Unjustified perma bans?

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · July 2020

it sounds like they use an expolit more than 3 times, doing it once you go wtf, you check a 3rd time to see if it is happen and go, this cant be, you do a 3rd time and if happening dont do again, its an expolit/ bug, zos class it as cheating so just dont go near them to be safe

mairwen85 · July 2020

ralphylauren wrote: »

So let me get this correct, you have to buy the game and then to get full experience get a membership and pay monthly to access the game you already bought, only to be under constant pressure of getting you’re account banned without reason?

Amazing 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'd posit the reason here is quite obvious and given the elucidations in OP before ZOS moderated it, the reason was also known and certainly quite clear. Aside from that, I haven't felt pressure of losing my account at any point in the last 6 years, so constant pressure doesn't exist in my experience. I'd say that if anyone is feeling pressure or concerned their actions could potentially get them banned, they are already aware they are doing things they shouldn't be.

Elsonso · July 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

That's part of it, but the other part is the fear. If people don't know anything about the banning, they start to worry they could be banned as well. It's the lack of knowledge. We hope that ZOS is banning exploiters and not catching innocents at the same time, but how can we tell?

Yup. This. People who are not intending to do anything wrong are seeing other people who say they are not intending to do anything wrong being "permanently banned". This brings up the "could it happen to me" response that seems to be built into our social behavior. Fear of punishment, especially for unknown reasons, can be an effective tool to keep some people in line.

ralphylauren wrote: »

So let me get this correct, you have to buy the game and then to get full experience get a membership and pay monthly to access the game you already bought, only to be under constant pressure of getting you’re account banned without reason?

Thank you for making my point.

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OtarTheMad · July 2020

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Banning people who do exploits is normal. ff11 dev banned entire endgame guilds who used exploits.

If you see an exploit report it.

Absolutely but my question is what if I accidentally do this exploit? I don't know what it is because all references are being erased. Is it obvious? If I do it accidentally will I be perma-banned?

This argument comes up every time this type of discussion is brought up. And it always falls flat because its not like ZOS is out here Perma-Banning people for accidentally triggering an exploit. They even tend to be rather conservative with the perma-bans considering how many people have admittedly exploited only to return a short time afterwards. If someone is being perma-banned its likely they continued the behavior.

True but in all my years playing this game I have run into a few times where innocents got banned. There was even something earlier this year, like around when Harrowstorm dropped where people accidentally triggered something and got perma-banned. From what I heard true innocents got their account back but still, it can happen. Just like what redspecte23 said, it's fear. I even told some guildies to not even mess with the fragments because we just don't know.

KMarble · July 2020

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

The creation of that dummy from fragments is disabled for now, awaiting a fix.

I wonder if they also disabled the drop of the fragments. I never had a lot of luck getting those, but for the last few days I'm getting none.

idk · July 2020

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

They exploited a bug which made it possible to create an unlimited amount of dummies from one set of 50 fragments, which should have been a very obviously unintended effect to anyone experiencing it. The creation of that dummy from fragments is disabled for now, awaiting a fix.

This also points out how someone could not repeatedly do this in an unintended manner and not notice it as something that should be reported.

doomette · July 2020

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

They exploited a bug which made it possible to create an unlimited amount of dummies from one set of 50 fragments, which should have been a very obviously unintended effect to anyone experiencing it. The creation of that dummy from fragments is disabled for now, awaiting a fix.

How did they actually benefit from it though? Can you sell or trade these dummies?

Maybe they really liked how the one part of the second-to-last main quest in W. Skyrim looked and wanted to recreate it, so they needed a bagillion stone husk dummies 🤔 heh

Jeremy · July 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

That's part of it, but the other part is the fear. If people don't know anything about the banning, they start to worry they could be banned as well. It's the lack of knowledge. We hope that ZOS is banning exploiters and not catching innocents at the same time, but how can we tell?

Yup. This. People who are not intending to do anything wrong are seeing other people who say they are not intending to do anything wrong being "permanently banned". This brings up the "could it happen to me" response that seems to be built into our social behavior. Fear of punishment, especially for unknown reasons, can be an effective tool to keep some people in line.

ralphylauren wrote: »

So let me get this correct, you have to buy the game and then to get full experience get a membership and pay monthly to access the game you already bought, only to be under constant pressure of getting you’re account banned without reason?

Thank you for making my point.

Fear of punishment, especially for unknown reasons, can be an effective tool to keep some people in line. I think you just hit the nail on the head. I see this trend happening everywhere now and days too, just not just on video games. Online forums, jobs, schools... the goal seems to make everyone feel like they are walking on egg shells.

Jeremy · July 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

ralphylauren wrote: »

So let me get this correct, you have to buy the game and then to get full experience get a membership and pay monthly to access the game you already bought, only to be under constant pressure of getting you’re account banned without reason?

Amazing 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'd posit the reason here is quite obvious and given the elucidations in OP before ZOS moderated it, the reason was also known and certainly quite clear. Aside from that, I haven't felt pressure of losing my account at any point in the last 6 years, so constant pressure doesn't exist in my experience. I'd say that if anyone is feeling pressure or concerned their actions could potentially get them banned, they are already aware they are doing things they shouldn't be.

I've gotten my fair share of player messages on this game accusing me of exploiting bugs. They said they were reporting me and hope I get the permanent ban and I literally had no clue what they were even talking about - yet they were super pissed at me for supposedly exploiting.

ZoS has never banned me for these so-called "exploits" they were accusing me of. So in my experience (at least in-game) it hasn't happened to me yet either. But seeing how desperate so many players are to get their fellow players into trouble I have a hard time believing no innocent people have ever been caught up in the whirlwind.

Obvious cheating - like using bots as an example - should be banned. But when ever a situation presents where there is a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the person knew they were doing something wrong, I think the developers should err on the side of caution and just let the player know the offending activity is considered an exploit before slapping a ban on them.

rexagamemnon · July 2020

Wait zos perma bans people for exploits and cheats [snip]?

[edited for baiting]

Jeremy · July 2020

rexagamemnon wrote: »

Wait zos perma bans people for exploits and cheats [snip]?

Luckily they're not near as strict on the game as they are on the forums. I hope it stays that way too because if they were to ever carry over the rules of this forum onto the game I wouldn't last a week. Which is why I go out of my way to comment on threads like this to try and do what I can to make sure that doesn't happen. lol

JKorr · July 2020

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Banning people who do exploits is normal. ff11 dev banned entire endgame guilds who used exploits.

If you see an exploit report it.

Absolutely but my question is what if I accidentally do this exploit? I don't know what it is because all references are being erased. Is it obvious? If I do it accidentally will I be perma-banned?

I found a minor exploit once. Did it a second time to make sure it happened again. Sent a report about it and said I did it the first time by accident, the second time on purpose to see if it happened again. Since it it did, I was making the report. Never got in trouble for it.

ralphylauren wrote: »

So let me get this correct, you have to buy the game and then to get full experience get a membership and pay monthly to access the game you already bought, only to be under constant pressure of getting you’re account banned without reason?

Amazing 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh yeah. The people who intentionally abuse exploits probably should be under constant pressure of getting their account banned. Without reason? No. I've been playing since beta. I've found some bugs, a few minor glitches that could have been exploits while playing. Never intentionally abusing those exploits/glitches kinda sorta means I have never once felt the "constant pressure of getting my 2 subbed accounts banned.

And, just in case you missed the memo, you *do* have to buy the game. You do *not* have to pay monthly unless you choose to pay for the ESO plus.

Surak73 · July 2020

ZeeroCelcius wrote: »

Its my understanding that these bans are happening because [snip]

Oh no, people have been permabanned for a snip! That's terrible!!...

Jack_Handey · July 2020

One of my accounts has been banned and I have no idea why. Sent in tickets asking for clarity and have received no response in 10 days.

idk · July 2020

Jack_Handey wrote: »

One of my accounts has been banned and I have no idea why. Sent in tickets asking for clarity and have received no response in 10 days.

CS has been very backed up since COVID started. It has at least a 2-week backlog. The best you can do is create a thread, with the ticket number and tag BillE. They can maker sure it is in the correct queue.

FYI, do not update the existing ticket except for when Zos replies and do not create a second ticket. Both actions push the ticket farther back. Zos has specifically stated this and I have seen the same occur with other companies.

Jack_Handey · July 2020

Thank you.

idk · July 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

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From what I have read here the reason for the recent ban was something that was very obvious when it occurred. I expect this time was similar to other times when Zos gave permanent or long term bans to people who continued to use an obvious exploit and failed to report it. So yea, this is not being a bully.

Those banned are able to appeal their ban but that is not a fast process, especially in the era of COVID.

Elsonso · July 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

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That is the beauty of it. They are BOTH of those, and they are also the company that deliberately nerfs content so that people have to leave the game AND makes changes to the game so that people have to play more because are forced to repeat content over and over to get rewards they already earned.

Sadists, they are.

Taleof2Cities · July 2020

I stopped reading when the OP said "perma bans" were "unjustified".

Since that's the subject title, it has enabled me to skip pretty much everything in the thread ...

TheRealPotoroo · July 2020

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I stopped reading when the OP said "perma bans" were "unjustified".

Since that's the subject title, it has enabled me to skip pretty much everything in the thread ...

Why are you here?

SeaGtGruff · July 2020

Why, looking for Yoda, of course!

But seriously, I don't think anyone else will be in danger of getting perma-banned over this, since the thing seems to be turned off for the time being, presumably while they update the code and prevent the exploit from being exploited any more.