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Leave false god as it is?
pink_panther
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Keep the old set bonuses for the normal and perfected Version? Also maybe post a reason why Yes or No. Please provide constructive Feedback.
Edit:This is my opinion. I voted yes because it makes no sense to take sth away from a set and compare the perfected version to a non perfected set that drops in normal. They could just make a perf version of the stam set instead of nerfing a hard and annoying to get set like false god.
Edit 2:
Voting No means not only that you want it nerfed but maybe changed in another way.
Was Not smart enough to add a 3rd poll for this
Edited by pink_panther on July 23, 2020 4:47PM Edit:This is my opinion. I voted yes because it makes no sense to take sth away from a set and compare the perfected version to a non perfected set that drops in normal. They could just make a perf version of the stam set instead of nerfing a hard and annoying to get set like false god.
Edit 2:
Voting No means not only that you want it nerfed but maybe changed in another way.
Was Not smart enough to add a 3rd poll for this
Leave false god as it is? 150 votes
Yes
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128 votes
No
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martijnlv40✭✭✭YesIt’s a really good set, but it’s not the highest dps set or something. It’s a really good set to aspire to get, to grind for, and it ups the floor. Just give VO a perfected version, only dropping on last boss of vet Craglorn trials. Do something with the other stam set they named the unperfected version of VO, and honestly everyone is happy.4
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yesmartijnlv40 wrote: »It’s a really good set, but it’s not the highest dps set or something. It’s a really good set to aspire to get, to grind for, and it ups the floor. Just give VO a perfected version, only dropping on last boss of vet Craglorn trials. Do something with the other stam set they named the unperfected version of VO, and honestly everyone is happy.
Add an extra challenge to Craglorn trials, like a hidden boss, and I like this idea.
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Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭
No, as soon as you are doing that, you have to give all trials perfected versions. Beside that, nobody really cares about VO anyway, because stam doesn't have sustain issues.martijnlv40 wrote: »...Do something with the other stam set they named the unperfected version of VO, and honestly everyone is happy.
FGD is a new set - there is a perfected version, that needs an additional bonus, of course. That's enough to leave the set like it is.
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karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesGive VO perfected and then swap the sets for people. Since Normal/Perfected exists in one form already I see no reason not too. Then swap loot tables to match.3 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
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No, as soon as you are doing that, you have to give all trials perfected versions. Beside that, nobody really cares about VO anyway, because stam doesn't have sustain issues.martijnlv40 wrote: »...Do something with the other stam set they named the unperfected version of VO, and honestly everyone is happy.
FGD is a new set - there is a perfected version, that needs an additional bonus, of course. That's enough to leave the set like it is.
Other than maws all trials basically have perfected versions. Im all for a perfected VO IE etc0 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesMettaricana wrote: »
No, as soon as you are doing that, you have to give all trials perfected versions. Beside that, nobody really cares about VO anyway, because stam doesn't have sustain issues.martijnlv40 wrote: »...Do something with the other stam set they named the unperfected version of VO, and honestly everyone is happy.
FGD is a new set - there is a perfected version, that needs an additional bonus, of course. That's enough to leave the set like it is.
Other than maws all trials basically have perfected versions. Im all for a perfected VO IE etc
HoF too IIRC. This is the only thing that would irk me. If they swap HoF loot make new people farm it <Since its better on different classes> then 6 months later add perfected lol.Edited by karekiz on July 23, 2020 1:34PM1 -
Jodynn✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesThis set in no way is over powered on live and I will probably only use in specific cases like normal dungeons or vMA.Jodynn PC NA
PvE and PvP MagDK
The lack of communication from ZOS to player speaks volumes.0 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭YesYes and no. Leave the 8% cost reduction, but get rid of the major expedition and magicka recovery upon enemy death. Keep the magicka bonus for the perfected version. This would get rid of a couple of extra stats which seems to bother some people. Also, it would keep most of the important stats, and make the perfected version worth the trouble of farming, keeping VSS relevant.0
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Yespink_panther wrote: »Keep the old set bonuses for the normal and perfected Version? Also maybe post a reason why Yes or No.
Edit: I voted yes because it makes no sense to take sth away from a set and compare the perfected version to a non perfected set that drops in normal. They could just make a perf version of the stam set instead of nerving a hard and annoying to get set like false god.
I'm glad we as players are coming together to avoid this unnecessary change thank you all!!!0 -
YesYes and no. Leave the 8% cost reduction, but get rid of the major expedition and magicka recovery upon enemy death. Keep the magicka bonus for the perfected version. This would get rid of a couple of extra stats which seems to bother some people. Also, it would keep most of the important stats, and make the perfected version worth the trouble of farming, keeping VSS relevant.
hmmmm i have better idea how about no.2 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭YesThe logic behind the nerf doesn't match the gameplay effort. If the real reason behind this is to go after PFG because it's BiS for mag in pretty much all content then they need to instead look at adjusting sustain to make it more reasonable. There are more powerful sets which is why people don't parse with PFG but in content they are not practical especially since bfb is getting destroyed which made sustain possible at the cost of range and some player risk....
Edit: typoEdited by IonicKai on July 23, 2020 3:21PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If the poll is intended to sway Zos then I hate to bear such bad news. It does not provide the constructive feedback Zos has said they are interested in seeing.0 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭YesIf the poll is intended to sway Zos then I hate to bear such bad news. It does not provide the constructive feedback Zos has said they are interested in seeing.
I agree which is why I have tried going to every thread about this topic and mention that the comparison between VO and perfected false gods doesn't make sense. The base premise that VO is perfected quick serpent seems silly just considering that VO drops from all 3 crags on normal and quick serpent only drops from one of the crag trials. The comparison seems like a justification to punish a BiS gear set instead of a proper comparison of gear power levels.2 -
Treb_U_Shae✭✭YesWhy is that even a reason to vote no? That makes no sense at all. Sustain is going to be a joke if this gets nerfed.1
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HertoginJanneke✭✭✭✭YesDon't touch the False God Devotion set, because False God Devotion for magicka users works exactly the same as Vicous Ophidian for stamina users. Just add Perfected sets for all the Craglorn trial (and all the other trials that are missing those perfected sets on veteran mode). It can be done because if you can add Perfected Arena weapons in the last chapter, you can also add Perfected Craglon Trials gear in the next DLC. 3 years (I think) after adding the first perfected gear in veteran trials it is about time to do so.0
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HertoginJanneke✭✭✭✭Yes
No, as soon as you are doing that, you have to give all trials perfected versions. Beside that, nobody really cares about VO anyway, because stam doesn't have sustain issues.martijnlv40 wrote: »...Do something with the other stam set they named the unperfected version of VO, and honestly everyone is happy.
FGD is a new set - there is a perfected version, that needs an additional bonus, of course. That's enough to leave the set like it is.
Nobody ? I like the VO set and still use it, and I think there are more who do, so do not speak for others.
And I think that 3 years after adding perfected gear on veteran mode of the new trials it is about time that the older trials get perfected gear on veteran mode too (and while doing that, add the slayer buffs to the sets that dont have it yet, like the Advancing Yokeda set).Edited by HertoginJanneke on July 24, 2020 12:01PM1 -
Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭HertoginJanneke wrote: »Nobody ? I like the VO set and still use it, and I think there are more who do, so do not speak for others.
And I think that 3 years after adding perfected gear on veteran mode of the new trials it is about time that the older trials get perfected gear on veteran mode too (and while doing that, add the slayer buffs to the sets that dont have it yet, like the Advancing Yokeda set).
You use it in trials? - probably not. And for normal dungeons, it doesn't really matter, if you have 1000 more stamina or not, so almost nobody would start farming a perfected version because of that.
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itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »
Top end vet trials will run whatever is the META for the current patch. It has ONLY been a magicka meta for Greymoor simply because of Thrassians and BFB. The patch before and likely the patch after will see the return of stamina meta.~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~1 -
HertoginJanneke✭✭✭✭YesHertoginJanneke wrote: »Nobody ? I like the VO set and still use it, and I think there are more who do, so do not speak for others.
And I think that 3 years after adding perfected gear on veteran mode of the new trials it is about time that the older trials get perfected gear on veteran mode too (and while doing that, add the slayer buffs to the sets that dont have it yet, like the Advancing Yokeda set).
You use it in trials? - probably not. And for normal dungeons, it doesn't really matter, if you have 1000 more stamina or not, so almost nobody would start farming a perfected version because of that.
On some characters, I still do. I know it isn't the best set, but I don't care, I like the way it works. I play the game how I want to play it to have fun, not how others want me to play it without having fun. But if 1.000 or so more stamina does not really matter, I think you can also say that it also applies for magicka and heal;th, which means all the perfected gear can be stripped of these buffs, just to level all these sets. No more farming for Perfected False God, Perfected Master Architect, Perfected Yolnahkriin and whatever Perfected sets there are.
In the end, I think we can agree we disagree on the subject :-)Edited by HertoginJanneke on July 27, 2020 9:28AM0 -
Playboy_Shrek✭✭✭Nosorry but having 3 , 5 item passives is absurd. it needs a nerf. remove one of the 5 item passives.0
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gronoxvx✭✭✭✭✭YesLeave it as it is.
Also, please dont give the crag sets a perfected version. They can barely get it right with the current sets let alone adding in more sets to have to balance each patch.0 -
PureEnvelope35✭✭✭✭YesPlayboy_Shrek wrote: »
No all top end trials use magicka classes because they're ranged with ranged cleave damage as well you [snip]
[Edited to remove Flaming]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 27, 2020 10:56AMFashion is the true endgame.PC EU1 -
Playboy_Shrek✭✭✭NoPureEnvelope35 wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »
No all top end trials use magicka classes because they're ranged with ranged cleave damage as well you [snip]
the point is that thats a strength, so am not sure what your point is.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 27, 2020 10:56AM0 -
martijnlv40✭✭✭YesI've thought about it some more, and my first point of it not being the highest DPS set still stands. Where this set is good however, is that it provides infinite sustain for any fight with adds. That makes it a no-brainer for for example Maelstrom. Maybe the best way to nerf it is to remove the magicka gain on dying enemies. Maybe change the cost reduction to 7% (which is the same as the Breton race) as well, but overall it's a really well-rounded set, of which there are not many. With the changes to Magnus' Gift (15% chance of not spending magicka on a ability!!), this set definitely isn't the one go-to sustain set anymore.
Another change that can go hand-in-hand with keeping False God's Devotion the same, is changing the magicka recovery bonuses of Magnus' Gift and The Seducer sets to spell damage/max magicka/spell crit. This way there will be more well-rounded sets, and the choice becomes less obvious and more dependent on the content.0 -
OmniDo✭✭✭✭✭Yes
This should not be surprising to the community though.itsfatbass wrote: »Top end vet trials will run whatever is the META for the current patch. It has ONLY been a magicka meta for Greymoor simply because of Thrassians and BFB. The patch before and likely the patch after will see the return of stamina meta.
META is math, and math never fails.
But META is also relegated to perfectionists and overachievers, if only to satisfy their own standards for accomplishment.
Everyone needs to remember that this is a game, and the sole purpose of any game is to win.
The old catch-phrase "It's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game." is just lip-service for the losers; a deliberate deceit designed to promote continued play, regardless of the likelihood of victory.
Although standards for victory may vary among participants, objective "success" is established by the game-masters (designers), and within the boundaries of the playing field (rules), anything which permits success is valid.
Very few participants play games fully expecting to lose, and even fewer play games with the deliberate intention to do so repeatedly.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesPlayboy_Shrek wrote: »sorry but having 3 , 5 item passives is absurd. it needs a nerf. remove one of the 5 item passives.
Just combine the 5pc bonus to be 258 Spell Damage + 8% Cost Reduction on PFGD or 129 Spell Damage + 8% Cost Reduction on FGD. I wasn’t aware that the number of lines of text was bothering anyone, but this would solve the problem.3
