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Why are the new vamp lord monster set (Q3 DLC) and BloodLord's embrace both tanking items?
SlimeBro1
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Why is the effect of this monster set literally just another bloodball?
Why not give something new that relates to vampire lords? Like something that involves bats or death hounds or....something we haven't seen before?
Only kinda irked about this because we already have a bloodball set. Disappointed that the vampire lord monster helm is just that, but it deals damage more or less.
Also another point: Why are the TWO new vampire sets added into the game made for tanks? Yet the skill line is for DPS? I'm so confused.
Edited by SlimeBro1 on July 9, 2020 8:36PM Why not give something new that relates to vampire lords? Like something that involves bats or death hounds or....something we haven't seen before?
Only kinda irked about this because we already have a bloodball set. Disappointed that the vampire lord monster helm is just that, but it deals damage more or less.
Also another point: Why are the TWO new vampire sets added into the game made for tanks? Yet the skill line is for DPS? I'm so confused.
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Paradisius✭✭✭✭Even more curious, it deals disease damage yet the condition is a skill that costs health, now very rarely will a Stamina DPS or a Tank use health for something. But a Magicka DPS nowadays? If your a Vampire that proc condition is handed to you on a silver platter. Yet the damage type they chose scales off Stamina...very weird decision, and not one I am in favor with6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am more worried about 44 ulti gen set when you drink potion... Sounds like something that will make groups to spam ultis, not skill lol
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✭✭✭✭✭probably try to give stamina vampires something...that only use the blood frenzy skill, but I dont know anyone that does that0 -
SshadowSscale✭✭✭✭✭First of monster set plus harmony..... Yeah..... Nice one zos.... Second is the new armor set 44 ult for drinking a potion to you and 3 group mates while nb only gets 10 ult for only themselves..... They legit stole from nbs and improve it5
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Alidel✭✭✭✭Paradisius wrote: »Tank use health for something
Actually all the time, Balance from mages guild and Altar from undaunted.1 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Paradisius wrote: »Even more curious, it deals disease damage yet the condition is a skill that costs health, now very rarely will a Stamina DPS or a Tank use health for something. But a Magicka DPS nowadays? If your a Vampire that proc condition is handed to you on a silver platter. Yet the damage type they chose scales off Stamina...very weird decision, and not one I am in favor with
Wait really? Imagine making a vampire lord monster helm that scales with stamina as dmg over magicka.
I will be making posts about that on the PTS side of the forums come Monday if it is still like that.0 -
VeynrirSoul ShrivenSynergy damage scales with the person activating it. So anyone can use that set, and stamina DDs can activate the synergy.0
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SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »probably try to give stamina vampires something...that only use the blood frenzy skill, but I dont know anyone that does that
They can do that by messing with the skills. Not gimping the only vamp lord monster set we'll ever get.0 -
Paradisius✭✭✭✭Paradisius wrote: »Tank use health for something
Actually all the time, Balance from mages guild and Altar from undaunted.
Thats fair, If a tank needs the sulf sustain or a group needs the lifesteal yes. But I still cant wrap my head around it though, why would a tank use this over any of the more popular tanking sets? Its written as a somewhat selfish damage choice (assuming it spawns at your location, need to do PTS testing to see) So unless you have a stamina dps hugging you as youre tanking (Which in my experience, rarely ever heard of) I dont see alot of point to it...but this is all just theorizing right now, PTS starts monday and it will be 5 weeks available of testing!0 -
Alidel✭✭✭✭People seems to miss the point that it's going to be a tank set, not dd. 111k damage was referred to as dev buff, damage will most likely be pretty low and secondary to major maim.0
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✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »I am more worried about 44 ulti gen set when you drink potion... Sounds like something that will make groups to spam ultis, not skill lol
The guy on the stream had some crazy god-mode dev settings that we don't have access to. It will be much lower for us, thankfully. Though I can see this making things even more bonkers in Cyrodiil.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SshadowSscale wrote: »First of monster set plus harmony..... Yeah..... Nice one zos.... Second is the new armor set 44 ult for drinking a potion to you and 3 group mates while nb only gets 10 ult for only themselves..... They legit stole from nbs and improve it
maybe cool for an argonian nb pvp build together with clever alchemist :-)1 -
Alidel✭✭✭✭Paradisius wrote: »Paradisius wrote: »Tank use health for something
Actually all the time, Balance from mages guild and Altar from undaunted.
Thats fair, If a tank needs the sulf sustain or a group needs the lifesteal yes. But I still cant wrap my head around it though, why would a tank use this over any of the more popular tanking sets? Its written as a somewhat selfish damage choice (assuming it spawns at your location, need to do PTS testing to see) So unless you have a stamina dps hugging you as youre tanking (Which in my experience, rarely ever heard of) I dont see alot of point to it...but this is all just theorizing right now, PTS starts monday and it will be 5 weeks available of testing!
It's just a source of major maim, that's pretty tanky stuff, isn't it?0 -
Maxdevil✭✭✭What are the new sets?"Maxdevil knows much, and tells some. Maxdevil knows many things others do not."
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I guess they believe that vampire can be useful for anything except first skill. Maybe they think there are plenty of vamp tanks around?0 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭
I guess they believe that vampire can be useful for anything except first skill. Maybe they think there are plenty of vamp tanks around?
that's ironic because this set works real well with the vamp's first ability0 -
Alidel✭✭✭✭
I guess they believe that vampire can be useful for anything except first skill. Maybe they think there are plenty of vamp tanks around?
that's ironic because this set works real well with the vamp's first ability
Well, it does have 30 seconds cooldown, so doesn't exactly require spammable to function.0 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭
I guess they believe that vampire can be useful for anything except first skill. Maybe they think there are plenty of vamp tanks around?
that's ironic because this set works real well with the vamp's first ability
Well, it does have 30 seconds cooldown, so doesn't exactly require spammable to function.
Nope, it has a 10 second cooldown.
The major maim is on a 30 second cooldown.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Not every new gear set that debuts is going to cater to your specific playstyle, @SlimeBro1.
There are other new gear sets (that haven't been revealed yet) which will be in Monday's PTS patch notes.
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SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Not every new gear set that debuts is going to cater to your specific playstyle, @SlimeBro1.
There are other new gear sets (that haven't been revealed yet) which will be in Monday's PTS patch notes.
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This post is complaining about the lack of creativity in the vampire "unique" sets. (Monster helm and Mythic item)
And how they both cater to a tanking play style when the vampire skill line is not a tanking line.
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Alidel✭✭✭✭
I guess they believe that vampire can be useful for anything except first skill. Maybe they think there are plenty of vamp tanks around?
that's ironic because this set works real well with the vamp's first ability
Well, it does have 30 seconds cooldown, so doesn't exactly require spammable to function.
Nope, it has a 10 second cooldown.
The major maim is on a 30 second cooldown.
Did miss this, my fault. Well, now it is seem pretty weird, so is it a damage set or tank set? Why two different cooldowns, why disease and major maim? I have so many questions and no one to answer me.Edited by Alidel on July 9, 2020 8:57PM2 -
SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭
I guess they believe that vampire can be useful for anything except first skill. Maybe they think there are plenty of vamp tanks around?
that's ironic because this set works real well with the vamp's first ability
Well, it does have 30 seconds cooldown, so doesn't exactly require spammable to function.
Nope, it has a 10 second cooldown.
The major maim is on a 30 second cooldown.
Did miss this, my fault. Well, now it is seem pretty weird, so is it a damage set or tank set? Why two different cooldowns, why disease and major maim? I have so many questions and no one to answer me.
Exactly, now you get it why I'm so confused by this set!
It's a damage set with tanking stats/effects that has nothing to do with magicka either. (Which idk why both the mythic and monster set for vampires deals with tanking...)0 -
KageNin✭✭✭New monster set will probably replace any other in PvE , bfb is already got to go spammable and having 8dds using this is extra synergy=sustain and damage every 10 seconds, plus self synergy to keep lokke up. Way OP.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
Wait, I noticed the divines buff is at 9.1% over 7.5% on live. Interesting....PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
What in Y'ffre's name is this? o.0"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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SlimeBro1✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
What in Y'ffre's name is this? o.0
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And how they both cater to a tanking play style when the vampire skill line is not a tanking line.
It's worth noting that pre-Greymoor, vampire was actually something many tanks ran, because of the resource regeneration passives and the way that the effectiveness of incoming damage was reduced as health got lower (in the higher stages). Essentially, vamp itself, in stage 3 and 4, made for a "tanky" set of passives. The Greymoor changes have gotten rid of that, of course. Perhaps this is a way of trying to re-introduce the possibility of vampire as a viable play option for tanks?1
