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ESO Game Designers PLS READ! (Veteran Dungeons way too hard!)
GreatPlayer
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After attempting fungal grotto 10 times and getting whipped at the second boss 10 times, cant advance, I have to say the veteran dungeons are just too hard! By the way 4 of those times I am teamed up with veteran lvl 10 players. I am currently veteran lvl 8 and in no way do i consider myself a hardcore player. I ask you game designers, when you made veteran dungeons did you have us casual gamers in mind? I hope you know that most of your profit will come from us casual gamers and not the very few hardcore or elite players? PLS have another difficulty for us casual player! THANK YOU! And pls make the reward better, I dont mind doing the same dungeon 3 times just to get the same reward as the elite players, but you need to have 2 set of difficulty!
Edited by GreatPlayer on April 20, 2014 10:08AM 8
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WylieCoyote1511✭✭✭Please don't make this game like Wow. Wow used to be great back in the day when it was hard until the kiddies complained it was too hard and got what they wanted.6
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✭Yeah 2 weeks in, and people already asking for the nerfs. Its veteran content. Its meant to be challenging, for some people it might be impossible, especially after just 10 tries. This content isn't there to just breeze through like levels 1-50.2 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »Please don't make this game like Wow. Wow used to be great back in the day when it was hard until the kiddies complained it was too hard and got what they wanted.
I played wow in the vanilla day, and it was not hard, everything just took a long time. And the loot are random you never know if you get anything.
What made WOW vanilla great is every dungeon, every raid boss, is about items! and if you want the BEST ITEM! You dungeon! or raid it was a hell lot of fun! I just dont get the same feeling playing this game ESO. I am sick and tired of leveling its stupid!Edited by GreatPlayer on April 20, 2014 10:14AM1 -
Mauzi✭✭To my knowledge this kind of problem never occured during beta, making this sound to me that the problem is behind the keyboard and not in the game:
Please keep in mind that "I am veteran level 10" means *** - especially since in my view hardly anyone can legally have earned VR10 this few weeks after release (aka without cheat-reskilling some bosses without having to go through the dungeon, etc.), meaning that the people who have it most likely might have an advanced character but no clue how to play it.
Not wanting to sound offensive, but all this reminds me on old times where in other games players complained about dungeons being too hard after buying an account, aka having a high-level char without growing into it during levelling and thus also without learning how to use it properly.
In fact, I am glad that ESO made a great step towards the requirement of player skill and not just character skill - it is what almost all the other MMOs out there are utterly lacking due to them following the mainstream players demanding easymode even in the highest level areas.
Thus I actually wish to see more posts like this, they're confirming that ESO is on the right track !
Edited by Mauzi on April 20, 2014 10:22AM3 -
snigernissen✭✭To you Greatplayer...
Its supposed to be that hard, this is not another wow clone and some things in this game requires a great deal of effort to complette, so just because you think something is to hard for you and the people you crew up with, does not mean that the rest of us, casual players, thinks it should get nerfed.
btw, how can you be a casual player and be into vet content allready ? i would hardly call that casual tbhEdited by ZOS_MichelleA on April 20, 2014 10:29AM6 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »Please don't make this game like Wow. Wow used to be great back in the day when it was hard until the kiddies complained it was too hard and got what they wanted.
I played wow in the vanilla day, and it was not hard, everything just took a long time. And the loot are random you never know if you get anything.
What made WOW vanilla great is every dungeon, every raid boss, you will get a nice rare drop!To my knowledge this kind of problem never occured during beta, making this sound to me that the problem is behind the keyboard and not in the game:
Please keep in mind that "I am veteran level 10" means *** - especially since in my view hardly anyone can legally have earned VR10 this few weeks after release (aka without cheat-reskilling some bosses without having to go through the dungeon, etc.), meaning that the people who have it most likely might have an advanced character but no clue how to play it.
Not wanting to sound offensive, but all this reminds me on old times where in other games players complained about dungeons being too hard after buying an account, aka having a high-level char without growing into it during levelling and thus also without learning how to use it properly.
In fact, I am glad that ESO made a great step towards the requirement of player skill and not just character skill - it is what almost all the other MMOs out there are utterly lacking due to them following the mainstream players demanding easymode even in the highest level areas.
Thus I actually wish to see more posts like this, they're confirming that ESO is on the right track !
Good luck then, Because all your hard effort will be wasted after all the casuel players leave this game. Then the game will become free to play and the game world populated by NPC or yeh and a few other die-hard players like yourself! I HOPE YOU ENJOY the game while it last!2 -
Mauzi✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »GreatPlayer wrote: »WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »Please don't make this game like Wow. Wow used to be great back in the day when it was hard until the kiddies complained it was too hard and got what they wanted.
I played wow in the vanilla day, and it was not hard, everything just took a long time. And the loot are random you never know if you get anything.
What made WOW vanilla great is every dungeon, every raid boss, you will get a nice rare drop!To my knowledge this kind of problem never occured during beta, making this sound to me that the problem is behind the keyboard and not in the game:
Please keep in mind that "I am veteran level 10" means *** - especially since in my view hardly anyone can legally have earned VR10 this few weeks after release (aka without cheat-reskilling some bosses without having to go through the dungeon, etc.), meaning that the people who have it most likely might have an advanced character but no clue how to play it.
Not wanting to sound offensive, but all this reminds me on old times where in other games players complained about dungeons being too hard after buying an account, aka having a high-level char without growing into it during levelling and thus also without learning how to use it properly.
In fact, I am glad that ESO made a great step towards the requirement of player skill and not just character skill - it is what almost all the other MMOs out there are utterly lacking due to them following the mainstream players demanding easymode even in the highest level areas.
Thus I actually wish to see more posts like this, they're confirming that ESO is on the right track !
Good luck then, Because all your hard effort will be wasted after all the casuel players leave this game. Then the game will become free to play and the game world populated by NPC or yeh and a few other die-hard players like yourself! I HOPE YOU ENJOY the game while it last!
No worries, I'm not a die-hard player myself at all. But I at least can accept that the high-end content is ment for those who achieved everything in the game and still need a challenge, instead of demanding everything being tone-down to whatever definition of "casual gamer" you apply.
I suggest you do the same: Either grow into the tasks you want to achieve or accept that not all the game content is for everyone - which is why there's plenty of content choices in an Elder Scrolls game anyways.2 -
Calkrow✭✭I don't think anyone who has reached the veteran ranks can call themselves a casual player. The casual players are still leveling to 50.2
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sinz_xb16_ESO✭✭✭There is nothing wrong with Veteran Fungal Grotto. The second boss is indeed very difficult for a pickup group, but if all players have enough patience and keep practicing on the boss, then you will get him down eventually. Just make sure you group with people who don't ragequit after 3 wipes.
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✭sinz_xb16_ESO wrote: »There is nothing wrong with Veteran Fungal Grotto. The second boss is indeed very difficult for a pickup group, but if all players have enough patience and keep practicing on the boss, then you will get him down eventually. Just make sure you group with people who don't ragequit after 3 wipes.
No he wants to breeze through it on the first go, max second. Apparently this is what all casual players want. Greatplayer my ***2 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭Spectral_Lord wrote: »
ESO should not build on the WoW formula at all.GreatPlayer wrote: »snigernissen wrote: »Chomag
if you want WoW then go play WoW, but whatever you do, dont even try to fathom what this game is about cause clearly you missed the point.
So back to troll land with you along with the rest of your WoW fanboys...
I want this game to succeed and not fail! Every great game are made for two sets of people, the casual gamers and the hardcore! And thats what WOW did right! and its a winning formula!
Then ESO is going F2P LOL!3 -
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✭Spectral_Lord wrote: »
Lamest reason I've ever seen on the Forum. Good job, bud. Where's the ignore button when you need one.GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
ESO should not build on the WoW formula at all.GreatPlayer wrote: »snigernissen wrote: »Chomag
if you want WoW then go play WoW, but whatever you do, dont even try to fathom what this game is about cause clearly you missed the point.
So back to troll land with you along with the rest of your WoW fanboys...
I want this game to succeed and not fail! Every great game are made for two sets of people, the casual gamers and the hardcore! And thats what WOW did right! and its a winning formula!
Then ESO is going F2P LOL!
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GreatPlayer✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »sinz_xb16_ESO wrote: »There is nothing wrong with Veteran Fungal Grotto. The second boss is indeed very difficult for a pickup group, but if all players have enough patience and keep practicing on the boss, then you will get him down eventually. Just make sure you group with people who don't ragequit after 3 wipes.
No he wants to breeze through it on the first go, max second. Apparently this is what all casual players want. Greatplayer my ***
You make it sound like a bad thing, I really dont see why not, for example in the harder veteran dungeon you get better loot, and if the casual player want the same reward they just have to beat the easier version more times!0 -
Kronz✭✭✭snigernissen wrote: »To you Greatplayer...
Its supposed to be that hard, this is not another wow clone and some things in this game requires a great deal of effort to complette, so just because you think something is to hard for you and the people you crew up with, does not mean that the rest of us, casual players, thinks it should get nerfed.
btw, how can you be a casual player and be into vet content allready ? i would hardly call that casual tbh
Great to see someone from the staff say this.
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GreatPlayer✭✭✭Spectral_Lord wrote: »
Lamest reason I've ever seen on the Forum. Good job, bud. Where's the ignore button when you need one.GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
ESO should not build on the WoW formula at all.GreatPlayer wrote: »snigernissen wrote: »Chomag
if you want WoW then go play WoW, but whatever you do, dont even try to fathom what this game is about cause clearly you missed the point.
So back to troll land with you along with the rest of your WoW fanboys...
I want this game to succeed and not fail! Every great game are made for two sets of people, the casual gamers and the hardcore! And thats what WOW did right! and its a winning formula!
Then ESO is going F2P LOL!
If you think my reason is lame, then lets bet on how long it takes before this game goes free to play at its current state, i give it at MOST 3 month!
Edited by GreatPlayer on April 20, 2014 10:36AM2 -
djodars✭✭✭Yeah huh... please no?
Keep them hard and don't appeal to these players. Nobody wants easy content, it's boring as ***.0 -
GreatPlayer wrote: »After attempting fungal grotto 10 times and getting whipped at the second boss 10 times, cant advance, I have to say the veteran dungeons are just too hard! By the way 4 of those times I am teamed up with veteran lvl 10 players. I am currently veteran lvl 8 and in no way do i consider myself a hardcore player. I ask you game designers, when you made veteran dungeons did you have us casual gamers in mind? I hope you know that most of your profit will come from us casual gamers and not the very few hardcore or elite players? PLS have another difficulty for us casual player! THANK YOU! And pls make the reward better, I dont mind doing the same dungeon 3 times just to get the same reward as the elite players, but you need to have 2 set of difficulty!
Physically impossible for you to be a "casual gamer" and VR8 already.
that and the content isn't "too hard" its just challenging enough, and I hope the Craglorn and future content will be equally as challenging, and just as rewarding in feeling when you do finally land that killing blow
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Mauzi✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
ESO should not build on the WoW formula at all.GreatPlayer wrote: »snigernissen wrote: »Chomag
if you want WoW then go play WoW, but whatever you do, dont even try to fathom what this game is about cause clearly you missed the point.
So back to troll land with you along with the rest of your WoW fanboys...
I want this game to succeed and not fail! Every great game are made for two sets of people, the casual gamers and the hardcore! And thats what WOW did right! and its a winning formula!
Then ESO is going F2P LOL!
This turns yourself from being a "casual player" into a "casual soothsayer". Thanks for making my day, had a good laugh.
Yet, you still havn't explained how you being a casual gamer have achieved veteran status already, which - as someone correctly pointed out - obviously doesn't match being a casual gamer...
Oh well, enough of this funny yet pointless discussion. I suggest you learn to play like a veteran to actually be able to play veteran content or move on to your mentioned oh-so-great preferred games. Anything else will not make anyone happy.0 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭snigernissen wrote: »To you Greatplayer...
Its supposed to be that hard, this is not another wow clone and some things in this game requires a great deal of effort to complette, so just because you think something is to hard for you and the people you crew up with, does not mean that the rest of us, casual players, thinks it should get nerfed.
btw, how can you be a casual player and be into vet content allready ? i would hardly call that casual tbh
Hello ESO staff, I just happen to play a lot of hours!
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GreatPlayer✭✭✭Spectral_Lord wrote: »
I'll take that bet. The moment it goes F2P, they set the nails in the coffin for ESO.GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
Lamest reason I've ever seen on the Forum. Good job, bud. Where's the ignore button when you need one.GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
ESO should not build on the WoW formula at all.GreatPlayer wrote: »snigernissen wrote: »Chomag
if you want WoW then go play WoW, but whatever you do, dont even try to fathom what this game is about cause clearly you missed the point.
So back to troll land with you along with the rest of your WoW fanboys...
I want this game to succeed and not fail! Every great game are made for two sets of people, the casual gamers and the hardcore! And thats what WOW did right! and its a winning formula!
Then ESO is going F2P LOL!
If you think my reason is lame, then lets bet on how long it takes before this game goes free to play at its current state, i give it at MOST 3 month!
Thats terrible thing to say, I want this game to succeed!Edited by GreatPlayer on April 20, 2014 10:46AM0 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭Spectral_Lord wrote: »
What you want is the exact opposite.GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
I'll take that bet. The moment it goes F2P, they set the nails in the coffin for ESO.GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
Lamest reason I've ever seen on the Forum. Good job, bud. Where's the ignore button when you need one.GreatPlayer wrote: »Spectral_Lord wrote: »
ESO should not build on the WoW formula at all.GreatPlayer wrote: »snigernissen wrote: »Chomag
if you want WoW then go play WoW, but whatever you do, dont even try to fathom what this game is about cause clearly you missed the point.
So back to troll land with you along with the rest of your WoW fanboys...
I want this game to succeed and not fail! Every great game are made for two sets of people, the casual gamers and the hardcore! And thats what WOW did right! and its a winning formula!
Then ESO is going F2P LOL!
If you think my reason is lame, then lets bet on how long it takes before this game goes free to play at its current state, i give it at MOST 3 month!
Thats terrible thing to say, I still want this game to succeed!
No, what i say is the unpleasant truth! for the hardcore crowd!Edited by GreatPlayer on April 20, 2014 10:48AM0 -
Hodorius✭✭✭Vet content is to hard for a random grp to rush through.
This is exactly how it should be!
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Noswell✭✭✭GreatPlayer wrote: »I really dont see why not, for example in the harder veteran dungeon you get better loot, and if the casual player want the same reward they just have to beat the easier version more times!
I don't think this makes any sense at all. If the casual player wants the same reward, all they have to do is focus on improving their game. Otherwise there's not much point to doing a harder version is there.
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