I just got a succession inferno staff and was planning on using it on my DK for fun.

If this set gets nerfed there really wont be any reason to use it, I'll just have to farm burning spell weave or scathing...

I saw that change too, was going to test it then saw the nerf to spell damage and found no point in trying it anymore, hopefully it's a bug because it's a pretty nice set.

Yes, but as great as Elemental Succession can be it is EXTREMELY niche and usable by only 2 classes of the game. Mag Dk and Mag Necro.

The set used to give 500 or 505 Spell damage to the Element on a rotating basis. ZOs changed it to based off elemental damage type used and able to proc multiple buffs and raised the spell damage to 550 only 1 year ago.

This actually made the set viable. NOT OVERPOWERED, but viable on the 2 classes above and those 2 classes only. And as you can see, it still did not enter the META, because the power wasn't out-of-the-ball-park a win in wearing it. But if you built for the set on those classes you could get very pretty numbers.

Now if it stays as PTS is showing...its spell damage is nerfed UNDER what the set originally provided when it wasn't used by anyone....and I'm working on testing...but could make a niche set for limited classes that did at-end-game level DPS (But not more) move back into obsoletion...and that is just sad.

I am actually overall happy with a lot of changes because this patch is breaking META hard and creating possibly more class specific builds instead of 1 build for-all...which this game needs... and Elemental Succession was a great tool to help do this.

@Stx Burning Spellweave was nerfed this patch and is basement bottom now for entering endgame.

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Somewhere wrote: »

I suppose my guess is that since they nerfed burning spellweave and siroria that this would get nerfed as well. This patch, no matter who you are and what content you are playing, your damage went down. Unless you're using some of these stupid proc damage sets, then you're good to go.

Elemental catalyst makes up for it. A free shadow mundus for everyone, on top of everything there is. Even if the healers need to run 4 different sets, put it on a dd and you’ll be fine. A small precise buff too, I think the damage isn’t going below Harrowstorm levels. And yeah below Greymoor but Thrassians and b4b were too strong so that’s alright.

Also Burning Spellweave is a self Spell Damage Buff that can be buffed by Major/Minor Sorcery.

Elemental Succession is Elemental Damage that is not buffed by Major/Minor Sorcery and thus the raw value has to be greater to be wroth using against sets where you can buff the damage.

Soundinfinite wrote: »

Also Burning Spellweave is a self Spell Damage Buff that can be buffed by Major/Minor Sorcery.

Elemental Succession is Elemental Damage that is not buffed by Major/Minor Sorcery and thus the raw value has to be greater to be wroth using against sets where you can buff the damage.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION!

ES as well as any other elemental set in the game (Sun, Netch's Touch ...) is fully AFFECTED by spell damage modifiers such as Major and Minor Sorcery. It just doesn't appear in tooltip but it does affect actual damage values.

The only real difference is that spell damage buffs every spell including healing while elemental spell damage buffs only damage of that respective element leaving healing unaffected.

Soundinfinite wrote: »

@Olupajmibanan

Sorry about spreading misinformation. No screaming is needed. It was an addition at the end and not part of my original write-up.

However, I have tried to test this, but since ALL Elemental Damage is allocated to 5th traits of sets, I haven't been able to isolate the damage modifiers.

I am attempting to test on PTS.

So I have gone off of information given to me for Damage modifiers that do not enter ones resource pool.

The new Bloodthirsty works in this fashion, Spell/Weapon Damage that does not go into your resource pool.

This made a very easy application in which I could isolate and ONLY have the Spell Damage of the Bloodthirsty itself and nothing else that would be affected by Major/Minor Sorcery.

And yes the Mjor/Minor System does affect Bloodthirsty.

As such I will generally belived if it works for A it will also work for B and that your above statement is true. But again, I am still testing.

Again...was not intentionally spreading anything that I did not think true.

My apologies.

There is pretty easy test to that.
1. Make a naked character on PTS. Dont allocate any points into CPs or attributes and also remove all passives.
2. Equip it with 5 Silks of the Sun body pieces. Slot Molten Armaments and Lava Whip only.
3. Pop your molten armaments and hit a dummy with Lava Whip. Write down the damage dealt.
4. Unequip 1 Silks of the Sun piece and replace it with 1 Siroria body piece. Also equip 1 Siroria ring infused with Spell damage glyph. This way you'll lose 400 flame spell damage from Sun but gain 407 spell damage from siroria 2pc bonus and infused spell damage glyph (the 7 spell damage difference is negligible).
5. Pop your molten armaments and hit a dummy with Lava Whip. Write down the damage dealt.

If Sun is affected by Major Sorcery, damage dealt it both cases should be almost the same (mind the 7 spell damage difference so it won't be exactly the same). I did the test before and it was the same. But haven't tested it on current PTS, but doubt they changed it without putting it in patch notes.

*For convenience you may also equip Malacath ring to eliminate crits.

Someone asked this in another thread but no answer yet...Does anyone know if their proc on elemental successions has any direct effect on the two pets that sorc summons? I'm sure it effects their special shock attacks but I'm asking more along the lines weather the pet itself is considered elemental or not.

@Soundinfinite I found the test. Was actually tested on live:

Tested it myself with the method - ceteris paribus, changing only one factor with other factors unchanged.

Test A: 5 sun body pieces, all cp 160, blue quality (4th set bonus gives 377 SD to flame damage abilities), default magicka glyph,
- 2x CP 160 epic Willpower rings with +stamina recovery glyph
- 1x CP 160 epic Willpower neck with +stamina recovery glyph

Results:
Flame Lash damage
With Major Sorcery: 4261
Without Major Sorcery: 4112

Test B: 4 sun body pieces, 1 necropotence piece, all cp 160, blue quality, default magicka glyph, unchanged traits
- 2x CP 160 epic Willpower rings with +153 SD glyph
- 1x CP 160 epic Willpower neck with +71 SD glyph

Results:
Flame Lash damage
With Major Sorcery: 4261
Without Major Sorcery: 4112