How do you obtain leads for ancestral motifs? Is it treasure maps?

naturebased · May 2020

I was in deshaan and had deshann treasure map 1 in my inventory. When I opened it I got a lead for both ancestral nord maces and boots. I'm wondering if other leads have to be found within treasure maps? And if so does that mean ALL treasure maps are worth keeping? A month ago I trashed all mine that werent zones with decent overland sets.

B0SSzombie · May 2020

naturebased wrote: »

I was in deshaan and had deshann treasure map 1 in my inventory. When I opened it I got a lead for both ancestral nord maces and boots. I'm wondering if other leads have to be found within treasure maps? And if so does that mean ALL treasure maps are worth keeping? A month ago I trashed all mine that werent zones with decent overland sets.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/524115/antiquities-leads-lead-locations-uber-thread/p1

Seems that the Motif leads might exclusively come from Treasure Map Chests, with 2 Per zone (except Khenarthi's Roost, which has 4 because there is only one Starter Zone for the Dominion).

naturebased · May 2020

B0SSzombie wrote: »

naturebased wrote: »

I was in deshaan and had deshann treasure map 1 in my inventory. When I opened it I got a lead for both ancestral nord maces and boots. I'm wondering if other leads have to be found within treasure maps? And if so does that mean ALL treasure maps are worth keeping? A month ago I trashed all mine that werent zones with decent overland sets.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/524115/antiquities-leads-lead-locations-uber-thread/p1

Seems that the Motif leads might exclusively come from Treasure Map Chests, with 2 Per zone (except Khenarthi's Roost, which has 4 because there is only one Starter Zone for the Dominion).

Wow treasure maps are 100% worth holding onto now

Taleof2Cities · May 2020

naturebased wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

naturebased wrote: »

I was in deshaan and had deshann treasure map 1 in my inventory. When I opened it I got a lead for both ancestral nord maces and boots. I'm wondering if other leads have to be found within treasure maps? And if so does that mean ALL treasure maps are worth keeping? A month ago I trashed all mine that werent zones with decent overland sets.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/524115/antiquities-leads-lead-locations-uber-thread/p1

Seems that the Motif leads might exclusively come from Treasure Map Chests, with 2 Per zone (except Khenarthi's Roost, which has 4 because there is only one Starter Zone for the Dominion).

Wow treasure maps are 100% worth holding onto now

The motif styles aren’t the “cat’s meow” in terms of actually wanting display them on your character, IMO.

But, for completionist players who need them for their style collection, this will likely not matter.

naturebased · June 2020

Are the leads on a 24 hour cooldown? I did a bunch of treasure maps in different zones and only got a lead on the very first...

Inklings · June 2020

naturebased wrote: »

Are the leads on a 24 hour cooldown? I did a bunch of treasure maps in different zones and only got a lead on the very first...

No. There is no timer. I collected them all just a few days after. Release.

https://twitter.com/Inklings_ESO/status/1266114151916670981?s=19

Feric51 · June 2020

Are the ancestral motif chapters BoP, or are they able to be sold?

I realize the leads are "bound," but can you sell the motif chapters that you find with the leads?

Ackwalan · June 2020

Feric51 wrote: »

Are the ancestral motif chapters BoP, or are they able to be sold?

I realize the leads are "bound," but can you sell the motif chapters that you find with the leads?

The motifs can be sold.

Feric51 · June 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

Are the ancestral motif chapters BoP, or are they able to be sold?

I realize the leads are "bound," but can you sell the motif chapters that you find with the leads?

The motifs can be sold.

Awesome.

@Inklings I'm on console and am quickly running out of mailbox, storage coffer and alt inventory space from stocking up on cheap maps right now. Man on man do I wish the treasure maps stacked like recipes/surveys.

Ackwalan · June 2020

Feric51 wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

Are the ancestral motif chapters BoP, or are they able to be sold?

I realize the leads are "bound," but can you sell the motif chapters that you find with the leads?

The motifs can be sold.

Awesome.

@Inklings I'm on console and am quickly running out of mailbox, storage coffer and alt inventory space from stocking up on cheap maps right now. Man on man do I wish the treasure maps stacked like recipes/surveys.

It's only the base zone maps that drop them. The chapter. DLC and Craglorn zones don't.

Inklings · June 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

Are the ancestral motif chapters BoP, or are they able to be sold?

I realize the leads are "bound," but can you sell the motif chapters that you find with the leads?

The motifs can be sold.

Awesome.

@Inklings I'm on console and am quickly running out of mailbox, storage coffer and alt inventory space from stocking up on cheap maps right now. Man on man do I wish the treasure maps stacked like recipes/surveys.

It's only the base zone maps that drop them. The chapter. DLC and Craglorn zones don't.

Thought not the best source, non base zone maps can drop other types of leads though as well.

Also for anyone that is buying maps to stock up, i bought 5 maps of each base zone and it was enough to get me all the motifs.

ShadowPaladin · June 2020

Inklings wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Feric51 wrote: »

Are the ancestral motif chapters BoP, or are they able to be sold?

I realize the leads are "bound," but can you sell the motif chapters that you find with the leads?

The motifs can be sold.

Awesome.

@Inklings I'm on console and am quickly running out of mailbox, storage coffer and alt inventory space from stocking up on cheap maps right now. Man on man do I wish the treasure maps stacked like recipes/surveys.

It's only the base zone maps that drop them. The chapter. DLC and Craglorn zones don't.

Thought not the best source, non base zone maps can drop other types of leads though as well.

Also for anyone that is buying maps to stock up, i bought 5 maps of each base zone and it was enough to get me all the motifs.

Lucky you. Yesterday I did 120 maps (40 for each faction) and was only able to get 90% of the orc-motif. From the ancestral elf and nord I was only able to get 2 leads each (so, only 1 chest from each faction had leads in it)

. The RNG seems to be really bad for me

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Best regards
Shadow

Jayne_Doe · June 2020

I guess it's a good thing that I never took the time to collect all the treasure maps that are stowed in my storage and on all my alts. I would sell any Cyrodiil ones, but all the others I just held onto (though I did sell a bunch a couple years ago). Many are base game, but I also have a LOT of NE/SE from dragons.

Time to start collecting those base game maps!

goldenarcher1 · June 2020

Its no wonder treasure maps have shot up in price.

Nord_Raseri · June 2020

Does any particular map number drop them or any? For instance, three Bleakrock Treasure Map I dropped nothing but a Bleakrock Treasure Map II did. Same with Shadowfen and Bal Foyen. Both nothing in I, but dropped in II. Or is that just coincidence?

Starlock · June 2020

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Does any particular map number drop them or any? For instance, three Bleakrock Treasure Map I dropped nothing but a Bleakrock Treasure Map II did. Same with Shadowfen and Bal Foyen. Both nothing in I, but dropped in II. Or is that just coincidence?

From my experience, it takes roughly 1 to 4 treasure maps to get the motif leads to drop so I'm guessing it is a 20-25% chance. I don't think it matters what number the map is.

Feric51 · June 2020

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Does any particular map number drop them or any? For instance, three Bleakrock Treasure Map I dropped nothing but a Bleakrock Treasure Map II did. Same with Shadowfen and Bal Foyen. Both nothing in I, but dropped in II. Or is that just coincidence?

It's random. I've gotten leads from both maps in Bleakrock, Betnikh and Bal Foyen. I've opened four or five chests in a row with no leads, then also gotten motif leads from three straight chests (after scrying/excavating the initial set of leads).

It's also possible to get partial motif leads if you haven't completed the full set before opening another chest. (IE: I was doing Khenarthi's Roost that provides 4 motif leads and had already scryed all four leads but only excavated two when I happened to be in the vicinity of one of the less convenient treasure chests (II/IV) so I went ahead and dug it up. It provided me with the leads for the two motifs I had just excavated, but not for the two still sitting in my scryed-but-not-excavated queue.)

In an extremely limited sample (I'm on console), I have received leads in about 33% of the treasure map chests I've opened. ~90% of those have been for the zone's motif chapters, the other ~10% for a purple furnishing. Last night was an exceptionally productive night in Deshaan where 4 out of 6 chests provided the motif leads.

Nord_Raseri · June 2020

A few 100k gold later and still no leads from Eastmarch, rift, or stonefalls...

Feric51 · June 2020

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

A few 100k gold later and still no leads from Eastmarch, rift, or stonefalls...

So far, Greenshade has been my nemesis zone. Think I’m about 7 chests in without a single motif lead. Most of the other zones I’ve worked through are giving me the lead one the first or second chest.

MasterSpatula · July 2020

Either I've begun encountering truly awful luck, or ZOS has dropped the drop rate on these through the floor. My first couple of outings with treasure maps were quite productive. Today, I went out with 29 maps and had pages in two of them--and those two were in the same zone, so were the same two pages! And I already had them.

I have to say, ZOS did an astounding job of turning joy into disappointment for me today.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · July 2020

I usually do the treasure chests anyway, but with the motifs added I'll start up a weekly treasure chest/survey run with my crafter. I'll still trash some of the really remote TCs, but I'll make more of an effort on the easier remote chests. And over the course of 6 months (or even a year), my crafter will have passively collected all the motifs.

Ryori729 · July 2020

Had a similar experience to Shadow above.. Started going through AD and got the leads in Khenarthi's, Auidon and Grahtwood within 2 or 3 chests in each zone.Then hit a hard wall at Greenshade. 0-5 there. 0-6 in Malabal Tor, 0-3 in Reapers. Moved on to Stros and 0-5. So no motif leads in 19 straight chests. At a 20% chance that's a 1 in a hundred run. So possible of course but unlikely.

I would be willing to buy maps even with the hiked up prices, but at 0-19 I'm just buying decon items.

Update: Tried a couple of other toons and other zones. Got some maps from the Guild Stores. Got the leads from the first pull in Stros. Then haven't had a motif pull since. 0-2 in Greenshade, 0-4 Glenumbra, 0-3 Stormhaven, 0-2 Stonefalls, 0-3 Bleak Rock, 0-4 Bal Foyen, 0-3 Eastmarch. So I am now 1 for 40.

The odd thing is that I did get a 3 or 4 leads, just not for the motifs. They were for items which, based on other's work on leads, dropped from other sources, not the maps.