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can we please add damage mitigation to shadow tree(NB TANK)
Playboy_Shrek
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tank NB is getting a humongous nerf that would leave the tank NB build pretty much pointless as to why you'd use it besides wanting to play tank NB. and its not meant as a nerf but as a buff to DPS NB as its struggling a bit. can we please get a buff like 5%/10% rank1/2 on the shadow tree passive. something like
While a shadow skill is slotted: gain 5% damage reduction
rank II: gain 10% damage reduction.
or something that activates on a skill that works on both bars. like maybe have it on dark cloak and make it 30 seconds long instead of the 60. that would be acceptable.
While a shadow skill is slotted: gain 5% damage reduction
rank II: gain 10% damage reduction.
or something that activates on a skill that works on both bars. like maybe have it on dark cloak and make it 30 seconds long instead of the 60. that would be acceptable.
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.0 -
Playboy_Shrek✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.3 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.2 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
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silky_soft✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.This recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.1 -
Playboy_Shrek✭✭✭I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
I very much agree with this because it doesn't make any sense to have Blur in the assassination tree. and yes, veiled strike makes no sense in shadow tree as stamblade has no class spammable because that skill serves no purpose in the shadow tree. passives wasted1 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
Vigor is better healing than all the restro line together. being better at a bombing build is like being better as a snipe bow builds. Both are niche and very situational. The first time I hear someone who thinks that magicka NB in better than Stam NB, for PVP.2 -
Playboy_Shrek✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
Vigor is better healing than all the restro line together. being better at a bombing build is like being better as a snipe bow builds. Both are niche and very situational. The first time I hear someone who thinks that magicka NB in better than Stam NB, for PVP.
why is this forum fixated with pvp when most people play pve?. dont get it personally. I was meaning it all for pve.3 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah, I'm sure you'd be positively overjoyed if you were forced to have a resto staff on your back bar instead of a bow or whatever it is you use. Opens up so many possibilities.🙄silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
As far as Sap Essence, aside from bombing and maybe killing trash packs in dungeons, it's one of the more useless magblade skills.
When I played stamblade, all I needed was Vigor & Leeching strikes and I was good to go. I was also able to use whatever weapons I wanted — something you apparently take for granted.
Why don't you try playing a few BGs with a resto staff and Vigor on your back bar and tell me how awesome it is. (Vigor has to be on your resto bar.) I'm sure you'll never go back to the inconvenience of being able to use the weapons of your choice.Edited by Langeston on July 27, 2020 10:49AM1 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
Vigor is better healing than all the restro line together. being better at a bombing build is like being better as a snipe bow builds. Both are niche and very situational. The first time I hear someone who thinks that magicka NB in better than Stam NB, for PVP.
why is this forum fixated with pvp when most people play pve?. dont get it personally. I was meaning it all for pve.
Your post was about nerf to tanking, you asked to be double up on passives because reasons. I offered a solution which revert the nerf to tanking while giving the option to build for crit damage as an alternative. This could be applied to PVE and PVP. You brought up the bow damage which is mostly irrelevant to PVE parse as you would like to maintain the passive. Bow damage is a thing in PVP, so the shame is on you.Edited by Lughlongarm on July 27, 2020 10:56AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
Honestly this is such a good idea it should have its own post. @Maulkin0 -
ewateoSoul Shrivenlooks like many replies are mising the subject... Personally I do not see this kind of need. You already have a damge mitigation in the Shadow skill line - dark cloak grants 8% damage reduction. I run 4 tanks (dk, nb, warden and necro) and as a nb never found light attacks spamming (for max stacks of Grim focus) practical. But maybe its just me... You can play necro tank if you need like a 8% (agony totem) + 10% (spirit guardian) damage mitigation. Do not understand why all classes should have the same buffs/debuffs as they gonna loose their identity. Grim focus should have always been a damage dealing directed skill. Tbh a 10% damage mitigation with this skill was so weird to me (maybe not for all squishy nbs in pvp) but now we can have that glass cannon real again (more than ever).0 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I personally enjoyed the Siphon based "sap tank" meta way more than the light attack to get mitigation meta with Nightblade tanking.
Playing since beta...0 -
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✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
Vigor is better healing than all the restro line together. being better at a bombing build is like being better as a snipe bow builds. Both are niche and very situational. The first time I hear someone who thinks that magicka NB in better than Stam NB, for PVP.
why is this forum fixated with pvp when most people play pve?. dont get it personally. I was meaning it all for pve.
People are completing PvE endgame content fine, if you want to run an off meta PvE tank build you can’t turn around and ask for absurd buffs that would devastate PvP. Sword and board is insanely overpowered in PvP With probably 11/12 builds running one backbar (if thats not an indication as to overpowered I don’t know what is) however it can’t be touched because of how vital it’s strengths and passives are for PvE. Either play the meta DK tank or accept the shortfalls of a poor selection0 -
ewateoSoul ShrivenI personally enjoyed the Siphon based "sap tank" meta way more than the light attack to get mitigation meta with Nightblade tanking.
Is casting power extraction (almost 3k stam so not so cheap) every 8 seconds for 185 weapon damge reduction worth it?People are completing PvE endgame content fine, if you want to run an off meta PvE tank build you can’t turn around and ask for absurd buffs that would devastate PvP. Sword and board is insanely overpowered in PvP With probably 11/12 builds running one backbar (if thats not an indication as to overpowered I don’t know what is) however it can’t be touched because of how vital it’s strengths and passives are for PvE. Either play the meta DK tank or accept the shortfalls of a poor selection
Nb tank is not a poor selection. Apparently it can provide: Minor Savagery, Minor Vulnerability, Major Protection for the entire group. All that "meta DK tank" cannot, eventually granting Minor Brutality only (Major Sorcery/Brutality not taken into consideration as everyone use pots in general)0 -
eKsDee✭✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
Vigor is better healing than all the restro line together. being better at a bombing build is like being better as a snipe bow builds. Both are niche and very situational. The first time I hear someone who thinks that magicka NB in better than Stam NB, for PVP.
why is this forum fixated with pvp when most people play pve?. dont get it personally. I was meaning it all for pve.
Because PvP is where balance is the most impactful and more immediately felt, as it dictates both you and your opponent's experiences, instead of just your's. In PvE, an overpowered skill/set/whatever just ultimately results in faster and/or smoother clears. In PvP, an overpowered skill/set/whatever results in better damage/survival/sustain/whatever for you, but a more unenjoyable fight for your opponent.
PvP should be what the game gets balanced around, with PvE being adjusted to compensate. Not only are the effects of balancing more immediately felt in PvP, but it's also far easier to adjust against a constant (NPC) than it is a variable (player). You can always expect an NPC to deal a relatively fixed amount of damage and stick to a relatively fixed schedule, but a player can build themselves up in a million different ways and adjust their gameplay in accordance with what's going on in the fight or in terms of balancing.Edited by eKsDee on July 27, 2020 2:50PM3 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Passive damage reduction from slotting a skill? I say no. Either you champion to keep it as it is on live or keep the healing and damage buff.0 -
ATreeGnome✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
Vigor is better healing than all the restro line together. being better at a bombing build is like being better as a snipe bow builds. Both are niche and very situational. The first time I hear someone who thinks that magicka NB in better than Stam NB, for PVP.
why is this forum fixated with pvp when most people play pve?. dont get it personally. I was meaning it all for pve.
People are completing PvE endgame content fine, if you want to run an off meta PvE tank build you can’t turn around and ask for absurd buffs that would devastate PvP. Sword and board is insanely overpowered in PvP With probably 11/12 builds running one backbar (if thats not an indication as to overpowered I don’t know what is) however it can’t be touched because of how vital it’s strengths and passives are for PvE. Either play the meta DK tank or accept the shortfalls of a poor selection
DK tank meta? Is this 2018? Every class has been GOOD at PvE tanking for quite a while now including NB.0 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I personally enjoyed the Siphon based "sap tank" meta way more than the light attack to get mitigation meta with Nightblade tanking.
Is casting power extraction (almost 3k stam so not so cheap) every 8 seconds for 185 weapon damge reduction worth it?People are completing PvE endgame content fine, if you want to run an off meta PvE tank build you can’t turn around and ask for absurd buffs that would devastate PvP. Sword and board is insanely overpowered in PvP With probably 11/12 builds running one backbar (if thats not an indication as to overpowered I don’t know what is) however it can’t be touched because of how vital it’s strengths and passives are for PvE. Either play the meta DK tank or accept the shortfalls of a poor selection
Nb tank is not a poor selection. Apparently it can provide: Minor Savagery, Minor Vulnerability, Major Protection for the entire group. All that "meta DK tank" cannot, eventually granting Minor Brutality only (Major Sorcery/Brutality not taken into consideration as everyone use pots in general)
I don't think Sap tanks were casting the Power Extraction morph.Playing since beta...0 -
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✭ATreeGnome wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »Lughlongarm wrote: »Or, make the stamina morph of Grim focus as it is on live and change only the magicka morph.
Much better for overall balance.
idk the point of that then because the magicka morph already does more damage than stamina morph and stamNB is the one struggling more.
stamNB is struggling more than magicka ? In what world? If you are talking about PVE, you need to take into account changes to the vamp spammable and the spell power mythic item.
Overall, stamNB is much better than MagickaNB with more healing options, better identity and damage. It is melee so mitigation buff on bow skill makes scene.
Yea those stamina morphs in the restro line need a nerf. Plus our heals from power extraction are insane compared to sap when we do a bomb.
Vigor is better healing than all the restro line together. being better at a bombing build is like being better as a snipe bow builds. Both are niche and very situational. The first time I hear someone who thinks that magicka NB in better than Stam NB, for PVP.
why is this forum fixated with pvp when most people play pve?. dont get it personally. I was meaning it all for pve.
People are completing PvE endgame content fine, if you want to run an off meta PvE tank build you can’t turn around and ask for absurd buffs that would devastate PvP. Sword and board is insanely overpowered in PvP With probably 11/12 builds running one backbar (if thats not an indication as to overpowered I don’t know what is) however it can’t be touched because of how vital it’s strengths and passives are for PvE. Either play the meta DK tank or accept the shortfalls of a poor selection
DK tank meta? Is this 2018? Every class has been GOOD at PvE tanking for quite a while now including NB.
Every class can equipped a taunt. The adequacy of a class in tanking is not balanced at all.-Immortal Redeemer-
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nublife01✭✭✭✭I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
veiled strike and all other shadow tree abilities activates our shadow tree passive that provides literally all of our defense. the fact that you dont know this or how vital it is that our spammable activates this defensive passive means you don't understand nightblade at all.0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
veiled strike and all other shadow tree abilities activates our shadow tree passive that provides literally all of our defense. the fact that you dont know this or how vital it is that our spammable activates this defensive passive means you don't understand nightblade at all.
How can I not know this when I'm mentioning it literally in the post you quote? Riddle me that, Batman.EU | PC | AD2 -
Celestro✭✭✭I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
veiled strike and all other shadow tree abilities activates our shadow tree passive that provides literally all of our defense. the fact that you dont know this or how vital it is that our spammable activates this defensive passive means you don't understand nightblade at all.
Yeah, this was my thought process. Similar to like Magden primarily focusing on the Animal Companions line, they still "depend" on Lotus Blossom in the Green Balance tree for the Major Prophecy and the passives, including the group buff one, as well as Winter's Revenge in Winter's Embrace tree for some of those passives. Both are largely more DPS oriented, as that is what the Animal Companions tree leans towards, but most characters need all three lines to round themselves out, even if the lines emphasize DPS, tank or healing. I understand where the thought process is coming from at the least.0 -
Saubon✭✭✭I think putting 10% dr on grim focus was just bad design, still it will be really missed. They could make it Blur morph or something.Passive damage reduction from slotting a skill? I say no. Either you champion to keep it as it is on live or keep the healing and damage buff.
Temporal guard?
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I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
veiled strike and all other shadow tree abilities activates our shadow tree passive that provides literally all of our defense. the fact that you dont know this or how vital it is that our spammable activates this defensive passive means you don't understand nightblade at all.
Depends, it could work if the passive was reworked to allow major resolve to be active for the duration that a shadow ability is up for and instead of for 5 seconds. As it is you have shade currently and if blur and its morph is moved over will allow better major resolve up time. I also don't buy that it would be broken as you have plenty of other abilities like necro's bone armor that gives major resolve for about the same duration.
Either way, I am too of the mind that the mitigation lost from grim focus needs to come back into the NB toolkit. Since the shadow tree is the tanking tree, Refreshing Path or Shade should provide the 10% mitigation. My own wish would be for Shade to inherit the 10% mitigation, since its part of the signature NB toolkit. The 10% mitigation from shade and 8% major protection from dark cloak would benefit non-stealth pvp styles and satisfy pve tanks.0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
veiled strike and all other shadow tree abilities activates our shadow tree passive that provides literally all of our defense. the fact that you dont know this or how vital it is that our spammable activates this defensive passive means you don't understand nightblade at all.
They literally mentioned it in their comment...........2 -
Playboy_Shrek✭✭✭WiredandTired wrote: »I've said this before but...
Blur should be moved to the Shadow tree, since it's a tank-related skill, and the Blur morph can be slightly changed. It should perhaps grant stacks of damage mitigation to direct attacks when hit by one (instead of Minor resistances) up to 10%. It will also passively grant Major Resolve/Ward making it a must have skill along with Dark Cloak to keep up the buff uptime.
In return, Veiled Strike should move to the Assassination tree where it fits best. It will then work with the tree passive to grant crit chance and crit dmg, instead of granting hp and armour buffs for slotting and using an offensive ability... which is entirely counter intuitive.
veiled strike and all other shadow tree abilities activates our shadow tree passive that provides literally all of our defense. the fact that you dont know this or how vital it is that our spammable activates this defensive passive means you don't understand nightblade at all.
Depends, it could work if the passive was reworked to allow major resolve to be active for the duration that a shadow ability is up for and instead of for 5 seconds. As it is you have shade currently and if blur and its morph is moved over will allow better major resolve up time. I also don't buy that it would be broken as you have plenty of other abilities like necro's bone armor that gives major resolve for about the same duration.
Either way, I am too of the mind that the mitigation lost from grim focus needs to come back into the NB toolkit. Since the shadow tree is the tanking tree, Refreshing Path or Shade should provide the 10% mitigation. My own wish would be for Shade to inherit the 10% mitigation, since its part of the signature NB toolkit. The 10% mitigation from shade and 8% major protection from dark cloak would benefit non-stealth pvp styles and satisfy pve tanks.
the thing about the mitigation that made it good is the fact that it was near permanent. pretty much 95% uptime using almost no resources.
if we move it to a skill. like you said, it will have way higher downtime. and way higher cost to keep it up. it would be a bit absurd.
I am for adding it in the shadow tree somehow as a passive and making it stack somehow. that would be most fair. the other suggestions just aren't great for uptime and resources.0 -
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✭As a (unwilling) tank main with a NB tank, I feel like this change is fine. It hurts NB tanks, but that's okay. NB tanks were already exceedingly strong in high-damage encounters. This 10% nerf should bring them more in line with the Sorcs, Wardens and DKs of the world. I would be okay with them getting an active for a few seconds to replace it, but a "set it and forget it" flat 10% damage mit was absurd to begin with.0
