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4000 crowns for a well and a zombie
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »If you feel the price is too high don’t buy it, simple. 🤷🏻♀️
I mean, it is a small convenience that you can accomplish in game with very little effort....
For myself the fountain was not elegant enough. Certainly not for 4K crowns.
This approach doesn't really help anyone now, does it? It doesn't help us because it means missing out. And it doesn't help ZOS because they can't increase sales by improving.
[snip] This is a forum built for feedback. [snip]
[snip]
I gave my feedback which to me is good advise.
[snip]
My feedback is I don’t like this item based on the look of it.
Price wise yh it is high but that is ZOS’ price point, not mine.
If their sales are great on it, than this thread won’t make a difference. On the other hand if their sales don’t do well on this item, I still don’t see things changing.
This price hike hasn’t happened overnight [snip]
And this is the fine difference: ESO IS NOT real life!
There is a reason why certain items in real life have a certain price. Generally, material and crafting cost play a big part. This pack here is mere pixels. Zero material cost and the time it took to craft them must have been short, too. That's the difference.
It's a ripoff. [snip]
[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 18, 2020 3:38PM4 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »If you feel the price is too high don’t buy it, simple. 🤷🏻♀️
I mean, it is a small convenience that you can accomplish in game with very little effort....
For myself the fountain was not elegant enough. Certainly not for 4K crowns.
This approach doesn't really help anyone now, does it? It doesn't help us because it means missing out. And it doesn't help ZOS because they can't increase sales by improving.
[snip] This is a forum built for feedback. [snip]
[snip]
I gave my feedback which to me is good advise.
[snip]
My feedback is I don’t like this item based on the look of it.
Price wise yh it is high but that is ZOS’ price point, not mine.
If their sales are great on it, than this thread won’t make a difference. On the other hand if their sales don’t do well on this item, I still don’t see things changing.
This price hike hasn’t happened overnight [snip]
And this is the fine difference: ESO IS NOT real life!
There is a reason why certain items in real life have a certain price. Generally, material and crafting cost play a big part. This pack here is mere pixels. Zero material cost and the time it took to craft them must have been short, too. That's the difference.
It's a ripoff. [snip]
Well it may not be "Real" but for many players who spend day in and day out playing it is their life.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 18, 2020 3:40PM0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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You don't need to teleport anywhere to use the drinks. You can also keep several of them on your character and use them whenever you see your Vamp effects fading off. The drinks are more convenient than biting because you don't need to leave what you're currently doing and seek out an NPC in your zone to bite; but with your furniture you'll have to rezone twice to get back to what you're doing, so the furniture are even less practical than the regular biting.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
Uhh No.
If you're constantly switching, wouldn't having the drinks with you be more convenient?TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Even if you are 'game rich' as some people say, and even if you buy it with gold...
Based on my platform's exchange rates, do you know how many Bloody Maras you can buy with 4000C/1,000,000g??? Even if you buy all your drinks (rather than crafting them which is much cheaper), you'd have to use the drinks every single hour 24/7 and you'll still have enough for 416 days. That's when the furnishing Bundle will break even in price
And the drinks give you stat bonuses too...
So yeah. You're essentially buying a dead NPC and an oversized fountain for 4k
Sometimes we do not want the accociated buffs that come with those potions because they may overwrite the effects of a superior food item, I also like to switch stages constantly and do a lot of RP.
So whatever if you like the items that's great; but they're not exactly practical for frequent use. The only single niche in which they are better is if you want to parse several Vamp stages in a short period while keeping another food buff throughout them. But again, how often will anybody even do that? Often enough to warrant the exorbitant price difference? I'll let everyone decide for themselves, but it's certainly doubtful.
I ain't teleporting anywhere because this all happens within the confines of my player home.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »If you feel the price is too high don’t buy it, simple. 🤷🏻♀️
I mean, it is a small convenience that you can accomplish in game with very little effort....
For myself the fountain was not elegant enough. Certainly not for 4K crowns.
This approach doesn't really help anyone now, does it? It doesn't help us because it means missing out. And it doesn't help ZOS because they can't increase sales by improving.
[snip] This is a forum built for feedback. [snip]
[snip]
I gave my feedback which to me is good advise.
[snip]
My feedback is I don’t like this item based on the look of it.
Price wise yh it is high but that is ZOS’ price point, not mine.
If their sales are great on it, than this thread won’t make a difference. On the other hand if their sales don’t do well on this item, I still don’t see things changing.
This price hike hasn’t happened overnight [snip]
And this is the fine difference: ESO IS NOT real life!
There is a reason why certain items in real life have a certain price. Generally, material and crafting cost play a big part. This pack here is mere pixels. Zero material cost and the time it took to craft them must have been short, too. That's the difference.
It's a ripoff. [snip]
Well it may not be "Real" but for many players who spend day in and day out playing it is their life.
It is not. If their in-game character runs out of food, nothing happens. If your real-life character, that is to say, YOU, runs out of food, you starve. Which is the main reason why food had value and a price matching it. Pixels do not. Pixels sustain nothing. So the only measure for their worth is the work put into them. And in this case, it doesn't match what ZOS ask of your money. Money that could be spent on actual items (like food) of actual value.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 18, 2020 3:42PM7 -
SmukkeHeks✭✭✭✭✭You know when you need citrus fruit in your cooking and you’re squeezing all living out of the fruit?
Guess who we are.4 -
Sarannah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The price does not seem too high to be honest, compared to everything else in the crownstore. These items have an in-game functionality, besides being normal furniture. Vampires may be in a terrible state right now, but I'm still getting these items for when they are fun to play again.
Prices are usually based on the countries with high-valued money, making items seem very expensive for some other countries.
PS: I never compare RL cash to in-game gold. Even though some players use this, I see them as unconnected. The game is the game, and real life is real life.0 -
Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭Many have said this and I used to myself, if you can't afford it don't buy it. Seems a simple enough statement to understand and probably what the company would love to say themselves. That statement doesn't apply because these aren't goods with finite numbers. If they want to have a pet cost 6k they can just like they could have a noble house with a price of 200 crowns. How do mounts that used to cost 1.5k crowns are now 3.5k? Did the ranchers start charging more for their stock? Did they give their artists a double salary raise? Because this looks more like we just want more money because. For a large portion of this game, the store are the only rewards you will ever earn. But not earning like play through the newest trial but like go get a job. There shouldn't be fluctuation of prices in a virtual store. There are not sales that deplete stock. You don't raise prices to offset the lack of demand.
It feels and looks like greed. This isn't a scene from Wall Street. Its not entertaining to watch.
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alanmatillab16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Even worse is that the thrall looks a lot like Abnur Tharn. Is that what has happened to him?
Considering the state of that thrall no self respecting neck muncher will go anywhere near it anyway.
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Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's two uniquely functional items and it doesn't come with extra furnishings to delete. Price seems okay. Timing for the items seems fair since we have been informed about possible changes to blood for blood.
I, personally, don't need it since none of my vampires need frequent adjustments. I might cure all of mine; I will wait and see what happens with the vampire spamable.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Finedaible wrote: »Leave it to them to rework vampire skill line with a flawed mechanic which can only be alleviated by a cash shop bundle purchase for 4000 clowns.
Or drinking the blood of a npc
Or drinking a bloody mara0 -
xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »If you feel the price is too high don’t buy it, simple. 🤷🏻♀️
I mean, it is a small convenience that you can accomplish in game with very little effort....
For myself the fountain was not elegant enough. Certainly not for 4K crowns.
This approach doesn't really help anyone now, does it? It doesn't help us because it means missing out. And it doesn't help ZOS because they can't increase sales by improving.
[snip] This is a forum built for feedback. [snip]
[snip]
I gave my feedback which to me is good advise.
[snip]
My feedback is I don’t like this item based on the look of it.
Price wise yh it is high but that is ZOS’ price point, not mine.
If their sales are great on it, than this thread won’t make a difference. On the other hand if their sales don’t do well on this item, I still don’t see things changing.
This price hike hasn’t happened overnight [snip]
And this is the fine difference: ESO IS NOT real life!
There is a reason why certain items in real life have a certain price. Generally, material and crafting cost play a big part. This pack here is mere pixels. Zero material cost and the time it took to craft them must have been short, too. That's the difference.
It's a ripoff. [snip]
[Edited to remove Baiting]
I am going to try for master angler with the snips and bait 😂
Well, the cost is there because they have to pay peeps to create it. The model, texturing, animation, etc
On these items they also affect your vampy level, so there is that.
I am sure those REAL LIFE PEOPLE do not work for free.
Do I think the price is high, yes I do. Though it is ZOS’ call and their product. I am not privy to their overhead for such projects, so who can say if it is high. 🤷🏻♀️
To you it is a rip-off to others it is not.
For me I just wish the fountain was more elegant vampy looking and the blood dummy healthy colored. The ghoul thingy is gross.
ZOS’ secret snack room =^^=
*no all cap text was hurt in making this post >_>Edited by xXMeowMeowXx on July 18, 2020 5:40PM1 -
dhboy123✭✭✭✭Absolutely hilarious that ZOS reworks a skill-line and then sells an item on the crown store for £20-25 which greatly helps that newly made skill line.
Will keep on happening while so many people invest in crown crates and spend so much money on cosmetics.
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fierackas✭✭✭✭✭Somewhere deep in a castle dungeon an ex stamina vampire sneers at this rubbish, curling his lip to reveal what once would have been a fang
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Finedaible✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Finedaible wrote: »Leave it to them to rework vampire skill line with a flawed mechanic which can only be alleviated by a cash shop bundle purchase for 4000 clowns.
Or drinking the blood of a npc
Or drinking a bloody mara
Sure, I just love wasting a magicka-buffing drink I never needed on a stamblade, or any other stamina build, and then also wasting another food or drink just to get the proper stamina buffs back on the build.1 -
PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its a target dummy and a vampire stage changer.
I'm sure most guilds would want this apart of their guild hall.
Mundus stones, another guild staple, are also 4000 crowns each.1 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I guess we've seen the first of the companions they're adding to make use of the new pathing feature in the next update."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Even if you are 'game rich' as some people say, and even if you buy it with gold...
Based on my platform's exchange rates, do you know how many Bloody Maras you can buy with 4000C/1,000,000g??? Even if you buy all your drinks (rather than crafting them which is much cheaper), you'd have to use the drinks every single hour 24/7 and you'll still have enough for 416 days. That's when the furnishing Bundle will break even in price And the drinks give you stat bonuses too...
So yeah. You're essentially buying a dead NPC and an oversized fountain for 4k
Sometimes we do not want the accociated buffs that come with those potions because they may overwrite the effects of a superior food item, I also like to switch stages constantly and do a lot of RP.
If you're constantly switching, wouldn't having the drinks with you be more convenient?
Uhh No.
So traveling to your home and out again is more handy? The loading screens would drive me nuts!
The only way it would be as, or more, convenient would be if you are someone who frequently travels to your home, anyway.
I travel to it all the time, in between activities, as I have constant inv issues and so, need to decon frequently.
So, for me, this might be as, or even marginally more, convenient than having to carry drinks around (if I played a vamp, which I don't).
However, for most people, it will probably be less.1 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »If you feel the price is too high don’t buy it, simple. 🤷🏻♀️
I mean, it is a small convenience that you can accomplish in game with very little effort....
For myself the fountain was not elegant enough. Certainly not for 4K crowns.
This approach doesn't really help anyone now, does it? It doesn't help us because it means missing out. And it doesn't help ZOS because they can't increase sales by improving.
[snip] This is a forum built for feedback. [snip]
[snip]
I gave my feedback which to me is good advise.
[snip]
My feedback is I don’t like this item based on the look of it.
Price wise yh it is high but that is ZOS’ price point, not mine.
If their sales are great on it, than this thread won’t make a difference. On the other hand if their sales don’t do well on this item, I still don’t see things changing.
This price hike hasn’t happened overnight [snip]
And this is the fine difference: ESO IS NOT real life!
There is a reason why certain items in real life have a certain price. Generally, material and crafting cost play a big part. This pack here is mere pixels. Zero material cost and the time it took to craft them must have been short, too. That's the difference.
It's a ripoff. [snip]
Well it may not be "Real" but for many players who spend day in and day out playing it is their life.
It is not. If their in-game character runs out of food, nothing happens. If your real-life character, that is to say, YOU, runs out of food, you starve. Which is the main reason why food had value and a price matching it. Pixels do not. Pixels sustain nothing. So the only measure for their worth is the work put into them. And in this case, it doesn't match what ZOS ask of your money. Money that could be spent on actual items (like food) of actual value.
[snip]
[Edited to remove Baiting]
I do agree with this.
However, because ESO is a game without a compulsory sub, they could argue that they ideally need to make more from Crown Store items than just the cost of the item (+ normal markup), to make up for the lack of subs.
The issue I have with that argument, though, is where does it leave those people who do already (and consistently) pay for a sub?
Being double-dipped on, that is where.
Or even more than that, if you factor in the intentional overpricing of the items, to try to make-up for the fact that other people aren't paying for the sub (that you are).
I know there are now the occasional ESO+ only offers, which give you a small discount on the price of certain Crown Store items.
However, that really isn't sufficient compensation, if you compare it with a game where a similarly priced sub gets you access to pretty much everything, without paying any extra.
Edited by Tigerseye on July 19, 2020 2:47PM4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If fewer people are subscribed, then there are probably fewer people playing the game as a whole, reducing server cost. I don't think that calculation works out. But I don't have the numbers, so it's just a theory.
Main argument however is they could have put more into the pack. Easiest approach, TWO dummies. Or a 6m dummy. Two wells. Vampire furniture, a bat pet or a re-skinned dark death hound mount. All those things would have cost basically nothing, maybe ten minutes of work while sitting on the toilet. What we got is an insult, if you consider that.0 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »
Wow, the size of that thing. Even if i did have more money than sense and only having bought Ebonheart Chateau, it would have been completely useless considering the space required to place it. I wonder how many people will buy this only to find out they lack the space to actually place it.
I saw on a picture from @Thunderaan , that you can hide almost the whole fountain and still use it.
Which is nice, if you were to ever buy it, since it's such an unsightly thing.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »
Wow, the size of that thing. Even if i did have more money than sense and only having bought Ebonheart Chateau, it would have been completely useless considering the space required to place it. I wonder how many people will buy this only to find out they lack the space to actually place it.
I saw on a picture from @Thunderaan , that you can hide almost the whole fountain and still use it.
Which is nice, if you were to ever buy it, since it's such an unsightly thing.
Not possible.0 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »
Wow, the size of that thing. Even if i did have more money than sense and only having bought Ebonheart Chateau, it would have been completely useless considering the space required to place it. I wonder how many people will buy this only to find out they lack the space to actually place it.
I saw on a picture from @Thunderaan , that you can hide almost the whole fountain and still use it.
Which is nice, if you were to ever buy it, since it's such an unsightly thing.
Not possible.
I doubt he'd lie and fake the screenshot.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »
Wow, the size of that thing. Even if i did have more money than sense and only having bought Ebonheart Chateau, it would have been completely useless considering the space required to place it. I wonder how many people will buy this only to find out they lack the space to actually place it.
I saw on a picture from @Thunderaan , that you can hide almost the whole fountain and still use it.
Which is nice, if you were to ever buy it, since it's such an unsightly thing.
Not possible.
I doubt he'd lie and fake the screenshot.
Can I look the screenshot up anywhere?0 -
bluebird✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
I saw on a picture from Thunderaan , that you can hide almost the whole fountain and still use it.Prof_Bawbag wrote: »
Wow, the size of that thing. Even if i did have more money than sense and only having bought Ebonheart Chateau, it would have been completely useless considering the space required to place it. I wonder how many people will buy this only to find out they lack the space to actually place it.
Don't know about that, but here are some screenshots.
Can I look the screenshot up anywhere?NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
I doubt he'd lie and fake the screenshot.
Not possible.NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
I saw on a picture from @Thunderaan , that you can hide almost the whole fountain and still use it.Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Wow, the size of that thing. Even if i did have more money than sense and only having bought Ebonheart Chateau, it would have been completely useless considering the space required to place it. I wonder how many people will buy this only to find out they lack the space to actually place it.
Which is nice, if you were to ever buy it, since it's such an unsightly thing.
The fountain is... rather... peculiar about the ineractable/notinteractable boundaries it allows
Seems like it's a dramatic little B- ... Basin, that is.
Edit: Oh and this is from the PTS, feel free to correct me if they corrected this.Edited by bluebird on July 20, 2020 1:06AM4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ah, okay, I think I know what's going on.
In open field, on the vertical axis, you really have barely any room to move. Maybe burrowing it into the ground worked on PTS, but on live it does not.
However, clipping it into other objects seems to break it. Especially if you clip the "tower" part of it completely into a similar structure, like a pillar. In that case, placement possibilities become... interesting.2 -
Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭On a list things that bother me this is pretty low and probably not even on it. But the one thing about it that bothers me is being a vampire shouldn't be about the perks but about the playing as a vampire. The role playing. Which is fine if players want to take that route and just be about the benefit. The company though should be thinking about what is the purpose of vampires being in the game if not to play to that fantasy. This just signals to me that ZOS isn't interested in the role play of players as much as I'd like for them to be. Having the skills of vampire is more important than playing as a vampire. Its worrisome because if they don't understand why people have chosen to play as vampires how can they ever deliver a great experience as one? Maybe they do and this is just about making some cash. When you see the Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Mages Guild, Fighters Guild, etc be just about the numbers you also see no further development. Like they barely exist and only are coloring for the setting. And if those don't matter and now if vampires don't matter, do any of the classes themselves matter? Come to think of it, I don't think there's anything in the game giving us a viewpoint of how our class is viewed. Its all just treated as some bland numbers game. Why does ESO even exist if you don't comprehend what appeals to players and how the game address that. This is just another step down the wrong road.
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Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭A well and a zombie? Is he called Brother Love?PC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
Guildmaster of Oriflamme: Focus on 4 player endgame content.
Member of Brave Cat Trade, Panda Division and Toadhuggers.
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Haven✭✭✭Well. To me its a little worse than just the price. The fact that we had those "features" in the game for free now they want us to pay for them for convenience sucks. We used to be able to just use abilities to stage up, then bite some npc to stage down.
Counting the Mara drinks of course. Those are still a thing.3
