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Humble Plea: Let horses eat AP instead of Gold
RamiroCruzo
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As a QoL improvement, this feature should be introduced as it doesn't make any sense that we are not able to feed horses in Cyrodiil with AP.
RotW Gold is used to buy potions and gear, even if it costs 1000 per meal for horses, it'll be way better.
RotW Gold is used to buy potions and gear, even if it costs 1000 per meal for horses, it'll be way better.
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I rather like it myself. I'd plant newbies by the stable there if I could use the AP I get from dailies etc.0 -
Sturmfaenger✭✭✭✭✭
✭You don't understand - ZOS needs you to buy riding lessons in crown shop xDPC/EU2 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sturmfaenger wrote: »You don't understand - ZOS needs you to buy riding lessons in crown shop xD
Ain't hap'nin here.0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Since there are stables in each of the faction "gate" areas, it wouldn't exactly be locked behind pvp. In fact, my 4 characters who were in Cyrodiil to get the fishing done there used the stables there for the days they were fishing instead of wayshrining back to Vivec.0 -
ImmortalCX✭✭✭✭✭Can someone explain this to a PVE player?
I thought all the riding lessons were 250g. Which is not much.1 -
Feric51✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can lead a horse to AP....Feric51
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cyclonus11 wrote: »yeah let's lock a global necessity behind PVP
Plenty of items can be bought with either AP or Gold. I am guessing OP is not suggesting that you remove the ability to pay with gold, simply that you add the ability to pay with AP.
Honestly, no reason I can think of to disagree with this. We need more things to spend AP on (and I have way more gold than AP). Potions helped.5 -
Feric51✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Honestly, no reason I can think of to disagree with this. We need more things to spend AP on (and I have way more gold than AP). Potions helped.
As someone who doesn't PvP, are you able to buy the alchemy satchel things with AP or is that just Tel Var stones? If not, I think that would be an easy, but distinctly appropriate addition for the AP market as it seems like PvP players are some of the most prevalent users of crafted potions.
Even as someone who has made decent gold selling pots and raw alchemy mats in guild traders I would fully support this move as I think there aren't enough AP-spending opportunities for PvP out there.
I remember everyone thinking the reagent market would crash when they introduced the Tel Var bags, but back then Columbine was the hot commodity and iirc went for about 400-500g/ea. Right now I regularly see Corn Flower listed for 750g+/ea (on XB-NA). Yeah, I think you'll see an immediate crash in prices if it were implemented simply from the amount of players with huge quantities of AP stockpiled, but give it a few months and the market would most likely stabilize again.Feric51
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Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭AP as a currency could work. After all, the real value of the riding lessons in the cash shop is the savings in time.0 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As someone who doesn't PvP, are you able to buy the alchemy satchel things with AP or is that just Tel Var stones? If not, I think that would be an easy, but distinctly appropriate addition for the AP market as it seems like PvP players are some of the most prevalent users of crafted potions.
The alchemy bags are Tel Var only, but the Cyrodiil daily that rewards the Gladiator proofs also rewards a random crafting satchel ... which can occasionally be an alchemy reward similar to what's in IC.
Yes, I'm one of those users of crafted potions (AND poisons) in PvP.0 -
Major_Lag✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think it's a good idea to feed the horses AP. Nor gold, for that matter. It could make them sick
/s
But seriously now... mount training is so cheap - 250 gold is nothing, unless you are a super "casual" player who only logs in for an hour or two per week... in which case they are unlikely to be PvPing anyway.2 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Honestly, no reason I can think of to disagree with this. We need more things to spend AP on (and I have way more gold than AP). Potions helped.
As someone who doesn't PvP, are you able to buy the alchemy satchel things with AP or is that just Tel Var stones? If not, I think that would be an easy, but distinctly appropriate addition for the AP market as it seems like PvP players are some of the most prevalent users of crafted potions.
Even as someone who has made decent gold selling pots and raw alchemy mats in guild traders I would fully support this move as I think there aren't enough AP-spending opportunities for PvP out there.
I remember everyone thinking the reagent market would crash when they introduced the Tel Var bags, but back then Columbine was the hot commodity and iirc went for about 400-500g/ea. Right now I regularly see Corn Flower listed for 750g+/ea (on XB-NA). Yeah, I think you'll see an immediate crash in prices if it were implemented simply from the amount of players with huge quantities of AP stockpiled, but give it a few months and the market would most likely stabilize again.
@Feric51
You can now buy Weapon and Spell power pots (and I think some type of Imov Pot) with AP directly from the siege merchant now (Greymoor). It's not a bad AP sink. I bought a few million AP worth, nothing else to really spend it on. Guessing that will push prices down on flowers, which have definitely gotten out of control lately.
As to PVP vs PVE and potion use... Here is the reality. If you play this game at a competitive level, you drink a potion every 45 seconds that you are in combat, whether in PVE or PVP. There are more PVEers overall I believe, but a lot of them would be hard to describe as competitive. PVP is always competitive to some degree.
If anything, you are more attune to that cooldown in PVE because it is just one more buff you are managing as part of your rotation. In PVP, if you arent relying on a potion for a damage buff, you might sit on a potion a bit longer than you would in PVE to use in an "Oh Crap" moment.
The opposite of that is of course, that in PVE (as a DPS), there are really only two types of potions you need, and the buffs in question can usually be had from other sources if you want, or in easier content, you can ignore if you want. In PVP, you are always potentially fighting someone that is as good as or better than you are, so it's hard to skimp on potions in PVP combat.
That was certainly a bit circular. haha0 -
ImmortalCX✭✭✭✭✭I don't think it's a good idea to feed the horses AP. Nor gold, for that matter. It could make them sick /s
But seriously now... mount training is so cheap - 250 gold is nothing, unless you are a super "casual" player who only logs in for an hour or two per week... in which case they are unlikely to be PvPing anyway.
I think what they really want the ability to do, is use AP to power level the riding. Its not so much about saving gold, but about avoiding the grind.0 -
RamiroCruzo✭✭✭I don't think it's a good idea to feed the horses AP. Nor gold, for that matter. It could make them sick /s
But seriously now... mount training is so cheap - 250 gold is nothing, unless you are a super "casual" player who only logs in for an hour or two per week... in which case they are unlikely to be PvPing anyway.
Try this, 4 PvP Guild, 7 million AP in hand, last 10k gold went to buy Dragon Rheum, 15 characters. How am I to feed my horses? Meanwhile if I ran a vCR+3, 8 mins, I think it gives 36k gold, here RotW will take ages to reach 36k gold.
The arguement to sell items is only valid when you're active in trading guild which often revolve outside of Cyrodiil and need dumbly annoying fixed sales.Having a light side... And a Dark side... Is what makes life interesting...
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RamiroCruzo wrote: »I don't think it's a good idea to feed the horses AP. Nor gold, for that matter. It could make them sick /s
But seriously now... mount training is so cheap - 250 gold is nothing, unless you are a super "casual" player who only logs in for an hour or two per week... in which case they are unlikely to be PvPing anyway.
Try this, 4 PvP Guild, 7 million AP in hand, last 10k gold went to buy Dragon Rheum, 15 characters. How am I to feed my horses? Meanwhile if I ran a vCR+3, 8 mins, I think it gives 36k gold, here RotW will take ages to reach 36k gold.
The arguement to sell items is only valid when you're active in trading guild which often revolve outside of Cyrodiil and need dumbly annoying fixed sales.
@RamiroCruzo
You can count the number of raid groups on one or two hands that are legit lapping VCR+3 in 8 minutes. Your point loses some of its validity when you use extreme examples on one side of the equation. There are many ways to transfer AP to gold, and the PVP equivalent of someone capable of an 8 minute VCR+3 Clear has 8-9 figures of AP in the bank easily.
End of the day, if you only have 10k gold, that is on you. It is an MMO. You have to devote some percent of your playtime to wealth generation if dont want to be broke all the time. That percent is certainly debatable, because broke is relative, but its not ZERO.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As long as its in addition to instead of in place of, i dont see a problem with it.1 -
Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭ImmortalCX wrote: »Can someone explain this to a PVE player?
I thought all the riding lessons were 250g. Which is not much.
It isn't much but you earn almost nothing in Cyrodii while just pvping. Your equipment doesn't get damaged while in combat with other players but conversely, they don't drop anything either. There are Rewards of the worthy coffers that drop every few thousand AP earned but they usually contain 1 piece of blue armour, which is generally decon trash that doesn't sell. If the item is sellable, you need to be trading to make gold out of it seeing as a vendor will give you peanuts.
I can vendor 100 or more items in overland questing. In the same time period, Rotw will give me one. It would be a nice QoL for people who only do pvp. The OP was not suggesting replacing the 250g fee with AP, but allowing to pay for it with AP, as well.
I pve but agree that AP should be a more useful alternative currency in game. For sure I feel that houses that can be bought for gold, should also be able to be bought for AP too.
Edited by Ryath_Waylander on June 17, 2020 5:16AM3
