Datamining for Darkstorm.

TheynT · July 2020

Cameron991 wrote: »

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Thannazzar wrote: »

So if we are getting the Reach what will be the bonus content in the q4 2020 release?

- for Clockwork City we got Transmutation.
- for Murkmire we got a new arena.
- for Southern Elsweyr we got a new hub and faction dailies.

Any ideas?

Transmutation was a game changer, a new arena was fun but nothing big, and southern elsweyr didn't add anything except for better dragons imo. I hope they throw in something cool though.

I think it would be cool to have more faction quest like a vampire hunter like the dawn guard. I’m not sure when the dawnguard were disbanded but Ik they were formed in the second era. That would be pretty cool imo I mean it would be cool to have some dawn guard armor and stuff like that. I’m sure that won’t happen though

We haven't found anything referring to the Dawnguard in the gamefiles and with Ravenwatch we already seem to have our faction for Q4. Sorry

SlimeBro1 · July 2020

TheynT wrote: »

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Cameron991 wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Thannazzar wrote: »

So if we are getting the Reach what will be the bonus content in the q4 2020 release?

- for Clockwork City we got Transmutation.
- for Murkmire we got a new arena.
- for Southern Elsweyr we got a new hub and faction dailies.

Any ideas?

Transmutation was a game changer, a new arena was fun but nothing big, and southern elsweyr didn't add anything except for better dragons imo. I hope they throw in something cool though.

I think it would be cool to have more faction quest like a vampire hunter like the dawn guard. I’m not sure when the dawnguard were disbanded but Ik they were formed in the second era. That would be pretty cool imo I mean it would be cool to have some dawn guard armor and stuff like that. I’m sure that won’t happen though

We haven't found anything referring to the Dawnguard in the gamefiles and with Ravenwatch we already seem to have our faction for Q4. Sorry

Surprised there's nothing regarding the deathhunters. The new group of vampire/werewolf hunters with unique abilities that have popped up with Greymoor.

Syldras · July 2020

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red_emu wrote: »

So no Whiterun 😭

We've known before Greymoor even released that The Reach was going to be the Q4 adventure zone. This isn't a surprise.

The only thing I'm wondering about is why they release several Whiterun-themed crown store objects then.

Nemesis7884 · July 2020

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Taleof2Cities wrote: »

ZOS has already confirmed "The Reach" for Q4 ... there's no speculation or conjecture up for debate here.

Sure. My fear was just that we would only get Markarth and the immediate area around it with most of the content being a new area of Blackreach. It's great to see that we're still getting the entire Reach in addition to more Blackreach content as well.
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Nemesis7884 wrote: »

its also a bit weird to be hoenst, I mean what lies between western and eastern skyrim? Middle skyrim? who rules there?

Is White run ruled by a third King or who does it belong to?

We meet the Jarl of Whiterun, Jarl Morryn, in Greymoor. She's trying to make peace between Eastern and Western Skyrim so presumably Whiterun is sufficiently stable and peaceful for her to be able to focus on issues outside its borders.

Falkreath is under attack by the Reach, which just leaves Dawnstar and Winterhold which, being isolated, are probably just doing their own thing.

the story was so forgettable that i cant even remember her

TheynT · July 2020

Syldras wrote: »

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ArchMikem wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

So no Whiterun 😭

We've known before Greymoor even released that The Reach was going to be the Q4 adventure zone. This isn't a surprise.

The only thing I'm wondering about is why they release several Whiterun-themed crown store objects then.

We assume its mostly for nostalgia reasons. 'cause we'll surely get more Reach themed things in Q4, they had a free slot to fill with items. But all those Whiterun Assets might surely be reused if they are ever going to do a Whiterun Zone.

Personally I also don't understand how some people wished for Whiterun as the Q4 Zone DLC. With all the love Whiterun gets from the community, it would rather deserve a chapter of its own.

Syldras · July 2020

Personally, I'm totally fine with the Reach. Curious to see how Markarth will look like, also Nchuand-Zel, the Dwemer ruin right beneath.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

the story was so forgettable that i cant even remember her

It was the quest with Rigurt the "diplomat"

Elsonso · July 2020

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

Surprised there's nothing regarding the deathhunters. The new group of vampire/werewolf hunters with unique abilities that have popped up with Greymoor.

These people are a back drop for the game. They are random encounters. A facade, like the distant mountains that are just "painted on the wall". They won't turn into anything important unless ZOS decides they need to do that for some future reason.

InaMoonlight · July 2020

Loved Whiterun so much I built my chars first house there, uh it would be nice if we could get a 400-600 slots house there in the style...

TX12001rwb17_ESO · July 2020

Cameron991 wrote: »

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BRCOURTN wrote: »

Thannazzar wrote: »

So if we are getting the Reach what will be the bonus content in the q4 2020 release?

- for Clockwork City we got Transmutation.
- for Murkmire we got a new arena.
- for Southern Elsweyr we got a new hub and faction dailies.

Any ideas?

Transmutation was a game changer, a new arena was fun but nothing big, and southern elsweyr didn't add anything except for better dragons imo. I hope they throw in something cool though.

I think it would be cool to have more faction quest like a vampire hunter like the dawn guard. I’m not sure when the dawnguard were disbanded but Ik they were formed in the second era. That would be pretty cool imo I mean it would be cool to have some dawn guard armor and stuff like that. I’m sure that won’t happen though

Not really because of the way ZOS handles things, if we got some sort of founding of the Dawnguard you can guarantee the player would be shoehorned into the role of a Vampire Hunter without an choice even if they were a Vampire themselves unlike Skyrim's Dawnguard DLC where you had a branching questline where you could join the Volkihar Clan instead.

TheynT · July 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not really because of the way ZOS handles things, if we got some sort of founding of the Dawnguard you can guarantee the player would be shoehorned into the role of a Vampire Hunter even if they were a Vampire themselves unlike Skyrim's Dawnguard DLC where you had a branching questline where you could join the Volkihar Clan instead.

The Dawnguard already exists - or existed, since it was already disbanded. One of their skills made it into the Fighters Guild Skilltree.

kathandira · July 2020

Gaius_Marius wrote: »

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red_emu wrote: »

So no Whiterun 😭

We've known about this for some time since they hinted of the Reach since the reveal stream of Greymoor. Unless you wish Whiterun to be Reachmen that is.
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tomofhyrule wrote: »

Interesting. I'd seen the name 'Darkstorm' around once, but I didn't know where it came from.

I liked Markarth back in Skyrim (might be the Orc in me). I'm really interested to see how it turns out here, and especially to see how far it goes. I'm really liking how Greymoor's handled the Reachmen so far, and I'm interested to see more about this Timbercrow clan. I really want to see this costume that's coming up soon - Siege Merits were not too difficult to earn, but the one costume you can get for them is... kinda not that good looking. This one though? I'm intrigued, but all we have is a tiny icon of the female version - but it might be one of those shirtless barbarian outfits we all want to show off our tattoos with (especially since the next crates have some nice tats coming as well)

If I recall the Reachmens writing hasn't been the best given how all of them come off as evil even in Karthwatch.
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Even when that whole story involves the Nords having stolen a Reachmen child. So there's a chance of more Evil Ayleid Reachmen.

When I did the quest where the Reachmen abducted the person, I really was hoping for an option to not return her.

KingArthasMenethil · July 2020

In regards to the Dawnguard I only see them as being part of a dungeon DLC during ESO. Plus it may actually tell us who is the Jarl of the Rift

MaisonNaevius · July 2020

For the jarl of the Rift, it's not a case like the absence of a jarl but a governing council ? I myself was surprised at the absence of a jarl there. And it's quite unsettling.

The area between Western Skyrim and Eastmarch / the Rift will be released one day. It will certainly be a Chapter.
It remains to be seen if this will be quite a Chapter or if a city will be ruled out for a Q4 DLC. I suspect Solstheim to be the Q4 DLC.
Note that the map will probably be called "Eastern Skyrim". Which would make sense since the region belongs to the kingdom of Jorunn.

For Falkreath. We know that at the time of the DLC he still belonged to the Western Kingdom of Svargrim. We have since had Greymoor but learn that Falkreath is no longer part of the kingdom.
Whiterun joined Jorunn. Falkreath ... We don't know. Either Jorunn or Colovia.

The Nordic barbarians? In a sense yes, but I find the Nordics relatively civilized (notion of civilization close to the imperial ones).
No ... A real barbaric civilization are the reachmen. I hope that Zos will present to us this "civilization" so different from ours without having to make it into savage enemies without us learning anything.

There will necessarily be an interesting intrigue internally.
What position does Markarth's despot occupy ? Did the Icereach Coven impose themselves as a tyrant ? What role will the Timbercrows play ?
Hoping to see several tribes. Not just Icereach Coven and Timbercrows, that would be too easy.
Curious to see the Reach in full possession of the reachmen.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · July 2020

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

that also means that a large portion between eastern and western skyrim remains open..was hoping this update would close that and reveal / finish all of skyrim on the map...

its also a bit weird to be hoenst, I mean what lies between western and eastern skyrim? Middle skyrim? who rules there?

Is White run ruled by a third King or who does it belong to?

And why is the area between eastern and western Skyrim so huge? If you look on the map of Skyrim it should only contain the slim sliver containing whiterun and dawnstar...

One sidequest in greymoor (i think its the riggurt one) basicly comfirmed that whiterun is part of eastern skyrim
The pale and falkreat hold(exept the town of the same name) are also missing

Nemesis7884 · July 2020

Syldras wrote: »

Personally, I'm totally fine with the Reach. Curious to see how Markarth will look like, also Nchuand-Zel, the Dwemer ruin right beneath.
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Nemesis7884 wrote: »

the story was so forgettable that i cant even remember her

It was the quest with Rigurt the "diplomat"

oooh true i remember that

I am looking forward to markarth dont get me wrong - excited for that (hope its in!)

that being said I really hope they will also close the gap in between at a future date with falkreath (freeing falkreath from a reach invasion could be a cool story), whiterun and winterhold...would be a real shame if not...

KingArthasMenethil · July 2020

Maki2859 wrote: »

For the jarl of the Rift, it's not a case like the absence of a jarl but a governing council ? I myself was surprised at the absence of a jarl there. And it's quite unsettling.

The area between Western Skyrim and Eastmarch / the Rift will be released one day. It will certainly be a Chapter.
It remains to be seen if this will be quite a Chapter or if a city will be ruled out for a Q4 DLC. I suspect Solstheim to be the Q4 DLC.
Note that the map will probably be called "Eastern Skyrim". Which would make sense since the region belongs to the kingdom of Jorunn.

For Falkreath. We know that at the time of the DLC he still belonged to the Western Kingdom of Svargrim. We have since had Greymoor but learn that Falkreath is no longer part of the kingdom.
Whiterun joined Jorunn. Falkreath ... We don't know. Either Jorunn or Colovia.

The Nordic barbarians? In a sense yes, but I find the Nordics relatively civilized (notion of civilization close to the imperial ones).
No ... A real barbaric civilization are the reachmen. I hope that Zos will present to us this "civilization" so different from ours without having to make it into savage enemies without us learning anything.

There will necessarily be an interesting intrigue internally.
What position does Markarth's despot occupy ? Did the Icereach Coven impose themselves as a tyrant ? What role will the Timbercrows play ?
Hoping to see several tribes. Not just Icereach Coven and Timbercrows, that would be too easy.
Curious to see the Reach in full possession of the reachmen.

There is a Jarl of the Rift. If i recall a Jarl gets mentioned by title in the Greymoor Prologue
Goharth Ironbelly: "You promised a vampire would turn me! Make good on our deal or I'll report this to the jarl!"- said in the Ratway.

Falkreath I don't even know if it's even canon to have anything Colovian there given ESO and Skyrim hasn't brought it up and are more doubling down on Nords who celebrate death. Plus Bruma being Nord then Nibenese cutting off Colovias border with Falkreath.

tomofhyrule · July 2020

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

freeing falkreath from a reach invasion could be a cool story

But we had that exact story. It came out three years ago.

This is another reason that solo dungeons for story should absolutely be a thing. The story of Falkreath Hold entails it being taken over by the Dreadhorn clan of Reachmen and trying to save it from them, after which Eerika is proclaimed Jarl. Unfortunately, like most dungeon quests, all people know of it is "Bum rush the bosses to kill the final boss. Story? What's that?"

I'm most excited to see what the Reach has in store, particularly since these datamines look like there's a lot more happening above ground than not. I've never been hugely into the Falmer stuff, but the Reach clans could be interesting, especially since we see Reachmen in a lot of the zone stories, but they're all pretty generic enemies. I'm loving the new voices they have in Greymoor, and I'm interested to see how they fit into the vampirism storyline, especially since they'd fit much better with werewolves as followers of Hircine.

But I did love Whiterun in Skyrim. Whiterun though seems to always take a neutral stance since it's central. Based on some obscure pieces of lore, Whiterun and Falkreath are both part of Western Skyrim at the time (the tooltip for the "Western Skyrim Scout Outfit" mentions it's worn by scouts in Haafingar, Whiterun, and Falkreath; and the 'Meet the Character' for Eerika mentions how she and her hold are loyal to Svargrim, and also mentions Rorikstead as a location). The Loremaster even stated as such in an interview.

Thing is, there's not much more they can do with Whiterun since it's not a major quest location. ESO focuses on the two high kings, and they're in Windhelm and Solitude respectively. Whiterun was important in TESV:Skyrim, but it's really just a central location here with nothing too important going on. Even the land around it is pretty flat and uneventful. Now that the big storylines for the two kings are done, Whiterun's kind of just sitting there as nostalgia bait. The Companions are in the Rift now (Lore states that some are in Jorrvaskr, but Kyrnil Long-Nose brings the true companions and storms it in the late 2nd era), so that may not be in this timeframe. I think the datamined stuff on Whiterun is more for nostalgia's sake, since it's really important to most TES:V players as their first major city, but in the world of ESO it's really not that important - relegated to only a single quest with our resident joke.

And can we complain that the Jarl of Whiterun is wearing the Solitude Jarl's gear with the Wolf medallions? Shouldn't she have horses? Or is this her way of showing deference to her high king, since Whiterun follows the Wolf of Solitude?

Now, there's also Dawnstar and Winterhold, both technically belonging to Jorunn. They weren't really all that important in TES:V, but I know a lot of people are dying to see Winterhold before the collapse. Dawnstar's got pretty well nothing in lore at all.

RemanCyrodiil_I · July 2020

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Aptonoth · July 2020

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Loved Whiterun so much I built my chars first house there, uh it would be nice if we could get a 400-600 slots house there in the style...

We'll have to wait for more Skyrim it wont be next year thats for sure lol. Cyrodil is basically confirmed > then its either BM or HM > then the last one. Finally after all that we can begin to go back to provinces with gaps to fill in. My bet is they will start with Morrowind as its been the longest time without content but who knows.

KingArthasMenethil · July 2020

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Gaius_Marius wrote: »

Falkreath I don't even know if it's even canon to have anything Colovian there given ESO and Skyrim hasn't brought it up and are more doubling down on Nords who celebrate death. Plus Bruma being Nord then Nibenese cutting off Colovias border with Falkreath.

Falkreath becomes part of the Colovian Estates sometime after ESO. King Cuhlecain started as the ruler of Falkreath and reunited Colovia and eventually the whole of Cyrodiil with his general, Talos.

Falkreath was apart of Colovia before the events of ESO and during Remans time from the Remanda.
Falkreath is a Full Nord place with no Imperial influence
I feel the issue with Falkreath has been more Bethesdas writing for Imperial Culture it's like they don't want to do anything with them at all (like the Bretons).
ZoS has put more effort into them given the Colovian and Nibenese furnishings (Nibenese got renamed to Imperial and the Colovian one got yeeted from player access), architecture and etc. But when we get to Falkreath or hear of it there is zero Colovian or Imperial stuff there.
Then this line from that cheese book "The people of Falkreath seem to earnestly appreciate their hold's longstanding association with battle and death." for me is them going with what TES5 did and just ignoring anything that Hold had to do with Colovia.

bluebird · July 2020

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RemanCyrodiil_I wrote: »

Gaius_Marius wrote: »

Falkreath I don't even know if it's even canon to have anything Colovian there given ESO and Skyrim hasn't brought it up and are more doubling down on Nords who celebrate death. Plus Bruma being Nord then Nibenese cutting off Colovias border with Falkreath.

Falkreath becomes part of the Colovian Estates sometime after ESO. King Cuhlecain started as the ruler of Falkreath and reunited Colovia and eventually the whole of Cyrodiil with his general, Talos.

ZoS has put more effort into them given the Colovian and Nibenese furnishings (Nibenese got renamed to Imperial and the Colovian one got yeeted from player access), architecture and etc.

That only applies to the Lamps. There were two types of Imperial lamps, and the player-obtainable one was decided to be the second one as below. So we can get lamps that match Grand Linchal for example, but not lamps that match Strident Springs, Domus Phrasticus, Cyrodillic Jungle House.

But to say that Imperial furniture doubled down on Nibenese isn't entirely correct, because almost all Imperial furniture are just a recolor of Breton (apart from that lamp above and some Divine's banners). Breton is already a disappointment, as many Alinor style items should have been Breton instead (as they are straight-up High Medieval-Gothic Western European pieces), and Imperial is a double disappointment because it's just a copy of Breton. So neither Colovian nor Nibenese styles are represented ingame. And they should be, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for next year.

I hope we see some proper wonderful Imperial content finally!

RemanCyrodiil_I · July 2020

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MaisonNaevius · July 2020

Strident Springs, Domus Phrasticus, Cyrodillic Jungle House... are second Empire architecture. No colovian X)

I don't know if we'll have the furniture from the Second Empire.

One thing is certain ... We will have new furniture. The architecture of the Second Empire could be abandoned ... Even if Istirus adopts it (exception?).

I have also heard of the new "Battlemage" class. It seems that like the Wargen, he was known during the beta of the game. Why was he never mentioned? It was said that only the Warden existed. Suddenly I am quite dubious on the question.
But if "Battlemage" turns out to be true, Nibenay has his chances ...

bluebird · July 2020

Maki2859 wrote: »

Strident Springs, Domus Phrasticus, Cyrodillic Jungle House... are second Empire architecture. No colovian X)

I don't know if we'll have the furniture from the Second Empire.

One thing is certain ... We will have new furniture. The architecture of the Second Empire could be abandoned ... Even if Istirus adopts it (exception?).

Colovia has the second Empire style in this period, therefore from the two Imperial styles that we see ingame, the main Imperial style is Colovian (Domus Phrasticus, Cyrodillic Jungle House, Strident Springs). All the cities in Cyrodiil that are part of Colovia are shown to use second Empire architecture too. The ingame Imperial architecture that you dub 'second Empire not Colovian' has clear similarities to Oblivion's Skingrad and Chorrol for example which are part of Colovia.

The issue with creating Colovian will be its potential overlap with Breton. As we see in Oblivion, many of the architecture features are pretty generic (stone, white plaster walls with exposed beams, etc), which is already similar to Breton castles and houses. So if they want to make a style that is clearly not Nibenese, does not overlap with the Colovian style we currently see ingame in Colovia, and will be distinct enough from Breton so that everyone can tell at first glance that it's supposed to be Imperial, it will be a challenge. Don't get me wrong, I hope they succeed, but it would be far more challenging than doubling down on Nibenese which is very distinct already.

MaisonNaevius · July 2020

See it in a simpler way.

The architecture of the Second Empire has been defined in the Strident Springs presentation. The idea of "Colovian architecture" is a misinterpretation of a book by the uesp. Indeed, "Colovian" is the resource that made it possible to build the city of Arenthia. Not the architecture name.

There are similarities, but don't forget ... It's still overall imperial. And there are several variations.
Currently, the Second Empire style is adopted by Kvatch, Chorrol, Cheydinhal, Istirus, Arenthia, Elinhir, South Point, Lilmoth, Black Rose.
Skingrad will probably adopt the same architecture as in TES IV. An architecture that is typically Colovian "colovian ancestral architecture".
The "Nibenese" style is adopted by Anvil and Gideon. Hackdirt, Vlastarus, Cropsford too.

Chorrol and Cheydinhal will grow up. The architecture will also change. In the immediate future, it will be either a renovation (repair) of the Second Empire style, or the architecture of TES IV or something in between.
Bruma currently has the architecture defined as "the new doors of Windhelm" (I don't know if that's the way it is in English). Architecture also adopted by Windhelm, Falkreath, Riften ... These cities will also evolve.
Bruma will have to evolve too.

(I am digressing about cities in PvP but ...
Chorrol : No mention about Aquilarios.
Bruma : No mention about second Legion or Colovian Revolt.
Cheydinhal : No mention about House Tharn.
Vlastarus : No mention about Skingrad or Vlastarus cohort.)

KingArthasMenethil · July 2020

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Gaius_Marius wrote: »

RemanCyrodiil_I wrote: »

Gaius_Marius wrote: »

Falkreath I don't even know if it's even canon to have anything Colovian there given ESO and Skyrim hasn't brought it up and are more doubling down on Nords who celebrate death. Plus Bruma being Nord then Nibenese cutting off Colovias border with Falkreath.

Falkreath becomes part of the Colovian Estates sometime after ESO. King Cuhlecain started as the ruler of Falkreath and reunited Colovia and eventually the whole of Cyrodiil with his general, Talos.

ZoS has put more effort into them given the Colovian and Nibenese furnishings (Nibenese got renamed to Imperial and the Colovian one got yeeted from player access), architecture and etc.

That only applies to the Lamps. There were two types of Imperial lamps, and the player-obtainable one was decided to be the second one as below. So we can get lamps that match Grand Linchal for example, but not lamps that match Strident Springs, Domus Phrasticus, Cyrodillic Jungle House.

But to say that Imperial furniture doubled down on Nibenese isn't entirely correct, because almost all Imperial furniture are just a recolor of Breton (apart from that lamp above and some Divine's banners). Breton is already a disappointment, as many Alinor style items should have been Breton instead (as they are straight-up High Medieval-Gothic Western European pieces), and Imperial is a double disappointment because it's just a copy of Breton. So neither Colovian nor Nibenese styles are represented ingame. And they should be, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for next year. I hope we see some proper wonderful Imperial content finally!

There was Colovian and Nibenese furnishings the issues is they cut the Colovian one and renamed the Nibenese to Imperial (it still comes up under Nibenese if you use the search tool).
Example

Now the Furnishings that were only seperated on the PTS back in the day
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/320195/imperial-furnishing-plans
"The Imperial furniture in the crown store does not match the Imperial houses we currently have in game, the correct furniture was available at the start of the PTS cycle but at some point they renamed the Nibenese furniture to Imperial "to avoid confusion" which then replaced all the furniture that was previously named Imperial (Colovian style I believe) that matched the houses. This was reported many times during the PTS cycle but was not reverted."

MaisonNaevius · July 2020

You say that the "green" furniture was called "imperial" and the "red" furniture that we have was "nibenese" before becoming "imperial".
Why not have named it "colovian".

It is unfortunate that "green" furniture is not available.

In fact, I think they wanted to make the "red" furniture related to Anvil available first. I think they planned to release the "green" furniture later since the architecture of the Second Empire was likely to be revised in the future more easily than the Nibenese architecture.
However ... The current trend is towards completely new architectures and therefore new furniture.

I don't know what Skingrad must have looked like at the very beginning. The current trend is similar to Solitude: the same architecture as in TES IV but much better (the Skingrad of TES IV, like Solitude of TES V will look like cities on the decline compared to their respective version on ESO).

I don't know if they'll release the "Second Empire" furniture. We will undoubtedly have "Colovian" furniture linked to Skingrad and Colovian Estates.
Bravil and Leyawiin will also have a similar image to TES IV. Logically of course. And neither of them corresponds to the Nibenese architecture.

TheynT · July 2020

Maki2859 wrote: »

You say that the "green" furniture was called "imperial" and the "red" furniture that we have was "nibenese" before becoming "imperial".
Why not have named it "colovian".

It is unfortunate that "green" furniture is not available.

In fact, I think they wanted to make the "red" furniture related to Anvil available first. I think they planned to release the "green" furniture later since the architecture of the Second Empire was likely to be revised in the future more easily than the Nibenese architecture.
However ... The current trend is towards completely new architectures and therefore new furniture.

I don't know what Skingrad must have looked like at the very beginning. The current trend is similar to Solitude: the same architecture as in TES IV but much better (the Skingrad of TES IV, like Solitude of TES V will look like cities on the decline compared to their respective version on ESO).

I don't know if they'll release the "Second Empire" furniture. We will undoubtedly have "Colovian" furniture linked to Skingrad and Colovian Estates.
Bravil and Leyawiin will also have a similar image to TES IV. Logically of course. And neither of them corresponds to the Nibenese architecture.

If I may shine a little more light on this whole dilemma:
The architecture division in Cyrodiil is seriously cursed.
City: Architecture | actual culture
Anvil: Nibenese | Colovian
Kvatch: Colovian | Colovian
Skingrad: ? | Colovian
Chorrol: Colovian | Colovian
Bravil: Nordic (entirely) | Nibenese-Colovian-Nordic
Imperial City: Heartlands | Heartlands
Cheydinhal: Colovian | Nibenese (actually it's the "capital" of Nibenay)
Bravil: Colovian | Nibenese
Leyawiin: ? | Nibenese

What you describe as "Second Empire" is really just colovian. ESOs colovian architecture is based upon Skingrads architecture in TES4.
So we got a wild mix of architectures in-game right now.

As for furniture:
The original "nibenese" furniture was rebranded to imperial furniture at release. It is however still named "nibenese" in the game files.
There are some "colovian" furniture things in the game files by now, mostly things that were added with and are thematically close to the DLC Dark brotherhood. (So DB and Order of the Hour things).

TheynT · July 2020

If I may shine a little more light on this whole dilemma:
The architecture division in Cyrodiil is seriously cursed.
City: Architecture | actual culture
Anvil: Nibenese | Colovian
Kvatch: Colovian | Colovian
Skingrad: ? | Colovian
Chorrol: Colovian | Colovian
Bruma: Nordic (entirely) | Nibenese-Colovian-Nordic
Imperial City: Heartlands | Heartlands
Cheydinhal: Colovian | Nibenese (actually it's the "capital" of Nibenay)
Bravil: Colovian | Nibenese
Leyawiin: ? | Nibenese

What you describe as "Second Empire" is really just colovian. ESOs colovian architecture is based upon Skingrads architecture in TES4.
So we got a wild mix of architectures in-game right now.

As for furniture:
The original "nibenese" furniture was rebranded to imperial furniture at release. It is however still named "nibenese" in the game files.
There are some "colovian" furniture things in the game files by now, mostly things that were added with and are thematically close to the DLC Dark brotherhood. (So DB and Order of the Hour things).[/quote]

KingArthasMenethil · July 2020

And I get ninjad by Theyn so i'll shorten it to this
Colovian Furnishings found on live.

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