Why did the cost of “Mark of the Pariah” five-year-old set skyrocket?

NeoXanthus · July 2020

I have been using serval sets of “Mark of the Pariah” on different characters sense the release of Orsinium. Anyway, recently I turned one of my PvE tanks into a PvP char and I went to go build anther set of 5 impend Pariah of blue or purple that I found on TTC and turn them into gold, which use to cost me about 30k for all 5 pieces then the market rate for 8 pieces of gold temper last time about 60 days ago it was 45k for 8 temper x 5 items for each armor piece so 255k total +- for a 5 pieces of Pariah gold-ed out minus the glyphs. That use to be a really great value for 5 pieces. Now I am seeing just the purple cuirass going for 90k, the greaves if you look very hard also for around 90k however most are 200k, sabatons average now around 25k, gauntlets average around 10k, and same for the girdle. So, if you add it all up Pariah is now 225k for blue, or purple then to gold it all out and it is now 450k for an impend body set. Does anybody know why the 176% increase after the last patch for Pariah? Pariah did not change stats and if you want to spend the time to farm it the drop rate is the same.

yodased · July 2020

Some streamer released a build im sure. This is the way.

NeoXanthus · July 2020

yodased wrote: »

Some streamer released a build im sure. This is the way.

Man, that sucks. I get so tired of these streamer follow the bouncing ball builds. Part of the fun of this game is making builds yourself or joining a guild and getting help from veterans on builds.

Jaimeh · July 2020

Could it be to oppose Stuhn's Favour which is very popular right now?

Ri_Khan · July 2020

Go run around Wrothgar for an hour, you'll probably have most of a set.

Ratzkifal · July 2020

It's simple. With the nerf to healing and crit resistance being completely completely negated by anyone using Malacath's band of brutality (no crits = no worries about crit resist), regular resistances have become a much more reliable source of damage reduction. Pariah gives the highest source of resistances in the game. It only makes sense that it would now jump up in value.

But please, keep blaming streamers and the people following their builds for balance changes that inconvenienced you economically. The way I see it, making builds is more fun this patch than last one because of that change.

red_emu · July 2020

It's because of the healing nerf in PvP. Now any set that increases your resistances, passive healing etc is BiS.

You can thank ZOS. People complained about unkillable players, so ZOS decided to widen the gap even further by making non tanks squishy and tanky builds invincible.

The only way to adapt to it now is to build a tankier set up while sacrificing your damage, hence Pariah is BiS.

Next class changes sledge hammer is gonna shift it again (probably in the wrong direction as always).

mairwen85 · July 2020

Jaimeh wrote: »

Could it be to oppose Stuhn's Favour which is very popular right now?

You'd more likely pair a set like stuhn's or spinners with pariah to ensure you're still outputting decent enough damage.

Pariah has always been a decent set for pvp (in the right hands it can make a player really annoying to kill) but with the recent changes there was bound to be an increase in demand for it. Its a rock solid overland set. Then there's also the event right now, so even more people looking at it from word of mouth or online builds. So the answer to OP question is for the same reason they're interested in buying it.

Gprime31 · July 2020

Because some genius at zos decided to nerf healing so bad, and make snipe and shields op now, we need the resists.

OtarTheMad · July 2020

Pariah has been a good set for a while the only difference is now, like someone else mentioned, a streamer probably wore it and now it's "in"

FierceSam · July 2020

It’s an overland set... go farm it

Bucky_13 · July 2020

Gotta love how one person says "it's a streamer's fault" with zero things backing it up, then others taking it as the truth and get mad at streamers.

It could just be the healing nerfs to Battle Spirit which made this set far more useful in comparison to pre healing nerf, but sure blame the streamers...

Hotdog_23 · July 2020

Don't forget the change to vampires. Don't get the passive of damage mitigation free any more unless in a higher stage which most stamina will not be in. So some may be looking to Mark of the Pariah to help with that.

Be safe and have fun:)

VoluptaBox · July 2020

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Gotta love how one person says "it's a streamer's fault" with zero things backing it up, then others taking it as the truth and get mad at streamers.

It could just be the healing nerfs to Battle Spirit which made this set far more useful in comparison to pre healing nerf, but sure blame the streamers...

I wouldn't say they're at fault for it, but big streamers do have an influence. I was looking to do a Magika build which happened to run two sets which were also featured in an Alcast build. He had a full set of 'A' on the body with divines and the other as jewelry and weapon. Prices for body pieces in divines 'A' (not giving an actual name because I frankly can't remember which way around it was, I remember for sure that one of the sets was Crafty Alfiq) in divines where insanely high, while the same pieces from the other set were basically given away. Similarly, jewelry and weapons from set 'B' were so much more expensive than those from set 'A' (both light overland sets, mind you). Ended up just switching the sets around and made the build for so much cheaper. I also had a good laugh xD.

As for Pariah, I also noticed how much the prices spiked. I managed to get a full set of impen body pieces for less than 50k not too long before the patch. A friend was looking to buy one as well post patch and I couldn't believe the prices he was telling me about. There's multiple reasons why it spiked, but I do find the set to be very good this meta.

Grianasteri · July 2020

My assumption would be that it is being used in conjunction with Vampire builds & sets that pimp damage output based on missing health, so this set is mitigating the loss of health, with very high resistances.

But why buy it? Run around overland and just collect it.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · July 2020

The reason it got more popular is because other previously better sets were nerfed making it viable again.

Tolino · July 2020

VoluptaBox wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Gotta love how one person says "it's a streamer's fault" with zero things backing it up, then others taking it as the truth and get mad at streamers.

It could just be the healing nerfs to Battle Spirit which made this set far more useful in comparison to pre healing nerf, but sure blame the streamers...

I wouldn't say they're at fault for it, but big streamers do have an influence. I was looking to do a Magika build which happened to run two sets which were also featured in an Alcast build. He had a full set of 'A' on the body with divines and the other as jewelry and weapon. Prices for body pieces in divines 'A' (not giving an actual name because I frankly can't remember which way around it was, I remember for sure that one of the sets was Crafty Alfiq) in divines where insanely high, while the same pieces from the other set were basically given away. Similarly, jewelry and weapons from set 'B' were so much more expensive than those from set 'A' (both light overland sets, mind you). Ended up just switching the sets around and made the build for so much cheaper. I also had a good laugh xD.

As for Pariah, I also noticed how much the prices spiked. I managed to get a full set of impen body pieces for less than 50k not too long before the patch. A friend was looking to buy one as well post patch and I couldn't believe the prices he was telling me about. There's multiple reasons why it spiked, but I do find the set to be very good this meta.

They don't make the Meta! They just show those without time/knowlege what Meta is...

Ectheliontnacil · July 2020

Maybe a streamer released a pariah build but more likely the cause is that there's a lack of viable alternatives in pvp.
Tanky monster sets were nerfed and the go-to defensive set for pvp took two big hits (nerfed the bonus of impreg and malacath makes it redundant).
So people are left with armour master and pariah essentially, mag has swift too but apart from that there's no good sets that provide mitigation afaik.

UrbanMonk · July 2020

So a streamer/youtuber finds a way to deal with the current healing reduction with a perticular set so that players who don't have enough time or mindset to theorycraft builds, is at fault to do so.

Here it comes....
If you don't like it, then you don't have to use it or else, deal with it in your own way.

Now to the point of pariah, I don't like the set, its just a personal preference because I'd rather find some active way of avoiding damage, than a set doing it passively for me. But hey, thats my PoV. Or I'd rather work on getting the lost healing from some other set while still bein able to sustain and do damage.

Elwendryll · July 2020

I noticed the same thing with footman (from DSA). I wanted to try some dumb build to block vKA empowered heavies on my sorc (Turned out bound Aegis is enoug), and the cheapest shield I found was worth 100k. I don't know who uses that, but the prices were very high for what it is.

Bucky_13 · July 2020

UrbanMonk wrote: »

Here it comes....
If you don't like it, then you don't have to use it or else, deal with it in your own way.

Now to the point of pariah, I don't like the set, its just a personal preference because I'd rather find some active way of avoiding damage, than a set doing it passively for me. But hey, thats my PoV. Or I'd rather work on getting the lost healing from some other set while still bein able to sustain and do damage.

Depends on how you play a certain character, for my stamblade sniper I do the same thing, it's a glass cannon which still have really strong heals, which along with dodging, cloak and being aware of LOS can survive a lot despite being built to be two shotted by another sniper.

Now I'm leveling a magdk for use in Cyro, my view is a bit different as the way I want to play it, pariah is very much a set I'm looking to use for that character.

And as far as alcast and pvp goes, I tend to look there as a reference when I'm going with a spec I'm not used to. But I always end up changing most of it while I theory craft. It's a nice starting point, but that's about it.

And having multiple setups is something I don't often see mentioned. I use 3 different for my sniper depending on what I wanna do in cyro, one is a pure gank build that I rarely use anymore, one is a sneak/speed build for when I wanna be annoying, scout or get somewhere fast. The last and main one have evolved into more of a hybrid build that somehow works in most situations.

VoluptaBox · July 2020

Tolino wrote: »

VoluptaBox wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Gotta love how one person says "it's a streamer's fault" with zero things backing it up, then others taking it as the truth and get mad at streamers.

It could just be the healing nerfs to Battle Spirit which made this set far more useful in comparison to pre healing nerf, but sure blame the streamers...

I wouldn't say they're at fault for it, but big streamers do have an influence. I was looking to do a Magika build which happened to run two sets which were also featured in an Alcast build. He had a full set of 'A' on the body with divines and the other as jewelry and weapon. Prices for body pieces in divines 'A' (not giving an actual name because I frankly can't remember which way around it was, I remember for sure that one of the sets was Crafty Alfiq) in divines where insanely high, while the same pieces from the other set were basically given away. Similarly, jewelry and weapons from set 'B' were so much more expensive than those from set 'A' (both light overland sets, mind you). Ended up just switching the sets around and made the build for so much cheaper. I also had a good laugh xD.

As for Pariah, I also noticed how much the prices spiked. I managed to get a full set of impen body pieces for less than 50k not too long before the patch. A friend was looking to buy one as well post patch and I couldn't believe the prices he was telling me about. There's multiple reasons why it spiked, but I do find the set to be very good this meta.

They don't make the Meta! They just show those without time/knowlege what Meta is...

Depends on your definition of Meta. If you go by the 'textbook' definition (most effective tactics available), I would tend to agree with you. If you go with the more common definition, aka what is most commonly ran, I would definitely argue that influencers of any kind are those who determine it. But just to be 100% clear, I am not saying this as if it were a bad thing or something that the influencers should be faulted for.

redlink1979 · July 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

With the nerf to healing and crit resistance being completely completely negated by anyone using Malacath's band of brutality (no crits = no worries about crit resist), regular resistances have become a much more reliable source of damage reduction. Pariah gives the highest source of resistances in the game.

^ This

OtarTheMad · July 2020

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Gotta love how one person says "it's a streamer's fault" with zero things backing it up, then others taking it as the truth and get mad at streamers.

It could just be the healing nerfs to Battle Spirit which made this set far more useful in comparison to pre healing nerf, but sure blame the streamers...

Streamers and any content creators shouldn't get any sort of hate or anger shot at them. They are just playing a build that they enjoy, the only difference between them and say you or I, is that they have a platform for all to see them.

Plus popular sets tend to cycle, that's why I never decon sets that I find good or that were once good but fell out of favor/don't work. They may be bad now but who knows what the next DLC or chapter will bring.

UrbanMonk · July 2020

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Gotta love how one person says "it's a streamer's fault" with zero things backing it up, then others taking it as the truth and get mad at streamers.

It could just be the healing nerfs to Battle Spirit which made this set far more useful in comparison to pre healing nerf, but sure blame the streamers...

Streamers and any content creators shouldn't get any sort of hate or anger shot at them. They are just playing a build that they enjoy, the only difference between them and say you or I, is that they have a platform for all to see them.

Plus popular sets tend to cycle, that's why I never decon sets that I find good or that were once good but fell out of favor/don't work. They may be bad now but who knows what the next DLC or chapter will bring.

Thats why I have 3 toons holding every bit of trash which might become gold some day..

mairwen85 · July 2020

UrbanMonk wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Gotta love how one person says "it's a streamer's fault" with zero things backing it up, then others taking it as the truth and get mad at streamers.

It could just be the healing nerfs to Battle Spirit which made this set far more useful in comparison to pre healing nerf, but sure blame the streamers...

Streamers and any content creators shouldn't get any sort of hate or anger shot at them. They are just playing a build that they enjoy, the only difference between them and say you or I, is that they have a platform for all to see them.

Plus popular sets tend to cycle, that's why I never decon sets that I find good or that were once good but fell out of favor/don't work. They may be bad now but who knows what the next DLC or chapter will bring.

Thats why I have 3 toons holding every bit of trash which might become gold some day..

The meta shift makes a hoarder out of all of us eventually.

pod88kk · July 2020

Dragoox released a build using it

mairwen85 · July 2020

pod88kk wrote: »

Dragoox released a build using it

... and dottz, and several others, but they are only using it because of the changes this patch. It's not a chicken and egg scenario; ZOS make fundamental changes, content creators and players in the know react, other players follow suit.

kathandira · July 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

It's simple. With the nerf to healing and crit resistance being completely completely negated by anyone using Malacath's band of brutality (no crits = no worries about crit resist), regular resistances have become a much more reliable source of damage reduction. Pariah gives the highest source of resistances in the game. It only makes sense that it would now jump up in value.

But please, keep blaming streamers and the people following their builds for balance changes that inconvenienced you economically. The way I see it, making builds is more fun this patch than last one because of that change.

Most people likely don't research sets and builds on their own, they go off what their friends tell them to do. So if a streamer did point this set out, I could see how this could spread via word of mouth from streamer and through the community.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · July 2020

There is an easy way to test who is the cause ZoS or a streamer.
1) Check ALL the pieces stream watchers will fellow step by step so it the streamer used boots of X so will they and the waist will be cheap. If all pieces are are at a higher price it’s most likely not a streamer.

2) What is the price of other sets that do a similar job if base resistance set are unchanged but for a few it’s a new streamer build if all base resistance sets are more expensive it’s a meta shift.

It’s just that simple.

Danksta · July 2020

Other resistance sets were nerfed and pariah was untouched.