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Stamina templar needs some sort of love
Nemesis7884
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Honestly every time I play a stamina templar (my main is a magicka templar) it just feels like a downgraded version of the magicka one....it really has nothing that stands out in any way and does anything worse...I really think it needs some love and some more identity...and these upcoming changes dont exactly help...
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Jman100582✭✭✭✭sadly most of the player base that hasnt played stamplar seems to think that its some sort of broken monstrosity. I play stamplar for pvp, and i feel the main reason these nerfs are happening is because of how easy it is to hit high dps for pve stamplar. But pve and pvp are vastly different in terms of being able to hit reliable dps. Its a shame really, stamplar always gets the short end of the stick and now its just a mess for pvp, and now maybe not even worth it for pve too3 -
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✭✭I used to main stamplar but switched to stamsorc.
Removing major protection from empowering sweep and now removing the healing from ritual of retribution... it's like their mission is to make stamplar fhe squishiest build in the game.7 -
FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭They also neutered the (singular targeted) burst damage of Purifying Light (magicka morph) and Power of the Light (stamina morph) so there's pretty much no reason to choose a Stamplar over a Stamcro or Stamwarden (as if the choice wasn't heavily weighted toward those two AOE BURST DAMAGE classes anyway).Edited by FlamingBeard on July 14, 2020 11:00PM3 -
Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭Stamsorc were the worse class ever for some time so they are focusing on it. Stamplar were secobd worse class (pvp).
It is realy hard to go on offense. Magplar have strong instant heal + block cast and sweeps heal while on offense.
Stamplar dont have this and stamplar lost major protection that give it offensive window long ago.1 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Add the heal to biting jabs that biting jabs that Puncturing Sweep has. Give us a chance to stand toe to toe with someone.
Be safe and have fun
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✭I enjoy playing my stamplar but really the way how onslaught worked with that short templar burst was quite effective. Definitely was not a stamplar issue but now all templars will be neutered.0 -
Abyssmol✭✭✭✭✭FlamingBeard wrote: »They also neutered the (singular targeted) burst damage of Purifying Light (magicka morph) and Power of the Light (stamina morph) so there's pretty much no reason to choose a Stamplar over a Stamcro or Stamwarden (as if the choice wasn't heavily weighted toward those two AOE BURST DAMAGE classes anyway).
ZOS loves the way you are thinking right now. Everyone needs a stamcro $$$.2 -
Synssaturdayy9✭✭✭they really killed templar with the burning light nerf and before hand it already felt as jabs were lacking damage im sad to say i cannot play my main class next patch bc it's going to be a dead class2
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ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
fair enough, nevertheless needs templar some uniquness, some heal, some moveabilty etc...
Honestly I WANT to play a stamplar because my magicka templar is my main, favorite class but would prefer to play a "warrior" but I just cant find any reason for it...I dont get this thing to work even remotely as well as a magicka templar
I think stamplar is one of those classes that urgently needs a class identity / power fantasy rework0 -
Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
It is not free damage. If it is not in tool tip it doesnt mean it is free. Devs balance skills while keeping passives in mind and burning light and jabs are inseperable. Cut this nonsense.Edited by Luckylancer on July 15, 2020 11:21AM3 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭Luckylancer wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
It is not free damage. If it is not in tool tip it doesnt mean it is free. Devs balance skills while keeping passives in mind and burning light and jabs are inseperable. Cut this nonsense.
It’s literally free damage lol.0 -
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✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
It is not free damage. If it is not in tool tip it doesnt mean it is free. Devs balance skills while keeping passives in mind and burning light and jabs are inseperable. Cut this nonsense.
It’s literally free damage lol.
Every class has free damage in their passives. Do you have a point?3 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
It is not free damage. If it is not in tool tip it doesnt mean it is free. Devs balance skills while keeping passives in mind and burning light and jabs are inseperable. Cut this nonsense.
It’s literally free damage lol.
Every class has free damage in their passives. Do you have a point?
I don’t know a single class that gets 3k per proc free damage from a passive that ignores resistance at a 25% proc chanceEdited by ItsJustHashtag on July 15, 2020 12:36PM0 -
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✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »
I don’t know a single class that gets 3k per proc free damage from a passive that ignores resistance at a 25% proc chance
Since when does it ignore resistances?Politeness is respecting others.
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Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
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ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭
My bad thought of wrong skill. Regardless it shouldn’t exist in its current form. Glad ZOS is fixing it to not be brain dead free damage.Sanguinor2 wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »
I don’t know a single class that gets 3k per proc free damage from a passive that ignores resistance at a 25% proc chance
Since when does it ignore resistances?
Edited by ItsJustHashtag on July 15, 2020 12:41PM0 -
Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
It is not free damage. If it is not in tool tip it doesnt mean it is free. Devs balance skills while keeping passives in mind and burning light and jabs are inseperable. Cut this nonsense.
It’s literally free damage lol.
Devs at beta could write burning light's effect at jabs tool tip but they wanted other skills in that class line to have it too. Burning light and jabs/sweeps are inseperable. If it is free damage, everything in the game is free damage.3 -
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✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
It is not free damage. If it is not in tool tip it doesnt mean it is free. Devs balance skills while keeping passives in mind and burning light and jabs are inseperable. Cut this nonsense.
It’s literally free damage lol.
Every class has free damage in their passives. Do you have a point?
I don’t know a single class that gets 3k per proc free damage from a passive that ignores resistance at a 25% proc chance
Classes are different. Some class get passive damage boosts for slotting skills. Some classes get bonus damage on dots, some get passive penetration or extra ult gen, bonus damage to specific damage types, etc. Templars get a proc.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »Luckylancer wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
It is not free damage. If it is not in tool tip it doesnt mean it is free. Devs balance skills while keeping passives in mind and burning light and jabs are inseperable. Cut this nonsense.
It’s literally free damage lol.
Every class has free damage in their passives. Do you have a point?
I don’t know a single class that gets 3k per proc free damage from a passive that ignores resistance at a 25% proc chance
and because stamplar are SO op you see the everywhere in pve and pvp as opposed to sorcerer, dk and nb....right? oh yeah...3 -
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✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
You can only proc burning light twice per jabs it has a 0.5 sec cool down.
If you are getting hit for 3k from you are running very squishy build.
Backlash is the most telegraphed burst skill in the game you literally have 6 seconds to prepare for it, not to mention the skill does almost no dmg by itself you have build it up in order for it to hit hard in pvp.
Also templars don't get any %dmg increase passives like most other classes, our primary spammable can be avoided without even dodgerolling, stamplar has no built in mobility and some of the worst self healing across all classes.
My wood elf stamsorc can literally facetank multiple ppl with crit surge up and it's not even tied to my offensive stats so I can run around with full procsets and 2k regen across the board.
Edited by Firstmep on July 15, 2020 2:31PM3 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
You can only proc burning light twice per jabs it has a 0.5 sec cool down.
If you are getting hit for 3k from you are running very squishy build.
Backlash is the most telegraphed burst skill in the game you literally have 6 seconds to prepare for it, not to mention the skill does almost no dmg by itself you have build it up in order for it to hit hard in pvp.
Also templars don't get any %dmg increase passives like most other classes, our primary spammable can be avoided without even dodgerolling, stamplar has no built in mobility and some of the worst self healing across all classes.
What part of backlash was bugged so they fixed it is hard to understand. Thank you ZOS for fixing this bug that Templar mains were exploiting.0 -
NobleX35✭✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
You can only proc burning light twice per jabs it has a 0.5 sec cool down.
If you are getting hit for 3k from you are running very squishy build.
Backlash is the most telegraphed burst skill in the game you literally have 6 seconds to prepare for it, not to mention the skill does almost no dmg by itself you have build it up in order for it to hit hard in pvp.
Also templars don't get any %dmg increase passives like most other classes, our primary spammable can be avoided without even dodgerolling, stamplar has no built in mobility and some of the worst self healing across all classes.
What part of backlash was bugged so they fixed it is hard to understand. Thank you ZOS for fixing this bug that Templar mains were exploiting.
Except their “fix” actually broke the skill and has rendered it useless. Its not even worth slotting in many cases anymore. Pts testing has shown that it crits for 2.5-4k on players on average which literally makes it the worst delayed burst skill in the game by far.
Initial speculation is that the ability is hitting for 20% of the max tooltip instead of 20% of actual damage copied. It is literally broken..."Only the dead have seen the end of war."3 -
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✭✭✭ItsJustHashtag wrote: »ItsJustHashtag wrote: »So glad that RNG won’t give Templar’s 6-9k(rng) in free damage on one jab channel.
A class damage shouldn’t be carried by RNG of a passive.
Also so glad they’re fixing backlash and it’s morphs. I’ve seen people get hit huge damage from this ability.
So happy they’re both being adjusted to bring Templar’s on par with other classes.
Thank you ZOS
You can only proc burning light twice per jabs it has a 0.5 sec cool down.
If you are getting hit for 3k from you are running very squishy build.
Backlash is the most telegraphed burst skill in the game you literally have 6 seconds to prepare for it, not to mention the skill does almost no dmg by itself you have build it up in order for it to hit hard in pvp.
Also templars don't get any %dmg increase passives like most other classes, our primary spammable can be avoided without even dodgerolling, stamplar has no built in mobility and some of the worst self healing across all classes.
What part of backlash was bugged so they fixed it is hard to understand. Thank you ZOS for fixing this bug that Templar mains were exploiting.
LOL ball lightning is way more broken for what it can do, I don't see sorc unslotting it.
Bugs will be bugs.
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[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 15, 2020 3:17PM1 -
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✭Jman100582 wrote: »sadly most of the player base that hasnt played stamplar seems to think that its some sort of broken monstrosity. I play stamplar for pvp, and i feel the main reason these nerfs are happening is because of how easy it is to hit high dps for pve stamplar. But pve and pvp are vastly different in terms of being able to hit reliable dps. Its a shame really, stamplar always gets the short end of the stick and now its just a mess for pvp, and now maybe not even worth it for pve too
Pretty much this.
I can't tell for PvP, but in PvE Templar in any form except Tank is incredibly effective for how easy it is.
That a part of why I really player Templar as healer when the raid lead ask for it, otherwise I avoid him to not die of boredom..[ PC EU ]
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✭✭Agreed, stam templar is boring as ***. You use jabs and then jabs and jabs. They need at least some kind of execute to break the rotation cycle a bit.0 -
Apox✭✭✭✭✭I used to main stamplar but switched to stamsorc.
Removing major protection from empowering sweep and now removing the healing from ritual of retribution... it's like their mission is to make stamplar fhe squishiest build in the game.
in pvp my stamplar already feels like he takes more damage than my stamsorc running the same sets.0 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I used to main stamplar but switched to stamsorc.
Removing major protection from empowering sweep and now removing the healing from ritual of retribution... it's like their mission is to make stamplar fhe squishiest build in the game.
in pvp my stamplar already feels like he takes more damage than my stamsorc running the same sets.
Crit surge.0 -
stefj68✭✭✭✭✭with no more healing on ritual of retribution i have to rely with rally... no longer dual wielding
alternative would be to heal with vigor but i will never pvp with my stamplar
thanks for killing stamplar
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