MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
MurderMostFoul wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
And can have 100% uptime vs multiple targets.
And 2-4 bonuses are very strong.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
Not everybody has access to good sources of major fracture. Actually only 2 classes have. Nightblades have too, but in practice they don't use it that often, because well during burst you have no free GCD to apply it, and if you apply it before the burst, target will be already alerted. So it is what OP says - requirement of extra action to activate is very noticeable (if set used on back bar).
We may look even further - majority of builds have s&b backbar, and if 5k pen was so great power, everybody will use ransack. When you last time saw ransack from player? It is again about extra GCD/ability slot.MurderMostFoul wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
And can have 100% uptime vs multiple targets.
And 2-4 bonuses are very strong.
Yes, but if you want to activate by dizzy you need to use Stuhn's on front, that means no NMA front. If you want to dizzy and then swap back, activate stuhn's, swap back... to much time spent swapping back and forth.
And if on back with some class ability, then it consumes too much time too. On another side, if it will be activating when you put somebody off-balance it will have bad uptime against single target...
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
Not everybody has access to good sources of major fracture. Actually only 2 classes have. Nightblades have too, but in practice they don't use it that often, because well during burst you have no free GCD to apply it, and if you apply it before the burst, target will be already alerted. So it is what OP says - requirement of extra action to activate is very noticeable (if set used on back bar).
We may look even further - majority of builds have s&b backbar, and if 5k pen was so great power, everybody will use ransack. When you last time saw ransack from player? It is again about extra GCD/ability slot.MurderMostFoul wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
And can have 100% uptime vs multiple targets.
And 2-4 bonuses are very strong.
Yes, but if you want to activate by dizzy you need to use Stuhn's on front, that means no NMA front. If you want to dizzy and then swap back, activate stuhn's, swap back... to much time spent swapping back and forth.
And if on back with some class ability, then it consumes too much time too. On another side, if it will be activating when you put somebody off-balance it will have bad uptime against single target...
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
Not everybody has access to good sources of major fracture. Actually only 2 classes have. Nightblades have too, but in practice they don't use it that often, because well during burst you have no free GCD to apply it, and if you apply it before the burst, target will be already alerted. So it is what OP says - requirement of extra action to activate is very noticeable (if set used on back bar).
We may look even further - majority of builds have s&b backbar, and if 5k pen was so great power, everybody will use ransack. When you last time saw ransack from player? It is again about extra GCD/ability slot.MurderMostFoul wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
And can have 100% uptime vs multiple targets.
And 2-4 bonuses are very strong.
Yes, but if you want to activate by dizzy you need to use Stuhn's on front, that means no NMA front. If you want to dizzy and then swap back, activate stuhn's, swap back... to much time spent swapping back and forth.
And if on back with some class ability, then it consumes too much time too. On another side, if it will be activating when you put somebody off-balance it will have bad uptime against single target...
You can always double bar it to keep NMA front barred only. Or just double bar NMA. It is definitely better in fights verse more than one opponent. But that is most PVP in this game anyways.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
Not everybody has access to good sources of major fracture. Actually only 2 classes have. Nightblades have too, but in practice they don't use it that often, because well during burst you have no free GCD to apply it, and if you apply it before the burst, target will be already alerted. So it is what OP says - requirement of extra action to activate is very noticeable (if set used on back bar).
We may look even further - majority of builds have s&b backbar, and if 5k pen was so great power, everybody will use ransack. When you last time saw ransack from player? It is again about extra GCD/ability slot.MurderMostFoul wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
And can have 100% uptime vs multiple targets.
And 2-4 bonuses are very strong.
Yes, but if you want to activate by dizzy you need to use Stuhn's on front, that means no NMA front. If you want to dizzy and then swap back, activate stuhn's, swap back... to much time spent swapping back and forth.
And if on back with some class ability, then it consumes too much time too. On another side, if it will be activating when you put somebody off-balance it will have bad uptime against single target...
Set cp to off balance when dodge roll attack... dodge roll on back bar which a lot of pvp players do as they have NMA in front bar so avoid rolling there, proc stuhns, switch to front bar, profit... is how I imagine it being used efficiently.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
Not everybody has access to good sources of major fracture. Actually only 2 classes have. Nightblades have too, but in practice they don't use it that often, because well during burst you have no free GCD to apply it, and if you apply it before the burst, target will be already alerted. So it is what OP says - requirement of extra action to activate is very noticeable (if set used on back bar).
We may look even further - majority of builds have s&b backbar, and if 5k pen was so great power, everybody will use ransack. When you last time saw ransack from player? It is again about extra GCD/ability slot.MurderMostFoul wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
It stacks with major fracture though so that’s why it is valuable I believe
And can have 100% uptime vs multiple targets.
And 2-4 bonuses are very strong.
Yes, but if you want to activate by dizzy you need to use Stuhn's on front, that means no NMA front. If you want to dizzy and then swap back, activate stuhn's, swap back... to much time spent swapping back and forth.
And if on back with some class ability, then it consumes too much time too. On another side, if it will be activating when you put somebody off-balance it will have bad uptime against single target...
You can always double bar it to keep NMA front barred only. Or just double bar NMA. It is definitely better in fights verse more than one opponent. But that is most PVP in this game anyways.
If you double bar it, you could just use NMG before (if you are not stamDK or stamden). For stamplar, stamsorc, stamblade something always crits, especially if there are many opponents around. But nobody used NMG even before NMA, everybody preferred spriggan front...
I'm not telling that everybody should start using NMG, I simply agree with OP that it will be better if Stuhn's was activated by initial ability too (if it has damage).
MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
Unified_Gaming wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Tbh, set seems a bit over-rated. Just crafted it yesterday, even made gold rings, being sure it will be that awesome... but technically it is just major fracture/breach with ~60-70% uptime and as OP said shines only on back bar, but requires additional GCD or half-GCD to proc.
And using it on both bars... maybe on some build which has some off-resource additional damage... but on class without major fracture you can just use NMG (major fracture on crit), but who uses NMG in 2020? In the meantime Stuhn's does absolutely the same but with lower uptime. 2-4 set bonuses of Stuhn's are better, but that's all.
Well, you can probably go with Stuhn's main bar and 7th/clever alchemist/master's bow back, then it will be better, but there are other amazing sets for main bar - NMA and Deadly..
A dot can proc it back so venom arrow is very good 🏹