gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Mate, we can't even use our skills in PVP. Nerfs etc mean nothing if you can't use your skills. I was in Cyro yesterday and had to press like 5 times my Hardened Ward key to make it work.

Server is broken and pvp unplayable.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Mate, we can't even use our skills in PVP. Nerfs etc mean nothing if you can't use your skills. I was in Cyro yesterday and had to press like 5 times my Hardened Ward key to make it work.

Server is broken and pvp unplayable.

I know mate 😫 I am taking a break from smashing my keyboard to dream 😂

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

Mate, we can't even use our skills in PVP. Nerfs etc mean nothing if you can't use your skills. I was in Cyro yesterday and had to press like 5 times my Hardened Ward key to make it work.

Server is broken and pvp unplayable.

I know mate 😫 I am taking a break from smashing my keyboard to dream 😂

Yeah, but according to ZOS "you know you don't have to be here".

They could easily refund me all the money I ve invested in ESO and I ll leave for good.

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

worst thing about pvp at the moment is the scroll trolls a certain player on AD always taking a knee so blue can take scroll, or blatantly running to a blue keep and dying at the door

Sephyr wrote: »

I haven't been in PvP yet aside from the IC since the patch hit. Is it still unbearable during primetime?

MincVinyl wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Giving us base crit resist making it more accessible for new players and giving veteran players more options for more offensive and active defensive traits is a great change IMO.

For sure a good change, the only issue is zos did not change transmuting in anyway. Kind of a pain for veteran players with multiple characters now suddenly having to transmute 100+ sets of gear. Yes, people can say well...you dont have to....yeah you also dont have to run any gear sets also, but you do it to get better stats.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Mythics are a great addition to the game without being a BIS or taking away from existing options.

Only in nocp is there issues. If you do the calculations out if you do not run malacath on your build you will be down roughly 17%-25% damage compared to someone who is, depending if you crit-noncrit. On classes like stamsorc you actually cant run malacath.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

The healing nerf was a little heavy handed for no cp especially, in most cases with competent players it is more or less a case of who hits first wins. On cp it feels better.
I think maybe -55% received via battle spirit would be more appropriate.

To be honest the healing nerf was unnecessary and didnt accomplish what they were hoping. If anything larger groups will most likely slot more heals to compensate generating more server strain.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

In terms of bigger changes I would like to see in battle spirit something that stops the same effect being applied twice to a player. Positive or negative. I realise what that means for group play, but I believe not being able to receive multiple dots etc... Evens out to a degree the receipt of multiple stacks of regen for example.

In terms of server strain I don't know, but I hope it would be a net gain, in terms of reducing calculations. If the server only has to process one heal or dot etc... against the players healing and mitigation it should be overall less. Though it would have to check if the buff/debuff is already applied and refresh it.

This simple change back to how the game was originally intended to work would most likely drastically cut back on the strain placed by population density in cyrodil. I don't know if you have read some of my posts about this, but I have been pushing for this for a while now. The only downside of this change would be that not everyone gets a participation trophy, meaning the random players that do nothing but spam the same BiS out of class ability of the month are worth near nothing in combat. Likely a change like this would bring dots back to what their original intent was as a utility to counter a player's hps opening burst windows. Instead dots are simply used in large groups to suffocate solo or small groups.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I believe all % based mitigation should receive a flat number equivalent to its current value. For example minor protection would just give you 5280 additional armor. With it all being so readily available the value of penetration to a point becomes useless. For example if you rely on pirate skeleton for defence you are safe from all except those rocking vulnerability or other percentage based defence reduction. This complicates things and surely it is a greater strain on the server to process so many different form of defence Vs the types of damage being received.

% mit would be fine if you drastically give something up for it. For instance the only reason necro is so strong right now is due to its ability to have major/minor prot + 10% mender +3% slot deaden + 5% potentates + 6% Brpdw + buffer/valiant/heartland/etc. These other % mit buffs should be changed to be minor prot, which avoids a drastic power difference when able to stack these uncounterable buffs.

For instance brpdw was too strong... well now it gives a unique damage buff that stacks with minor berserk. Why didn't they just make it minor berserk/protection to avoid players stacking an uncounterable buff in a later patch.

We saw something similar when swift came out and the fluid movement of the game was destroyed with murkmire. Just like how % mit was strong, stacking all the speed buffs was too strong(coming from a 6 year movement based stamsorc) Why is it that major expedition from potions is 1/3 the uptime of major fortitude/savagery from potions. The major/minor system would work better for game balance if these precedents actually were equivalent. Zos had the wrong idea about balancing major expedition based on uptime instead of the actual value it gave. It is still as strong as before, it is just annoying and tedious to the user. Even the opponent can get annoyed when a player goes from near crawl speed to olympic runner speed.

Ideally I am suggesting that major exp should have been changed to 15~20% movement speed but keep the uptime equivalent to the other sources of what should be equivalent major buffs. The same balance could be applied to major protection, which if you look for sources to run it they have seen the same poor balance choice of messing with uptimes. Inevitably there is going to be some patch where those once calculated uptimes for an insanely strong buff can be abused in some way.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

MincVinyl wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Giving us base crit resist making it more accessible for new players and giving veteran players more options for more offensive and active defensive traits is a great change IMO.

For sure a good change, the only issue is zos did not change transmuting in anyway. Kind of a pain for veteran players with multiple characters now suddenly having to transmute 100+ sets of gear. Yes, people can say well...you dont have to....yeah you also dont have to run any gear sets also, but you do it to get better stats.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Mythics are a great addition to the game without being a BIS or taking away from existing options.

Only in nocp is there issues. If you do the calculations out if you do not run malacath on your build you will be down roughly 17%-25% damage compared to someone who is, depending if you crit-noncrit. On classes like stamsorc you actually cant run malacath.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

The healing nerf was a little heavy handed for no cp especially, in most cases with competent players it is more or less a case of who hits first wins. On cp it feels better.
I think maybe -55% received via battle spirit would be more appropriate.

To be honest the healing nerf was unnecessary and didnt accomplish what they were hoping. If anything larger groups will most likely slot more heals to compensate generating more server strain.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

In terms of bigger changes I would like to see in battle spirit something that stops the same effect being applied twice to a player. Positive or negative. I realise what that means for group play, but I believe not being able to receive multiple dots etc... Evens out to a degree the receipt of multiple stacks of regen for example.

In terms of server strain I don't know, but I hope it would be a net gain, in terms of reducing calculations. If the server only has to process one heal or dot etc... against the players healing and mitigation it should be overall less. Though it would have to check if the buff/debuff is already applied and refresh it.

This simple change back to how the game was originally intended to work would most likely drastically cut back on the strain placed by population density in cyrodil. I don't know if you have read some of my posts about this, but I have been pushing for this for a while now. The only downside of this change would be that not everyone gets a participation trophy, meaning the random players that do nothing but spam the same BiS out of class ability of the month are worth near nothing in combat. Likely a change like this would bring dots back to what their original intent was as a utility to counter a player's hps opening burst windows. Instead dots are simply used in large groups to suffocate solo or small groups.

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I believe all % based mitigation should receive a flat number equivalent to its current value. For example minor protection would just give you 5280 additional armor. With it all being so readily available the value of penetration to a point becomes useless. For example if you rely on pirate skeleton for defence you are safe from all except those rocking vulnerability or other percentage based defence reduction. This complicates things and surely it is a greater strain on the server to process so many different form of defence Vs the types of damage being received.

% mit would be fine if you drastically give something up for it. For instance the only reason necro is so strong right now is due to its ability to have major/minor prot + 10% mender +3% slot deaden + 5% potentates + 6% Brpdw + buffer/valiant/heartland/etc. These other % mit buffs should be changed to be minor prot, which avoids a drastic power difference when able to stack these uncounterable buffs.

For instance brpdw was too strong... well now it gives a unique damage buff that stacks with minor berserk. Why didn't they just make it minor berserk/protection to avoid players stacking an uncounterable buff in a later patch.

We saw something similar when swift came out and the fluid movement of the game was destroyed with murkmire. Just like how % mit was strong, stacking all the speed buffs was too strong(coming from a 6 year movement based stamsorc) Why is it that major expedition from potions is 1/3 the uptime of major fortitude/savagery from potions. The major/minor system would work better for game balance if these precedents actually were equivalent. Zos had the wrong idea about balancing major expedition based on uptime instead of the actual value it gave. It is still as strong as before, it is just annoying and tedious to the user. Even the opponent can get annoyed when a player goes from near crawl speed to olympic runner speed.

Ideally I am suggesting that major exp should have been changed to 15~20% movement speed but keep the uptime equivalent to the other sources of what should be equivalent major buffs. The same balance could be applied to major protection, which if you look for sources to run it they have seen the same poor balance choice of messing with uptimes. Inevitably there is going to be some patch where those once calculated uptimes for an insanely strong buff can be abused in some way.

Thanks for the thorough reply, you are in fact the first to reply to my thoughts and it's nice to read we are in agreement. This thread very quickly became a performance thread 😂

In terms of percentage mitigation my thoughts were partly to simplify how we think about mitigation and its reduction. Rather than having a type of resistance that is unaffected by penetration. I think we should have a numerical value total that is effected by vulnerability and penetration. Maybe vulnerability could also have a flat figure, maybe this may simplify calculations and improve performance as a side effect.

I agree with your frustrations on the transmutes, I only have 2 maxed PvP characters I play and I still haven't grinded enough 😂

The percentage mitigation becomes pretty redundant as you stack it too much becomes each source is added multiplicatively
Like this:
Mitigation #1 = 5%
Mitigation #2 = 31%
Combined = (1 - (1 - 5/100) * (1 - 31/100) ) * 100 = 34.4%
I'm sure you know this so sorry if this seems condescending.

Armor equates additively its overall percentage is multiplied with the other sources meaning building your armor value still gives you the quickest and best outcome. Though this is exactly why I would go for a flat figure across all sources and adjust them accordingly. So it was easy to understand how protected you are and how much damage you will do.