowstorm for example, I can carry my own weight.
That is why I started this thread. I'd like to be able to use what could be a very good Vampire skill effectively without dying repeatedly.Edited by SilverBride on July 27, 2020 4:35PMPCNA1 -
Theignson✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've been trying it in PvP on my stam NB. Definitely high risk. I've offed myself a few times and given people easy kills. But also have been getting some very high WD. I've been using the Simmering Frenzy to get even higher WD.
My main complaint: your WD vanishes immediately when you turn it off, but you are still low health. I know the othe rmorph gives a heal. But, it seems like the WD boost stops immediately. I think it should last 1 or 2 seconds.
Also of course in cyrodil the lag makes it very dicey. You think its clicked off, but somehow its on again.
The best news: easy fix for in combat bug finally4 GOs, and General, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP over the last 8 years0 -
Algorax✭✭✭✭I've been trying it in PvP on my stam NB. Definitely high risk. I've offed myself a few times and given people easy kills. But also have been getting some very high WD. I've been using the Simmering Frenzy to get even higher WD.
My main complaint: your WD vanishes immediately when you turn it off, but you are still low health. I know the othe rmorph gives a heal. But, it seems like the WD boost stops immediately. I think it should last 1 or 2 seconds.
Also of course in cyrodil the lag makes it very dicey. You think its clicked off, but somehow its on again.
The best news: easy fix for in combat bug finally
It is not a lag problem: sometimes you click it in the middle of the fight and it counts as 2 clicks and essentially reactivates without you even noticing it.
The downside of the other morph is that the heal you get is already low and you must conside that it is halven in PvP making it even less relevant: it is really out of place having such a low return considering that NO EXTERNAL HEALING SOURCE is allowed while the ability is active.0 -
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✭Seems to me that there are a lot of folk who do not understand how to utilise (build for) vampirism and are therefore discounting or criticising skills/morphs perhaps unnecessarily.
I use sated fury to great effect in pvp, it drastically increases burst damage, yes at the expense of health and survivability but that's the point, high risk, high reward. This combined with blood for blood can work really well, that said I don't actually use blood for blood as my spammable.
Personally, after they nerfed my bow/bow build into the ground, I switched to being a vampire, totally changing playstyle and I have literally never had so much fun in pvp for years (and I am rubbish at pvp lol).
I find its best to engage folk who are already busy, or lone folk separated from support. Your burst can do the most good then, with minimised risk. You have to build into it, there is no use just slotting the skills and expecting it to work. You need the right sets and skills to complement matters
I guess its never going to please everyone. And I do think the skill cap is higher than usual for a playstyle.
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Algorax✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Seems to me that there are a lot of folk who do not understand how to utilise (build for) vampirism and are therefore discounting or criticising skills/morphs perhaps unnecessarily.
I use sated fury to great effect in pvp, it drastically increases burst damage, yes at the expense of health and survivability but that's the point, high risk, high reward. This combined with blood for blood can work really well, that said I don't actually use blood for blood as my spammable.
Personally, after they nerfed my bow/bow build into the ground, I switched to being a vampire, totally changing playstyle and I have literally never had so much fun in pvp for years (and I am rubbish at pvp lol).
I find its best to engage folk who are already busy, or lone folk separated from support. Your burst can do the most good then, with minimised risk. You have to build into it, there is no use just slotting the skills and expecting it to work. You need the right sets and skills to complement matters
I guess its never going to please everyone. And I do think the skill cap is higher than usual for a playstyle.
Indeed, ppl around here seem to believe that all playstyles can be mastered by even the less skilled players1 -
Nova_J✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Seems to me that there are a lot of folk who do not understand how to utilise (build for) vampirism and are therefore discounting or criticising skills/morphs perhaps unnecessarily.
I use sated fury to great effect in pvp, it drastically increases burst damage, yes at the expense of health and survivability but that's the point, high risk, high reward. This combined with blood for blood can work really well, that said I don't actually use blood for blood as my spammable.
Personally, after they nerfed my bow/bow build into the ground, I switched to being a vampire, totally changing playstyle and I have literally never had so much fun in pvp for years (and I am rubbish at pvp lol).
I find its best to engage folk who are already busy, or lone folk separated from support. Your burst can do the most good then, with minimised risk. You have to build into it, there is no use just slotting the skills and expecting it to work. You need the right sets and skills to complement matters
I guess its never going to please everyone. And I do think the skill cap is higher than usual for a playstyle.
Gank and bomb builds are already known to use blood frenzy, I think the op is looking for alternatives.0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the op is looking for alternatives.
Everyone keeps reading way too much into this. What I am looking for is a way to use Sated Fury and not die.
Do you keep it on your main bar, or do you switch back and forth to the back bar to toggle it on and off?
Where do you toggle it on, then off, in your rotation?
In other words, HOW do you use Sated Fury and not die?
Edited by SilverBride on July 28, 2020 9:45PMPCNA0 -
TheImperfect✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »I think the op is looking for alternatives.
Everyone keeps reading way too much into this. What I am looking for is a way to use Sated Fury and not die.
Do you keep it on your main bar, or do you switch back and forth to the back bar to toggle it on and off?
Where do you toggle it on, then off, in your rotation?
In other words, HOW do you use Sated Fury and not die?
I have it on the front bar, I personally find it easier to toggle on and off that way but it probably is best on whichever bar you use the most and find easiest to toggle it on and off. You might need to experiment.
I started with normal overworld monsters moved on delves and public dungeons when feeling more confident. Then tried a normal dungeon. It was possible to use in a dungeon but you have to be extremely careful with it and it could be easier to use another skill but I did manage adequately. My character is a magicka dragonknight so skills probably different.Edited by TheImperfect on July 28, 2020 11:05PM0 -
Nova_J✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I think the op is looking for alternatives.
Everyone keeps reading way too much into this. What I am looking for is a way to use Sated Fury and not die.
Do you keep it on your main bar, or do you switch back and forth to the back bar to toggle it on and off?
Where do you toggle it on, then off, in your rotation?
In other words, HOW do you use Sated Fury and not die?
Ahh well, then you need to keep it on your front bar and watch it, try not to switch bars while its toggled on. I would suggest toggling on your HoTs before activating the skill. This move was intended to be use while transformed so it will be much harder to manage while in your regular form.0 -
Josira✭✭✭✭Quick Answer: you dont.
Long Answer: there are better options for damage,more reliable options and of course,that skill will never be balanced for points I have mentioned before. you cant balance a skill like that. it will either be too powerful or too weak. a numbers tweak cannot fix that skill.
If you have to rely on it for a build,there are better options. although I did see someone here talk about using it with phoenix which sounds..interesting for timed bursts actually but the 1 minute cooldown means it is unreliable as a damaging proc.
if it did the same damage as say,vicious death? then by god I would actually bite the bullet and try to make a build using clown frenzy and phoenix"BlooD FReNZy TicKS aLL thE BoXes of WhaT iT mEanS tO bE a VaMpiRe"1 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I used it in non-CP Cyrodiil and some BGs yesterday (on my hybrid Sorcerer) and in the non-CP and Battle Spirit environment it is very challenging to use the skill.
As a Sorcerer, I still had some unreliable healing from Critical Surge (though you don't even have that if you use Malacath's...) and Maelstrom Resto back-bar along with Crushing Weapon and a Bow (not a gank build). Assuming that you're pre-buffing with Radiating Regen and Vigor, you can still keep it up for 5-8 seconds if you're taking light damage but if you're ever CC'd or focused by multiple enemies then you are instantly toast.
I also tried 2H but the increased damage taken from playing melee and the lack of a 2H healing spammable limits the window to around 3-4 seconds and, at least on that build (Stuhn's and Ancient Dragonguard) it was not really worth it.
For PvE, as I've said before, you just need multiple HoTs or class healing sources on you as you do your rotation.
Fortunately, most of those are from skills that you're going to be using anyway: Bloodcraze, Bloodthirst, Structured Entropy, Burning Embers, Swallow Soul, Leeching Strikes, Jabs, Critical Surge, the Warden passive from Animal Companions off the top of my head. Yes, that means some concessions in your build (like choosing the lesser DPS morph or using spammables like the Warden Bird) but the DPS gain should outweigh that.
One thing that Frenzy would really benefit from is a clearer animation and indication when you toggle the ability off. Right now, you get a little box when you toggle it ON but there should be immediate and clear feedback when you disengage the ability.0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »I think the op is looking for alternatives.
Everyone keeps reading way too much into this. What I am looking for is a way to use Sated Fury and not die.
Do you keep it on your main bar, or do you switch back and forth to the back bar to toggle it on and off?
Where do you toggle it on, then off, in your rotation?
In other words, HOW do you use Sated Fury and not die?
@Nova_J @SilverBride
-OK, at Stage 4 vampirism your damage mitigation is huge, 30% or something. Im still experimenting but Im not finding it much of an issue sitting at Stage 4 and benefitting from this buff.
-Slot a damage shield, there are viable damage shields skills for both stam and magica that everyone has available. Keep your damage shield up.
-Build to have reasonable resistances, via sets and skills. There are also skills/sets that mitigate incoming damage. These are key ways to increase survivability.
-Use sets that either compliment your damage at low health by buffing it, or provide you with defense, such as damage shields, resistances etc as mentioned above.
-Slot heals to rapidly recover your health, Vigour for instance or any number of other heals.
The whole concept of Sated Fury seems to me, to be all about burst. I think it is unlikely it is intended for us to waltz around a dungeon/trial at low health and not expect to get punished, even with damage reduction, damage shields and resistances. However in dungeons and trials, with tanks etc, you should be able to handle the amount of damage coming your way, so long as you avoid mechanics and one shots.
So use it for burst, use the vamp lord ulti (this alone helps keep you alive massively) activate it and fire off your high damage skills, and procs (such as Merciless Resolve bow proc on my nb).
I front bar the skills because that just works with my cobo. Slot it where its comfortable for you. The other thing is that for me I am at Stage 4 so have no health recovery, that's all down to my skills. So I sit at very low health to execute my burst, then use a heal to recover.
Accept that mistakes happen, mechanics happen, you will die. Have fun.
.Edited by Grianasteri on July 29, 2020 5:22PM0 -
Algorax✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I think the op is looking for alternatives.
Everyone keeps reading way too much into this. What I am looking for is a way to use Sated Fury and not die.
Do you keep it on your main bar, or do you switch back and forth to the back bar to toggle it on and off?
Where do you toggle it on, then off, in your rotation?
In other words, HOW do you use Sated Fury and not die?
Not everyone: i did not.
I understood exactly what you were asking, my answer was precise and appropriate, their angry, baiting comments were not.Edited by Algorax on July 29, 2020 3:40PM0