If you aren’t seeing results it could be a lack of proper class design for pvp damage dealers.
Without using harmony and things like a lightning staff to buff the damage of gravedigger further your are left with lackluster skills with little to no synergy within its own kit.

The class spammable looks strong and provides a %damage increase on each third cast.
The problem with the spammable and why most choose to discard it is, it is very clunky and slow making it unreliable for times burst. The skill makes your weapon disappear longer than most class spammables excluding crystal frags because it has the same effect but more damage and is not a true spammable.
Your cc is also delayed in a since which you cannot force upon the enemy making the cc either delayed or non reliable.
The class burst option which is stalking blast-bones had a superb change in targeting which in turn, made the passive attached to the magicka morph almost useless vs opponents that are not kiting you. And is still broken to some extent. I.e when a sorc streaks away the blastbones jumps and explodes but does not connect with a target, same things happens when you use flame clench( the preferred stun) it knocks it just away from the path it jumps to resulting in no damage.
More than half of the passives support tanky or support gameplay with little to no % damage increases, everything in the passives are flat gains excluding the critical increases to enemies with low health( which still is counter intuitive to the current meta with everyone having increased crit resists)
All of the ultimates on the class are delayed damage which most enemies can heal through or dodge away from.
There are no true DoTs on the class to add pressure to a single target. Given that the class has 15% more dot damage passive. The scythe sadly is not an execute and the tooltip wont scale up to equal even 6> of the current spammables damage.
That being said for dealing damage and setting up burst outside of the colussus smash and gravedigger you wont see much results as the current output and amount of damage skills are lackluster in comparison to magblades, magsorcs, magicka templars, magicka dks and even magicka wardens.
The thing in common that each one of these classes have is % damage increase whether crit damage modifiers or raw damage modifiers. Mag sorc and magicka dks have unblockable ccs which both cannot be dodged. Templars have better cc abilities that can either be knockback or a gapcloser with a spammable that procs extra damage ontop of incredible synergy with passives for extra damage. Warden is the king of aoe pressure with multiple % increase to damage across the board. Each class has synergy with its damage dealing kit. Procs going to templar and sorc with burning light and frags with undodgeable damage. Magicka dk and wardens have incredible pressure in forms of big burst and dots. Magicka nightblade is similar in regard to having counterable burst added with casttimes. But is much more intuitive and effective than magicka necromancer. Even with harmony you are left with 2 skills to use to be on par with every other class in the game of which are both on lengthy timers, synergy activation 20 second cool down and a 30% damage increasing ult which at most
Times will only hit once and can be purged aswell. With no dots or any other status effects from the class it is heavily build reliant to get even a fraction of performance you can get with other classes.

My conclusion is that hopefully further down the line the class gets a reasonable rework to the tethering skills, blast bones, class spammable, cc, and class passives. Otherwise you can enjoy good damage mitigation and reliable healing. And try and out sustain the other enemy if you arent relying on harmony and the 2 class skills that deal good enough damage to pubstomp and bomb.

My guildies LOVE the class, but mostly for synergy builds.

Waffennacht wrote: »

No way to reliably finish off an opponent

Agreed, I feel like im basically artillery in pvp. I end up with so many assists in BGs. After writing this I feel compelled to put 2 bloodthirsty, 20% + damage at <25% HP could probably make up for the lack of execute.

No offensive CC, a terrible offensive kit that generally is forced to crutch on harmony, no useful secondary effect on blastbones, a clunky spammable, no execute, no major sorcery or prophecy, no on demand debuffs aside from the ult, no mobility, etc. Magcro just needs a massive overhaul for PvP. You can basically only fight people when they want to fight you since you completely lack mobility and offensive CC.

Magcro is top tier in bgs. Its just that no one knows how to use their kit. Its not all about offense you can be a pillar for your team. Good heals, good damage and good zone control. Ppl are trying to go for 1vx duel builds and bring em to bgs. Thats not the same meta!

Atherakhia wrote: »

buzzclops wrote: »

Magcro is top tier in bgs. Its just that no one knows how to use their kit. Its not all about offense you can be a pillar for your team. Good heals, good damage and good zone control. Ppl are trying to go for 1vx duel builds and bring em to bgs. Thats not the same meta!

The problem with comments like this is as good as you may be with MagCro, there's a reason you see next to none of them when doing any PvP be it BGs or Cyrodil. The community at large agrees they're the bottom of Mag in this game.

I think the problem in this thread is a lot of people are confusing the words "bad" with "useless". Obviously the class isn't useless. But to say it's anything but last place is being naive.

You can consistently pull 1 million heals and 1 million damage and carry an entire team on your shoulders on magcro in no cp bgs. Magden can do it too. They are far from bottom place in “bgs” if it wasnt for solo q only it would be even stronger. In this format id say stamsorc/magdk are the worst right now as they bring nothing to their teams and have been hit harder by the healing nerf. Tho i agree that it needs some buffs especially on blastbones morph. All im saying is worst class for open world/ duels maybe but for 4v4v4 it’s actually really good

NO execute, NO reliable CC, NO mobility in class, tethers are just good good in fast paced PvP as a result tons of necro damage potential is missing, their heal defiles them, spammable is weak when you have nothing to combo it with, destro staff is unable to fill in for a non viable class kit in PvP, at least with stam that isn't an issue.

Support while very much appreciated has gone down considerably in value with the combination of healing nerfs and removal of actual organized PvP from bgs.

Stamsorc is incredible in BGs, MagDK is in a weird spot but it's MUCH more user friendly than magcro which basically is a 1 trick pony with an awkward playstyle. The best thing to happen to magcro's is harmony being nerfed because now the actual issues with the class can be looked at.

I play magcro in bgs nearly every day, non harmony build.

Icy Conj, blackrose destro/resto, skoria(although its a bit bugged atm).

I use the ranged morph of impulse to spread wild impulse dot, plonk down graveyard, spam crushing shock, profit.

Firstmep wrote: »

I play magcro in bgs nearly every day, non harmony build.

Icy Conj, blackrose destro/resto, skoria(although its a bit bugged atm).

I use the ranged morph of impulse to spread wild impulse dot, plonk down graveyard, spam crushing shock, profit.

The problem with takes like this, is non cp and cp are completely different. Slap a proc set on and any class will be amazing in no cp. No cp is a terrible place to get an idea for a classes strengths and weaknesses because people just slap the same proc sets on everything.

Magcro is the king of survivability, but they lack in sustain and damage. They have no good spammable, their delayed burst is untimed and the morph is useless when the ability works correctly. Their cc is good, but isn’t instant, which makes it a lot worse than other mag classes options. No execute, and they rely heavily on tethers and pets for sustain. Plus the pets aren’t cheap, and mobility is nowhere to be seen. Their ultimate is good, but can easily miss, can be dodge rolled, and costs more than meteor. A direct damage magcro is almost forced to get mages and psijic guilds, whereas no other class needs them to be competitive