Was hoping for spec system announcement for this pts and they still holding back something that essential, probably qol improvements are not on their priorities list.

It should definitely be not just easy gear swap ability (this obv should be by default) but an actual full respec for example from mag to stam also.

colossalvoids wrote: »

Was hoping for spec system announcement for this pts and they still holding back something that essential, probably qol improvements are not on their priorities list.

It should definitely be not just easy gear swap ability (this obv should be by default) but an actual full respec for example from mag to stam also.

Yep, but I'd add, an ability to merge 2 character to have 2 sets of racials (optional) or everyone is just going to role Dark Elf / Kitteh as they are the only ones able to pull off hybrid and have their racials still mean something in all circumstance.

18 characters, 6 classes, potential for merging 3 characters into 1 for each class. Left with 6 very robust and versatile characters. RP's may not like it, so it should remain optional, although they may enjoy a RP funeral. Merging would need to increase inv space a little, and increase drops from daily writs slightly ie merge 2 = 50% chance of double drop, merge 3 = always get a double drop. Still less than doing dailies on 18, but it is a cost the player would have to consider.

The specs system would be super helpful to everyone, specially on consoles since addons can't be used there.

Please make it happen @ZOS_RichLambert

redlink1979 wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

Most players have a main, and the alts are just builds. Character slots = build loadouts. By making a dual spec system they effectively nullify the purpose of a character slot.

Dual-spec/loadouts definitely don't nullify character slots... they just add more versatility. You simply cap the number of loadouts/specs each character can have. Most games that already have this feature give you 1 free extra loadout, then usually an option to purchase a 3rd. Most players usually use their 2nd slot to make a PVP loadout, but as per my original post it REALLY opens up the options for extra tank/heal specs.

I just CAN'T main a tank in ESO with how terrible it is for anything else, it's 10x more work than playing a DD etc who can do solo, PVP and group content, for exactly the same reward...

Give me the option to be able to swap out at a wayshrine/"safe zone" to a DD spec or whatever so I can do other stuff with it... I'll absolutely put time into it.

richo262 wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

Most players have a main, and the alts are just builds. Character slots = build loadouts. By making a dual spec system they effectively nullify the purpose of a character slot.

Specs sys will nullify the chars slots? Not really imo. I, as many other players, created all my alts because I wanted to try different builds, with different races n different abilities. Depending on my mood I choose with which one I will play. Main char just means it's the one which's mostly used.

That is precisely why it will nullify them.

1 main character + 17 characters that are nothing more than 'builds'.
vs
1 main with 10 load out 'build' slots.

If you have 1 Dragonknight with 10 loadout slots, why bother making another Dragonknight after that? RP?

The only distinction will be your racial passives, which while nice, are not that significant. People will just make Dark Elf / Kitteh characters and have simply 1 character of each class with many specs of each. Rendering the remaining 12 character slots pointless and becoming nothing more than mules and writ jockeys.

You don't GET 10 loadout slots... you get 2 extra ones at best in all the games that already have them. 1 free, 1 purchased is the standard.

richo262 wrote: »

kingsforged wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

Most players have a main, and the alts are just builds. Character slots = build loadouts. By making a dual spec system they effectively nullify the purpose of a character slot.

Specs sys will nullify the chars slots? Not really imo. I, as many other players, created all my alts because I wanted to try different builds, with different races n different abilities. Depending on my mood I choose with which one I will play. Main char just means it's the one which's mostly used.

That is precisely why it will nullify them.

1 main character + 17 characters that are nothing more than 'builds'.
vs
1 main with 10 load out 'build' slots.

If you have 1 Dragonknight with 10 loadout slots, why bother making another Dragonknight after that? RP?

The only distinction will be your racial passives, which while nice, are not that significant. People will just make Dark Elf / Kitteh characters and have simply 1 character of each class with many specs of each. Rendering the remaining 12 character slots pointless and becoming nothing more than mules and writ jockeys.

You don't GET 10 loadout slots... you get 2 extra ones at best in all the games that already have them. 1 free, 1 purchased is the standard.

For the record, I'm very pro respec slots. Even 3 in total is still competing with character slots.

18 character slots, 6 classes, 3 characters per class.

1 character, even with 3 load outs, replaces need for more than 6 character slots.

I was simply saying, this should be achieved via merging 2 or 3 character together resulting in additional loadouts + the option of changing racials between the merged characters. Therefore reducing (optionally) the character list to 6, but allowing for more versatile characters with the capability to change CP, Skills, Att, Gear, AND Racial passive at the same time.

Any infection of Vamp / WW is attached to the racial passive, not the character itself. So you can have a character for instance that is A) A Nord for tanking, but can swap your racial (if merged) to B ) An Orc with WW or C) A High Elf with Vamp via your loadout customization menu.

I'd also give outfit slots more value by having them also provide a loadout capability, where you can change your Appearance (Standard function as is today), and optionally, CP, Skills, Att, Racial (if merged).

That's overly complicating things for the sake of nothing. They don't compete with character slots for precisely the reasons you're listing via this whole merging thing...

You don't get to swap races, or vampire/werewolf etc etc - just CP/Stats/Gear. Most people don't bother buying/running 18 characters to begin with, it's too much effort (especially skyshards/lorebooks/psijics) - but having a loadout option that allows you to quick swap between a PVE/PVP loadout, or Solo/Tank etc adds a huge amount of versatility and freedom to play.

As I've said, these systems already exist in other games and massively improve the experience.

I only play one character. If they add build slots they'll get more money from me, simple. If I want to start playing a new role for the same class, I just respec.

I'm already playing a Khajiit. So I can already play any role, I frequently do that, I have to switch between tank and DD all the time.

I can already do everything this system would offer, except it costs me up to 10 minutes, and some gold.

It's only QOL. It doesn't prevent people from making new characters, for min-maxing, RP, different alliance, etc...

I'm not sure everyone is willing to give up on a BiS race for the sake of versatility.

I'm coming from ff14 that has the holy trinity baked into classes/jobs. It took the devs 6+ years to figure out how to increase tanking in players.

What they did was make aggro management non-existent by making the tank stance be a switch to flip and any and all attacks maintained threat/aggro/taunted. I went from having instant queues in group content to on a good day it be a 5 min wait, on a bad day. 20 min wait.

Tanks players in any mmo has been hit or miss. even in ff14 not all player who play the tank jobs play well even with the changes. Sometimes you just get players who do not care.

I do hope they do fix the issues.

I plan on playing as a tank myself.

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

20 min queue is not bad but sucks when you get a fake tank.

Playing mostly tanks and healers, and using the group finder only occasionally to fill out an incomplete group of guildies, I shudder at the thought of having to wait even 5 minutes.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

I just tanked group finder vet CoH on my level 26 stamDK in training gear. But I had a few things going for me. 1. I know this dungeon and it’s mechanics. 2. Group dps was solid. 3. None stood in red. Much of the issue is a L2P one from players who were prob not geared or knowledgeable enough for the vet content.

Group finder vet CoH with a lvl 26? Really? The vet dungeons are not even accessible before you hit level 50. You are either mistaking normal for vet, confused about which character you played, or flat out lying (badly) to make an argument, which makes that argument look phony.

Also, CoH is not a good test for group performance. It is one of the easiest dungeons in the game, both on vet and normal.

ok

You not need a dual spec system in this game, you can level up 1 new char in 3 - 7 days, especially when is up the xp boost.
The game need a dungeons system - lock/open, as in FF14, coz the most of players not have xp and wasting the time of others and instead to focus on vet Fungal Grotto 1-2 etc etc they jump immediatly in vet Frostvault...this like an example.

The only 2 thing that can help players to make run regular, without lose 5 hours, and run dungeons swift are:
1) improve the loot to push players to play with alts and not only with the main;
2) computer party.

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ThePlayer wrote: »

You not need a dual spec system in this game, you can level up 1 new char in 3 - 7 days, especially when is up the xp boost.
The game need a dungeons system - lock/open, as in FF14, coz the most of players not have xp and wasting the time of others and instead to focus on vet Fungal Grotto 1-2 etc etc they jump immediatly in vet Frostvault...this like an example.

The only 2 thing that can help players to make run regular, without lose 5 hours, and run dungeons swift are:
1) improve the loot to push players to play with alts and not only with the main;
2) computer party.

The concept of "Quality of Life Improvement" is unknown to ZOS.

Some of us non-altoholics like to stick to a single character. Because we love it, we're used to it, we want the achievement points, etc...

Why would I level a new character when I can just practice a new role with a familiar toolkit? That's just more exciting. I was mainly playing DD, then I picked up tanking in January, and yesterday I solo tanked vSS (We got Yolna HM to 50%, I need a bit more practice to pull the atros more consistently). Some of use love to play several roles on the same character, we grew attached to them.

I almost exclusively play one character, and I still didn't run out of content to do after 5 years. I'm still missing a few dungeon and trial achievements, and I'm far away from max PvP rank. Playing several characters just feels like wasted time to me. I vastly prefer pushing my boundaries, exploring everything that's possible to do on only one. And with a spec system, it would just make it more convenient to switch from a role to an other, or from PvE to PvP, it would also help consoles.

No I don't need a spec system, but if I had one I would use it a lot and it would save me a ton of time. That's the point of quality of life, things that are not necessary but make the experience more enjoyable, it's all about convenience.

Be fair with ZoS. They added character reorder, easy respec, precision housing edit, etc... They keep adding free QoL features, that make the game more convenient.

There is an easy way to run regular dungeons that you forgot:
Joining a guild.

We have very regular and varied dungeon runs. We already got most of the trifectas (speedrun/no-death/Hard Mode at the same time), for some of them I was DD, most of them tank, we have a healer that also plays DD too. The runs are smooth and frequent, and I'd be happy to bring a new player to vet Frostvault, they would do fine with a good group around them to teach them The issues you have are simply fixed by having a guild. Group finder not being a reliable way to get smooth dungeon runs isn't a reason to turn down a spec system.