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Why are so few pvpers?
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭the one with the stragglers mythic item, and malacath band that I probably can't mention here
I keep seeing people mention this but no one wants to elaborate or say why these items are buggy or exploitable. Also no mention of them in reported bugs or being discussed anywhere outside of a small group of PvPers bemoaning their existence. Yet supposedly people have an issue with how they are 'exploited', but rather than report or expose that, they just mention it with a nudge and a wink 🤷2 -
vestahls✭✭✭✭✭
✭Being fast-paced for an MMO, this adds a skill-gap between people really really dedicated to PVP and everyone else. The learning curve is steep. Add to that the power-creep due to CP, gear, etc.
On top of that, performance in PVP areas, but particularly in Cyro, takes the patience out of people. You're left with players who literally want nothing other than PVP, in a game that offers a lot of nicer alternatives.“He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”luv Abnur
luv Rigurt
luv Stibbons
'ate Ayrenn
'ate Razum-dar
'ate Khamira
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Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm in 2 Cyro PvP guilds on PC EU on EP side, both in no CP campaign mainly. No clue about guilds for CP Cyro. One of them have more members and often run pugs under various names, while the other is smaller, we usually run smallscale, often with discord and that one doubles as a social guild as well for me.
There are a few other guilds there too, both larger and smaller.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »Because PvP in this game is not fun
See, I just don't get that. I've played a few MMOs. Outside of Deep Space PVP in Star Wars: Galaxies, this is the only game whose PVP I enjoy. It actually ties into the story, has clear objectives, and rewards players for creative ways of out-thinking each other. There's plenty of just players wailing on players, and that can be fun for a while, too. But Cyrodiil actually kinda feels like it means something. That's fun."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle5 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For me it just comes down to the fact that I'm not that competitive. I have absolutely no interest in trying to prove I'm better than some random stranger on the internet, or that the arbitrary group I picked because I had to do it to get through character creation is better than the arbitrary group they picked. If someone wants to prove their build is so much better than mine I'm happy to agree it probably is and get on with using my build to complete content which actually interests me instead.
Under those conditions PvP in this game pretty much comes down to a small selection of very repetitive actions which gets boring quickly and I'd rather go back to PvE where even if a lot of the gameplay can be summarised as 'talk to NPC, go to location, kill something, talk to NPC again' at least there's a story to give it some variety.
I'll play PvP occasionally (although I'm more likely to do it in other games than ESO) but it gets boring very quickly for me and then I go and do something else instead.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"6 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭In my case what puts me off it is the toxicity, the trolling, the general being a *** that seems to come with competitive gameplay. Actually battlegrounds I don't mind so much but the zone pvp areas just burn me out far too much.4 -
XxMissAlycexX✭✭✭I guess its all about who you meet. Most people i know and often play with are die hard PVP nerds.XxMissAlycexX - Xbox One - NA1 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »In my case what puts me off it is the toxicity, the trolling, the general being a *** that seems to come with competitive gameplay. Actually battlegrounds I don't mind so much but the zone pvp areas just burn me out far too much.
I've encountered just as much toxicity in PvE to be fair. bIt's just a different type of it.11 -
Aleinzzs✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »In my case what puts me off it is the toxicity, the trolling, the general being a *** that seems to come with competitive gameplay. Actually battlegrounds I don't mind so much but the zone pvp areas just burn me out far too much.
just gonna have to say, pve players are just as toxic, there is just a much larger group of pve players so the toxicity isn't as easily noticed.
That being said i've met way more chill people i enjoy chatting with in pvp than i have with pve. especially when you find those hardcore pve players that wanna push scores and get content done first attempt etc. Overall the toxic wow community that came to eso is prolly a big part of this issue, but it's part of the reason im strictly pvp now.7 -
Orchish✭✭✭✭✭
✭Disgraceful performance for years now. The fact it has got worse since 2014 and not better is just too much for most people.2 -
Burtan✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »It makes me a whole lot less sympathetic to PVPers complaining they don't get enough attention when there's an entire event designed specifically to introduce new players to their content and they treat those new players like some kind of skin disease. The noobs don't experience PVP as a group, they don't have a good time, and they don't come back. And that's on the PVPers who are unwilling to group pugs, not on ZOS.
that's like saying endgame PvE raid groups should take my 20k dps PvP build with them to vet trials.
I would call that a bad analogy, but it's so nonsensical it doesn't even qualify as an analogy.
I'm saying that you cant expect experienced PvPers to group with pugs because they are likely to woefully underperform. As it stands Cyrodiil is already way too dependent on mass zerging which is why so many players never improve and remain 1vX material even after playing since beta.
Dwindling PvP population isn't the fault of PvPers.6 -
Grandchamp1989✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭For me, balance is weird sometimes.
It seems hard for them to find a good balance between PvP and PvE crowd.Edited by Grandchamp1989 on September 23, 2021 8:52AM7 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »In my case what puts me off it is the toxicity, the trolling, the general being a *** that seems to come with competitive gameplay. Actually battlegrounds I don't mind so much but the zone pvp areas just burn me out far too much.
just gonna have to say, pve players are just as toxic, there is just a much larger group of pve players so the toxicity isn't as easily noticed.
That being said i've met way more chill people i enjoy chatting with in pvp than i have with pve. especially when you find those hardcore pve players that wanna push scores and get content done first attempt etc. Overall the toxic wow community that came to eso is prolly a big part of this issue, but it's part of the reason im strictly pvp now.
I've found the opposite. PVE players seem more chill for the most part that I'e met and just want to have fun no one cares which alliance you're on and there's a lot of just crazy randomness like one day I logged into Davon's watch to see a whole lot of people dancing, playing instruments and all sorts of random stuff. I loved that. Most pvers I've met her were good people and I do have some friends who are pvpers and met some decent ones but I've also met far more people were on the end of well I find the pvp side burns me out too quickly from all that and it's why I've never been able to stick to it. Makes me end up hating playing this game.1 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For me it’s a challenge to get into... no matter how much I might want to
The learning curve is steep... no one likes “learning by dying” especially in a toxic atmosphere - one BG with a w*nker in your team is enough to turn anyone off PvP - I mean has anyone ever found abuse is an effective teaching tool? (And yes this also applies to PvE ).
ZOS do themselves and the game no favours by making it as time consuming, difficult and expensive as possible to switch a character from a PvE set up to a PvP oriented one.
It’s the same story every day... While some of my guilds have been very active in MYM in the past, none of them were bothered this time round.
Even more than PvE trials progression, you need some kind of PvP progression groups unless your idea of fun is zerging round the same 3 outposts in Cyrodiil over and over and over again....Edited by FierceSam on July 7, 2020 9:02AM6 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »Because PvP in this game is not fun
See, I just don't get that. I've played a few MMOs. Outside of Deep Space PVP in Star Wars: Galaxies, this is the only game whose PVP I enjoy. It actually ties into the story, has clear objectives, and rewards players for creative ways of out-thinking each other. There's plenty of just players wailing on players, and that can be fun for a while, too. But Cyrodiil actually kinda feels like it means something. That's fun.
PvP based on character skills/gear, is not fun to me, at all.. Add to that a horrible lag and some real nasty toxicity.. Bad combo3 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭For me it’s a challenge to get into... no matter how much I might want to
The learning curve is steep... no one likes “learning by dying” especially in a toxic atmosphere - one BG with a *** in your team is enough to turn anyone off PvP - I mean has anyone ever found abuse is an effective teaching too? (And yes this also applies to PvE ).
ZOS do themselves and the game no favours by making it as time consuming, difficult and expensive as possible to switch a character from a PvE set up to a PvP oriented one.
It’s the same story every day... While some of my guilds have been very active in MYM in the past, none of them were bothered this time round.
Even more than PvE trials progression, you need some kind of PvP progression groups unless your idea of fun is zerging round the same 3 outposts in Cyrodiil over and over and over again....
See battlegrounds was the only pvp I actually enjoyed. I did sometimes get *** in my team but they'd usually end up just leaving mid match and we'd get someone else after a bit.0 -
dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lots of players PVP in ESO. The Grey Host campaign (NA PC) is usually pop-locked on all 3 alliances for most of the day. I know the caps were lowered & it's less than previously. Queuing into BGs is pretty quick at any time of the day. It might be a small percentage of the total players... but there are still a lot.
NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0 -
Aleinzzs✭✭✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »In my case what puts me off it is the toxicity, the trolling, the general being a *** that seems to come with competitive gameplay. Actually battlegrounds I don't mind so much but the zone pvp areas just burn me out far too much.
just gonna have to say, pve players are just as toxic, there is just a much larger group of pve players so the toxicity isn't as easily noticed.
That being said i've met way more chill people i enjoy chatting with in pvp than i have with pve. especially when you find those hardcore pve players that wanna push scores and get content done first attempt etc. Overall the toxic wow community that came to eso is prolly a big part of this issue, but it's part of the reason im strictly pvp now.
I've found the opposite. PVE players seem more chill for the most part that I'e met and just want to have fun no one cares which alliance you're on and there's a lot of just crazy randomness like one day I logged into Davon's watch to see a whole lot of people dancing, playing instruments and all sorts of random stuff. I loved that. Most pvers I've met her were good people and I do have some friends who are pvpers and met some decent ones but I've also met far more people were on the end of well I find the pvp side burns me out too quickly from all that and it's why I've never been able to stick to it. Makes me end up hating playing this game.
could just be the ppl we played with. i found a group of good players that wanted to get better pve wise, but they took it all way too seriously and ended up making me HATE the pve side of it.
while i get your statement about the people running around playin instruments etc, thats more of a rp thing than just a pve thing. when i say pve player i mean someone that goes and attempts the content, not someone that logs on for 4 hours shoots the *** in /zone chat and logs off. those people are the ones that spend money on all the stupid little *** in the crown store and keep the game alive. i play the game to accomplish something and take my time up. not to sit there and have a social group dancing on tables in a tavern that is not to be named
unlike the pvp players i've met who generally wanna get better, but dont take losses too badly. most of the pve people i met raged hard, or got upset easily when dying in pve.... ya know assuming they did their jobs. but thats the other part of the issue for me. i wanna do a raid i need 12 people who know what they're doing to get it done semi well. in pvp i can take myself and one other and kill 15 people and defend the keep, if someone dies, we dont HAVE to get em back up and follow mechanics. PVP in my eyes is much more challenging, but much more fun overall because it's not gonna be the same old zmaja mechs etc etc etc2 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »In my case what puts me off it is the toxicity, the trolling, the general being a *** that seems to come with competitive gameplay. Actually battlegrounds I don't mind so much but the zone pvp areas just burn me out far too much.
just gonna have to say, pve players are just as toxic, there is just a much larger group of pve players so the toxicity isn't as easily noticed.
That being said i've met way more chill people i enjoy chatting with in pvp than i have with pve. especially when you find those hardcore pve players that wanna push scores and get content done first attempt etc. Overall the toxic wow community that came to eso is prolly a big part of this issue, but it's part of the reason im strictly pvp now.
I've found the opposite. PVE players seem more chill for the most part that I'e met and just want to have fun no one cares which alliance you're on and there's a lot of just crazy randomness like one day I logged into Davon's watch to see a whole lot of people dancing, playing instruments and all sorts of random stuff. I loved that. Most pvers I've met her were good people and I do have some friends who are pvpers and met some decent ones but I've also met far more people were on the end of well I find the pvp side burns me out too quickly from all that and it's why I've never been able to stick to it. Makes me end up hating playing this game.
could just be the ppl we played with. i found a group of good players that wanted to get better pve wise, but they took it all way too seriously and ended up making me HATE the pve side of it.
while i get your statement about the people running around playin instruments etc, thats more of a rp thing than just a pve thing. when i say pve player i mean someone that goes and attempts the content, not someone that logs on for 4 hours shoots the *** in /zone chat and logs off. those people are the ones that spend money on all the stupid little *** in the crown store and keep the game alive. i play the game to accomplish something and take my time up. not to sit there and have a social group dancing on tables in a tavern that is not to be named
unlike the pvp players i've met who generally wanna get better, but dont take losses too badly. most of the pve people i met raged hard, or got upset easily when dying in pve.... ya know assuming they did their jobs. but thats the other part of the issue for me. i wanna do a raid i need 12 people who know what they're doing to get it done semi well. in pvp i can take myself and one other and kill 15 people and defend the keep, if someone dies, we dont HAVE to get em back up and follow mechanics. PVP in my eyes is much more challenging, but much more fun overall because it's not gonna be the same old zmaja mechs etc etc etc
It was less rp and more just crazy randomness like no one was trying to rp a character just mess around and have fun. But even in dungeon groups and such I met some friends where we all started doing dungeon runs in the nordic bathing towel just for laughs. I've met a lot of good people in the pve crowd most of these people will do dungeons questing and such but a lot of them also are willing to just mess around and have fun at times. And two people I met playing instruments in a town and I joined in turned out they were doing it while waiting on a dungeon que and asked if I could help. Speaking of I've seen plenty in pve crowd someone asking for help with something in zone chat and getting plenty willing to help like world bosses or whatever and I'll usually help out if I can.Edited by ZaroktheImmortal on July 7, 2020 9:30AM0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I startrd doing pvp after 5 years of only pve and am enjoying ot now, but ot requires adjustment....
I think having some low skill fun pvp modes like gw2 has could attract more people to pvp, like racing or their survival and crab game...
I also think removing cp from any pvp would be a good idea to balance things out more...
This way you cold also have only the same type of campaigns in cyrodiil, and instead of choosing one, the system automatically appoints one to you when entering based on population balance and server load...0 -
ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Besides the fact that ESO as is the game is more pve focused so yeah. Lots to do outside of pvp.3 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
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ZOS do themselves and the game no favours by making it as time consuming, difficult and expensive as possible to switch a character from a PvE set up to a PvP oriented one.
Every game's designer makes the mistake of making respeccing too difficult, at least among the ones I've played (mainly Guild Wars, LOTRO, Guild Wars 2, and ESO). Why they think they need that "friction" has never been clear to me.Edited by FrancisCrawford on July 7, 2020 10:50AM0 -
Keledus✭✭✭Ebonheart Pact is probably least played on EU in pvp.
DC is the dominant alliance, and AD is the alliance filled with non pvpers.
You just gotta know where to look and you'll find fights, during midyear mayhem and even before tbh I haven't had a single time in pvp that I couldn't find people to play against.
Only during harrowstorm patch it was quite bad but that was for everyone.PC - EU1 -
West93✭✭✭✭✭Actually coming back from classic WoW, ESO respeccing is a lot cheaper. If you play in No CP, you don't need to respec CP points at all, just change your gearset and couple skill morphs, which doesn't cost much and you would regain that gold back by couple reward of the worthy.
What I actually love about ESO, you don't need to do pve raids (trials) to get pvp gear, a lot of good gear can be obtained overland and crafted, veteran dungeons are not too hard to complete (and they are quick) for monster helmet and need only 4 players.
As a pvp player here, I don't even need to farm gold by doing pve (which I hated doing in classic WoW), yesterday made thousands of telvars by just fighting pvp in IC, not even trying to look for bosses, my all gear is golden upgraded, I have all poisons and potions I need and I am not even trying to become rich, because I hate grinding for gold.Edited by West93 on July 7, 2020 11:09AM1 -
Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭talking from the lucky few that do not have performance problems:
pvp requires a heavy amount of dedication and research. It is full of meta or bis gear and if you don't use it, you can't even start competing. So pvp is either elite, or out. Not everyone is prepared to invest so much time and effort to barely touch the water with their feet. And when they see the water is cold, even fewer people are going to still swim.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube6 -
Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭PvP's been my thing since Pong and Combat on Atari 2600. I originally came to this game over 6 years ago with a bunch of friends, thrilled that there was finally going to be a TES multiplayer experience. Unfortunately, none of us lasted more than a couple months before calling it quits. The level of disappointment that ZOS has served up since then has been unparalleled. It's one of the most poorly balanced and terribly performing online multiplayer environments I've ever set foot in. If it wasn't for the PvE aspects that I can actually enjoy (which are quickly dwindling as performance continues to deteriorate), I would've never reinstalled.0