Fur_like_snow wrote: »

When it comes to vigor we have a clear choice for self healing and an objectively worse choice for self healing. without an easy way to swap between these morphs I’d just choose not to heal my group. I’d be at such a disadvantage against a stam player who took the better self heal morph it’s not even funny.

I like the clear choice between Self Heal and Group Heal for the morphs, but it's painfully obvious why Echoing Vigor feels so inferior. Not sure how I would change it because any group heal when stacked in pvp becomes crazy strong. I'd say Echoing is pretty low on the list of issues considering the below points.

Echoing Vigor only meets close to the same healing per second as Resolving Vigor with at least 3 people stacking it. This is exactly why Echoing Vigor is pretty pointless to use in Battlegrounds, unless we were still in the premade days or you had enough self healing to justify the hit to help others, there isn't any point in using the morph there. With pvp healing nerfed to 40%, it's extremely hard to justify helping 3 other people who usually won't help you.

Average Heal Per Second of the morphs:
The bigger benefit for me a few patches ago, was saving on sustain as well as GCD's if you don't like pressing a hot every 4s. Also managed 100-200k group healing in BG DM which was nice. Typically only Magicka classes provide nice off-healing like Mag Sorcs with Matriarch which can carry a group.

Speaking about the morph benefits specifically though, it doesn't really add anything super unique when you consider 10s duration dots became standard in U24. If Echoing Vigor followed the same rules as dots that patch, I imagine it would of been treated like Endless Hail, Blockade, Liquid Lightning or Vampires Bane where they get +4s for it being a duration focussed morph to a total of 14s.

Speaking of the weak hps, Radiating Regen is 50% of Rapid for 10s which feels pretty balanced, while Echoing is 27% of Resolving or 58% of Radiating. Maybe they did it that way due to a larger target count, but it also has less range and more cost. Not sure what I'd change though, maybe just a longer duration to the 14s would be enough so the heal value is increased, but the hps is still weak requiring many people to stack to get real benefit.

To be clear, I'd like Radiating to guarantee ticking on yourself with the standard changes I mentioned in the OP in case someone is reading this comment alone. 3 is such an odd number, especially when ZOS has most content in the game designed for 4 players. Bad design to force your healers to double cast skills just to get it on themselves.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

I’d suggest taking a second look at class healing options. Check out green dragon blood it gives a laughable amount of stam return and a pathetic heal that doesn’t scale off highest max stat. What’s even the point? Warden can have a stam based class heal but the other classes don’t. Why?

I think this is intentional, I'll get into it in a comment below, the idea I gather from ZOS is that they created a dynamic where Magicka builds get most of their heals/defense within class, while Stamina gets around 50/75% in class and the remaining 50/25% from weapon/world/guild skill lines, which may explain why they refuse to offer Magicka builds a Magicka like Vigor, having Rapid Regen fill that role, but be attached to a weapon may be intentional.

Necro/Warden, being the newest classes have more stamina morphs than other classes to the point where ZOS seems to have gone farther away from the assumed balance between Magicka/Stamina I just mentioned, it kinda explains why they're top dog in pvp too.

And yeah, if your stam, a mag heal is going to be weak AF, but even Magicka players complain about Green Dragon Blood.

In PvP vigor is 100 times better then rapid regen simply because it doesn't require you to run a certain weapon to use it. Vigor while blocking with 1h and shield is pretty broken, especially when you consider most stam builds are rockin 6k+ weapon damage and at least 30k max stamina.