A 125% damage crit doesn't feel like a crit.

The changes you mention would make Shadow Stone, Elfborn, and Minor/Major force MORE necessary. When you deal 150% critical damage, +10% increases your critical damage by 10/150. When you deal 125% critical damage, +10% increases your damage by 10/125. This would make critical chance way less important, and buffing Critical Damage sources would make them way better than the other options. It would mean everyone had to take those sources because you'd be massively increasing their benefit.

Maf:
Current critical damage = 150%
Elfborn + Shadow Stone = 38%
Critical damage increase from Elfborn + Shadow Stone = +25.3%

Proposed critical damage = 125%
Elfborn + Shadow = 60%
Critical damage increase from Elfborn + Shadow Stone = +48%

Even if crits were just nerfed across the board, we'd still need more PvE sets that were competitive to help with build diversity. Magicka classes don't (mostly) all use Mother's Sorrow because crits are so amazing right now, but because there just aren't other, better options. Mother's Sorrow is actually undertuned because it's a constant bonus set—conditional bonus sets tend to give larger bonuses when they proc. Elf Bane at least made a dent for 1/6 classes >_>

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

A 125% damage crit doesn't feel like a crit.

The changes you mention would make Shadow Stone, Elfborn, and Minor/Major force MORE necessary. When you deal 150% critical damage, +10% increases your critical damage by 10/150. When you deal 125% critical damage, +10% increases your damage by 10/125. This would make critical chance way less important, and buffing Critical Damage sources would make them way better than the other options. It would mean everyone had to take those sources because you'd be massively increasing their benefit.

Maf:
Current critical damage = 150%
Elfborn + Shadow Stone = 38%
Critical damage increase from Elfborn + Shadow Stone = +25.3%

Proposed critical damage = 125%
Elfborn + Shadow = 60%
Critical damage increase from Elfborn + Shadow Stone = +48%

Even if crits were just nerfed across the board, we'd still need more PvE sets that were competitive to help with build diversity. Magicka classes don't (mostly) all use Mother's Sorrow because crits are so amazing right now, but because there just aren't other, better options. Mother's Sorrow is actually undertuned because it's a constant bonus set—conditional bonus sets tend to give larger bonuses when they proc. Elf Bane at least made a dent for 1/6 classes >_>

I thought the same. If you take the power from players and lock them behind items/ cp/ mundus then those will become mandatory.

Plus I always thought that eso had comparably tame crit dmg with only 150%, but made up for that with extraordinary high crit chance. In most other games I played crit chance was very low but you did a *** of dmg with it.

I don't think crit damage is overpowered I think it's the other way around as someone said earlier in the thread.

Most of the stronger more viable sets in PVE content have crit chance tied into them so it's just convenient to take that path; Malacath's Band of Brutality was a good step forward in opening up alternative non-crit reliant builds but I also think they need to open up more armor sets that allow for that item to be used more efficiently. It affects proc chance sets but to fully utilize the advantages of Malacaths you have to avoid any set that grants crit rating or it's a dead stat on your gear. This is pretty problematic as most pieces in the game have that stat due to the crit centered nature that combat has taken since One Tamriel. In addition to this a lot of the skill trees have crit centralized passives that give zero bonuses if Malacath is on.

It's my hopes that we start seeing a decrease in sets that come with crit chance on it but we will see where it goes. An alternative would be to make Malacath grant an extra X AD/SD for every 1% of crit chance left on your character afterwards. Nothing serious I think a conversion of 15 per 1% would make it more balanced. (That'd be 8.6% crit chance to equal the current streamlined 129 WD/SD on sets.) You could lower that number pretty easy if it became problematic but overall Malacath's as it sits is more limited by the critical bonuses on so many sets rather than it's own fault.

I am a big believer in having hard caps on values. IMO critical damage modifiers should not even exist in a MMO game. Critical damage should be 50% more than normal damage value period with no way to buff it. As for critical chance, that also should have a cap, say around 70% even with buffs. As for damage buff modifiers, those also should have a hard cap and IMO lower than they are now.

This game is to easy with right groups. IMO any time in Vet content if a mechanic can be by passed simply by doing more damage, damage should be lowered so that mechanics cannot be by passed.

That’s eso bro, this game ain’t new!

Joinovikova wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Is this a sighting of the rare PVE nerf thread?

Came for the joke, stayed for the math and interesting theorycrafting!

no this is PVP nerf thread someone have farmed Malacath's Band of Brutality and now try to destroy anyother option just have Malacath's Band of Brutality or do not play this game... he/she just try to hide it in PVE...

Errr.... no.

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

The Shadow:
Increases Critical Damage by 13%.
Increases the duration of Alchemical Poisons by 2 seconds. (This is not increased by Divines Trait.)

Isn't alchemical poisons already a standard thing for stam builds? Most of them typically use double damage poison frontbar with weapon power backbar? A buff like this would make the Shadow mundus even more vital to stambuilds.

Like I said originally I think the reason Malacath's band simply lacks the supporting sets to make it worthwhile. If we look at all the sets available in the game that are stamina oriented (containing either Weapon Damage/Stamina Recovery/Maximum Stamina/Weapon Critical/Minor Slayer/Major Slayer/Physical Penetration on all the 2/3/4 set bonuses since hybrids will always fall behind and you don't want more HP to do damage and comes in Medium peices.) we can see that there are 82 sets in the game that match that possible description. I'll include those in a spoiler at the bottom of this post so people can correct me if I missed one or got any wrong.
Of those 82 sets 50 of them have Crit somewhere in their stats or a requirement to their set bonus and are therefore wasting a bonus with Malacath's band.
Of the remaining 32 sets you would have to look for the ones that have powerful set procs to maximize your damage off them, which takes another theoretical 16 sets out of the running. I'm not saying that you couldn't potentially make a good set combo with Malacath's and pull decent DPS as I've already found my stamsorc does just fine running Malacath's, Aegis Caller, Morkuldin, and a WD monster set piece. But it is disappointing how little support options were received for such a fun little mythic and I hope they toy with the idea of adding in something to offset that by giving some bonus to it for having crit chance left on your character as so many natural passives tend to give it.

So we are left with 16 sets of mixed conditional procs that are either very very bad or pretty good. Here's that list.

And here is all the sets compiled together separated by category.

Probably. The entire game revolves around it (with respect to damage). The meta is generally to maximise crit chance and crit damage. There are alternatives that build directly into weapon/spell damage of course, but I think its fair to say most go down the crit route.