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Does Zenimax listen to the community?

  • Athyrium93
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    All of the options in the poll are very extremist, and frankly unhelpful. ZOS isn't perfect in any way, but I think they do try to listen to feed back. I don't necessarily think they do a good job of it, and often just make things worse, but they do try. I also think they are trying to fix performance issues, and yet again making things worse as they mess with the code.
    I imagine everyone working on the game is just as annoyed as everyone playing the game about the performance issues. I'd bet that they have a lot of awesome ideas that they can't implement because it would break the servers. And servers are expensive. It would be a massive undertaking to replace them, one that I doubt the corporate overlords are willing to consider as long as there are any other options, even bad ones.
  • Nemesis7884
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    They do listen to some portion of the community some amount of time :-)
  • Rahar
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    Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
    It's not hard to see that ZOS has their own vision of the game. While they do occasionally listen (poll didn't provide middle ground) such as on the light attack/heavy attack changes, it's only after outright community uproar that we typically get attention on issues, no matter how pressing. Sometimes, even with community uproar, promises are only made to appease and it can be a while before actual changes are seen, like with performance. We're still waiting on those changes.

    Furthermore and in the same vein, its also not hard to see that this company cares more about attracting new customers vs. retaining current ones. The game is a revolving door.
    NeRf MaGsOrC
  • slicksteezin
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    Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
    Stupid poll options. But I think the general consensus speaks for itself.

    [snip]

    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 23, 2020 1:50PM
  • volkeswagon
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    Yes, I'm really spiritually and emotionally satisfied by the amount of developer interaction and resultant change we've seen. My parents aren't even divorcing anymore!
    Of course they listen. People need to remember that just because something remains buggy doesn't mean they won't fix it. They have to know the cause of a bug first before they can fix it. Plus when you have a long list of bugs the order of which they get fixed is based on importance and time required. As for changes to the game or ideas one has to keep in mind that not every idea is feasable, and sometimes your ideas just aren't as good as you think they are. If one suggests vampires should have 4 legs or trial gear should be unbound and sellable then there will probably be more people opposed to the idea than who like it so they will go with majority. And I have seen many ideas including my own make it into the game and I've seen proposed changes reversed due to community outcry. So yes they listen. Just don't go on a rant and slam ZOS saying they don't care and talk all negative and they are more likely to take you seriously.
  • ccfeeling
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    Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
    ZOS : So what ? :)
  • Cillion3117
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    Yes, I'm really spiritually and emotionally satisfied by the amount of developer interaction and resultant change we've seen. My parents aren't even divorcing anymore!
    Yes the listen to the community. NOw if you ask for goofy stuff or complain about nothing, they might ignore you. However they do listen to reasonable and realistic requests.
  • ZaroktheImmortal
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    Yes and no. They'll do a lot of things that people will hate but sometimes they do actually respond. How much of an effect that has overall I don't know but I think whatever the case at the end of the day they'll do what they want.
  • Blynjubitr
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    Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
    Well they listen to kids crying in forums "nerf this, nerf that" but whenever someone points out that their game doesn't even work BAM! they close the thread. Now they are actually giving a damn about performance issues but it is too late. Performance issues are not new in ESO. Some parts are new problems but lag that makes the game completely unplayable always existed in raids or cyrodil. Like i don't think cyrodil ever worked in this game like ever. I am %100 sure cyro was always this unplayable garbage lagfest and because they did not listen to players when they should have and instead of giving more useless and empty zones for casuals if they had fixed the actual problems ESO would be best MMO in the market today. But no, now things got out of hand and they do not have neither the expreiance or the tools to fix all the technical problems this game has. Tbh i don't even care anymore and ZOS will not get a single dollar from me ever again.
  • Algorax
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    *Cough* vDSA Maelstrom Weapons's latest changes *Cough*
  • CombatPrayer
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    Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
    Zos listens only after countless years of players being upset about stuff and even when people start leaving the game. Until then they do not care. Their main care is bottom line. Sure they make changes, but the changes they have made, all of which I do personally appreciate, come after YEARS of players making a fuss about whatever it was. Most commonly, they implement things that in general people don't like. Like right now, having to farm AP for rapid maneuver. No longer is it the first skill, something you need to get across cyro on a newer toon. Last I saw, we were going to have to grind it out to level 5 because they have broken skill design on some stam toons that have no heals. Instead of having a heal on the character build, they stuck it in the PVP line. Completely idiotic design. Instead of fixing the skill lines of those builds, they move that to the first slot and now people will have to farm cyro or BG to get Rapid Maneuver. Brilliant move.

    Yes they listen, after people *** for years on end. Let's not give them too much credit. Give them some, but really, they need to listen better and make changes sooner.
  • karthrag_inak
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    This one would have been glad to offer his opinion here, except the polling choices were poorly phrased and did not reflect this one's views on the matter.
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  • josiahva
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    The question isn't whether ZOS listens to the community...its whether they SHOULD listen to the community. I mean, how exactly do you think they are going to please everyone? Every single patch you have half the PvP community crying for a nerf to whatever flavor of the month they died to....all the while those people don't consider they are ruining sets for the PvE side of the game, sets like Thrassian stranglers as an example, which can indeed be used in PvE by good enough players...but they have a huge downside and there is no margin for error. But ZOS listened...just like all the PvP people wanted...they nerfed them into uselessness, now no one on either side is going to use the things. So many sets have been made utterly worthless in the same exact way that I am of the strong opinion that ZOS shouldn't listen to the community AT ALL, after all, ZOS doing whatever they want isn't going to be any worse than when they listen to some small loud segment of people. You can't "listen" to everyone, all you can do is listen to loudest segment of the community, which just makes the game miserable for the rest.
  • Salvas_Aren
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    Closest to the truth is probably:

    They always listen to our complaints and always ignore our demands. :D
  • Shantu
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    You know, if you have to ask if someone is listening to you...they're probably not.
  • Destai
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    ESO VR!!1!1!1!
    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Can you guys join us in this conversation? Maybe provide some specific examples of feedback being listened to by your team?
  • Wilddog73
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    ESO VR!!1!1!1!
    Destai wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Can you guys join us in this conversation? Maybe provide some specific examples of feedback being listened to by your team?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom And then the community can talk about how important those instances are and compare them to the amount of good feedback that got ignored.
    Edited by Wilddog73 on July 22, 2020 9:21PM
  • Wilddog73
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    ESO VR!!1!1!1!
    @Elsonso Thanks. Didja get my pm before?
    Edited by Wilddog73 on July 22, 2020 9:20PM
  • Elsonso
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    We have one here, too! :smile: Check out the gear next to the message number on the right. If you have just posted, you will need to refresh before it shows up. If you are the OP trying to edit Comment #1, it is next to the title.
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  • TineaCruris
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    Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
    Shantu wrote: »
    You know, if you have to ask if someone is listening to you...they're probably not.

    Ain't that the truth! Well said.
  • Kiralyn2000
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    Various super-jaded gamers who have the "devs are my enemy" attitude: Nope, they don't listen at all!


    Yep, sounds like a typical game forum. /eyeroll
  • Aznarb
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    Yes, I'm really spiritually and emotionally satisfied by the amount of developer interaction and resultant change we've seen. My parents aren't even divorcing anymore!
    It's not because they don't listen every crybaby than they don't listen and try to improve game.
    Since Elsweyr came they show us a plan about trying to fix the game and lower power creep, that what they do.
    They will be some mistake ofc, but can't blame them with the amount of thing to balance/fixe.

    I'm not gonna yell at them every time, it's not constructive and way to much people on this forum speak about thing they don't even understand.

    ZoS team have all my support, I don't mind to adapt, that not my 1st mmorpg.
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  • DaveMoeDee
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    BigBragg wrote: »
    Honestly I believe the community management team, and a good portion of the devs do hear what we have to say. And boy do we say a lot at times... The hangups come with capability, priority, and most importantly what Zenimax Media allocates for budgeting in tandem with what they expect in returns from ZOS.

    And don't forget choosing between contradictory requests.
  • SweepsAllClowns
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    Shantu wrote: »
    You know, if you have to ask if someone is listening to you...they're probably not.

    Ain't that the truth! Well said.

    Exactly. I bet someone reads everything posted on forum, however it's completely whole different thing how they react or if they even care at all. Seems removing "nonconstructive" posts and closing threads on forum are very high priority compared to taking part in discussions on some actual issues in the game.
  • ATomiX69
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    I mean a "no" option would have been enough too but ok.
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    Better cyro performance when?
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  • Raudgrani
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    Very weird answers, so I pick none.

    ZOS listens every now and then. Of course they do. But much of the time, they don't. I think they need to get a bit more in touch with the community. Sometimes they make these kind of harsh/pointless decisions, just like they wanna show us who's the boss. It feels a bit like a strict parent, who are hard on you just on purpose, just to let you know that they set the rules.

    A fine example is this about the changes to the Maelstrom weapons, not "upgrading" our old weapons from VMA, to the ones you GET from doing VMA. We did it, and the only natural decision would be to let us KEEP the VMA weapons.

    I understand that they can't grant us every wish, and do exactly like we want. Even "democracy" has its limits, if people ALONE were allowed to have their way, the world would be a very different place - for good and ill, of course. Some kind of authority needs to decide what's reasonable, and what would be bad in the bigger picture. That's what they do. But sometimes, their ideas really makes no sense, and do nothing but upset people.
  • holden_caulfield
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    The forum users are NOT the community. Just a small %
  • terrasight
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    "Does Zenimax listen to the community? "

    No, thats why I'm gone after playing since release...

    A new generation can deal with it now.
    Hekat'e / Hel'a Niflheim - Sorc / Necro - PS5 EU
  • SweepsAllClowns
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    Here's few of my message comment picks with Zenimax personnel in very one sided conversations after I received some forum rewards:

    "My forum account should probably also get deleted in case if things won't get fixed, I'll probably make some account removal request if I can't delete it myself."

    "Do you think Zenimax has done a great job providing a fair and safe playing environment for a long term customer like myself?"

    No answer for my clear question as expected, simple "yes" or "no" would have been at least some communication, leaving it completely unanswered is probably the worst option in my current situation. One should always remember that there's many other gaming forums and I can play this kind of game extremely well, I try to be polite and constructive, but everything has limits.
  • pink_panther
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    Never. Whenever I see this "game", my eyes sink into their sockets and I ironically find myself relating to the soulless husk of my character. Zenimax is dead inside and so is my hope for this game.
    [snip] For example the new Zombie and Vamp items.... 4000 crowns.....

    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 23, 2020 12:12PM
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