bluebird wrote: »

Antiquities in specific zones do not necessarily have Leads from that zone itself.

So just because you see a Furnishing listed in Grahtwood, doesn't mean the Lead is from there too.

Would you be do kind to explaint that a little more? If I need that lead, where should I go?
I spent at least 5 hours in Grathwood, opened hundred of chests, killed hundreds of mobs, dosens of dungeon bosses, not to mention harvesting but I get zero gold lead....
I have zero leads yesterday at all from chests/boss/mobs... I am a little bit desperate now

Oh thank you. That's bad. Very-very bad

Aliyavana wrote: »

I got it from the daily battleground bag

I hate pvp greatly. So never did it...
How do I get such bag?

kind_hero wrote: »

Ratinira wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

I got it from the daily battleground bag

I hate pvp greatly. So never did it...
How do I get such bag?

A BG lasts about 15 minutes with waiting time and all... Hardly something unbearable. Compare this to a DLC vet dungeon where you can wait for a hour, get a decent group, wipe at the 2nd boss, then wait hours trying with replacements until everyone leaves. (unless you are in a pve guild)

The question is not about time at all, I just hate pvp...
But the question was: how to get that reward? What should be done?

Tigerseye wrote: »

Not doing BGs here (I have my reasons for this) and if it turns out the furnishing I, personally, want only drops from BGs, I will have to consider my future in this game.

Not playing a game which forces people into PVP, just to get furnishings for a house.

I generally disagree. While it is odd that they have put furnishings behind PvP walls while they have you farming regular wolves and PvE dungeon bosses for PvP mythics, I really want the statue as an Imperial die-hard so I have been doing the battleground daily everyday. You just have to make the best of what you've been given if you really want something.

It took me 30 mins to simply look up a quick build and throw on some PvP gear, and I've been doing matches that take just 10 minutes or so everyday. It's not a big ask.

Ratinira wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

Ratinira wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

I got it from the daily battleground bag

I hate pvp greatly. So never did it...
How do I get such bag?

A BG lasts about 15 minutes with waiting time and all... Hardly something unbearable. Compare this to a DLC vet dungeon where you can wait for a hour, get a decent group, wipe at the 2nd boss, then wait hours trying with replacements until everyone leaves. (unless you are in a pve guild)

The question is not about time at all, I just hate pvp...
But the question was: how to get that reward? What should be done?

There's a Battlegrounds intro quest given by posted flyers marked "For Glory!" that will have you do your first Battleground match. (You just have to participate to clear the quest.) After that, Battlemaster Rivyn at the Battlegrounds enclaves will have daily quests available.

From UESP wiki:

Let the Games Begin: Participate in five Battlegrounds matches.
Test of Mettle: Earn one thousand Medal Points in a Battleground.
To the Victor: Win three Battlegrounds matches.

Wiki has more info on Battlegrounds in general.

Yes, fully agree, either leads or the items should be tradable. If ZOS wants players to get DLCs or ESO+, then leads.
Right now system is stupid, as I am forced to simply destroy unwanted items (like 6th-house table) and at the same time can't reliably get the needed number of wanted items. But what is the point of destroying the item that someone else will be happy to use and struggle to get it?

StevenIV wrote: »

It took me 30 mins to simply look up a quick build and throw on some PvP gear, and I've been doing matches that take just 10 minutes or so everyday. It's not a big ask.

Luckily I don't want that particular furniture, so I don't even think of going into BG. But if I will be forced into it, I will not use PVP gear, I will not play the objectives, I will not play with team, I will just attack random target with random skill and die, because I will not want to do it, I will want the item. So, trust me, nobody will want me to enter BG and break the game of other players.

KMarble wrote: »

As for destroying the table, o_O. It's one of my favorite furnishings from antiquities, but I guess to each their own, right?

Well, non of my characters are followers of Voryn Dagoth. Having such a table in the character house would be similar to having a daedric altar, completely inappropriate. Even it is beautiful from my perspective as a player, it is useless in any actual design for me.

KMarble wrote: »

No one is forced to do content they don't like. Do the devs make it tempting? Of course, that's their job, to entice players to do everything in game (hence, antiquities).

I can't agree with it. A job of the developer is to make tempting actual content, not make good reward for bad content and hope that most players will do it for rewards. Maybe it is working for some people, but I know from personal experience that it is better to have some players that enjoy one part and other players that enjoy another part and let them enjoying those parts without disturbing them with parts they do not enjoy. It is like I want to eat some ice-cream, but then I am told that I can eat ice-cream only if I eat 1 kg of garlic before that. The only natural reaction to it would be to smash both ice-cream and garlic into the face of the one who is telling this.

KMarble wrote: »

But remember that you can, and will, be able to play the game even if you don't have that shiny everyone is talking about.

Yes, this is correct. But we should remember, that some players are more emotionally attached to games they play. We also should remember, that every negative bit will decrease player happiness, and it is better to keep player happy. For example, I bought Dawnshadow (for gold) instead of Jode's Embrace (for crowns), because dragon statues were locked behind vet trial. Without dragons Jode's Embrace was meaningless. So, yes, we will be able to play the game, but we will play differently.

I wish more players would give PvP a try. I swore I would never do it except for the skyshard achievements and clearing the delves on my main character, and of course I was scared to death because I was doing it solo even on a low pop campaign.

I did Midyear Mayhem on my PvE main character for the achievements later and had a blast! I was hooked!

Now I have a dedicated PvP toon that I play every day in Cyrodiil and love it.

I have yet to convince any other players to do the same, everyone says “it’s not for me.” How do you know until you try?

Olauron wrote: »

I would say that Housing is one of the core aspects of the game, the Homestead was released the same way as Orsinium. In addition to the activity locks like pvp or trial we also have a pay to win aspect with crown-only furnishings, so it is understandable that when in addition to huge monetary investments we are expected to engage in some other modes that we don't like, we are not amused.

That is true. But core or no, housing has a far smaller community than PvP and end-game PvE. The more overlap with those the better, as it'll mean more furnishings . When adding content ZOS will always try to provide for as many people as possible. I don't think we would have got as many furnishings with the antiquities system if they were all just offered directly to the housing community for crowns or jam-packed into the same casual PvE sources.

Refusing housing overlap with PvP will simply mean fewer furnishings for those housing enthusiasts like myself who don't mind a brief foray into PvP. This isn't a 100% like-minded community after all.

Olauron wrote: »

And your source is?

If you go on forums on mobile you can see exactly how much engagement there is with each sub-forum. On EU there is also only one main housing guild compared to dozens of PvP guilds, and one can see which ESO streamers get the most views. I don't think you can seriously suggest that the group of housing enthusiasts who are spending lots of money on furnishings is a large player-base.

Olauron wrote: »

Nothing prevents leads dropping from both BG and delve bosses or even resource nodes. There is nothing that prevents checking either of two achievements for furnishings instead of one. Finally, we already have Golden as an additional source of monster sets, and there is nothing that prevents having some weekly lead merchant who can sell a selection of leads to those who don't want to engage in content they are not interested in.

The same thing is blocking what you suggest as blocking monster helms dropping from resources nodes or monster shoulders dropping from fishing. There's plenty of achievement furnishings with specific requirements - not all are achievable unless you are prepared to do content you aren't totally interested in. The Golden vendor is primarily for selling content that is locked behind Veteran dungeons - only a tiny percentage of furnishings are behind such high-level content and the maybe 30 minutes of PvP needed to get a potential lead certainly does not compare.

StevenIV wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

And your source is?

If you go on forums on mobile you can see exactly how much engagement there is with each sub-forum. On EU there is also only one main housing guild compared to dozens of PvP guilds, and one can see which ESO streamers get the most views. I don't think you can seriously suggest that the group of housing enthusiasts who are spending lots of money on furnishings is a large player-base.

The only thing that it is possible to deduce from such source is that the pvp crowd is the most noisy. On the other hand, ZOS is selling new houses and new furnishings every few months, but stopped selling pvp content years ago (and made both BG and IC free).

StevenIV wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

Nothing prevents leads dropping from both BG and delve bosses or even resource nodes. There is nothing that prevents checking either of two achievements for furnishings instead of one. Finally, we already have Golden as an additional source of monster sets, and there is nothing that prevents having some weekly lead merchant who can sell a selection of leads to those who don't want to engage in content they are not interested in.

The same thing is blocking what you suggest as blocking monster helms dropping from resources nodes or monster shoulders dropping from fishing. There's plenty of achievement furnishings with specific requirements - not all are achievable unless you are prepared to do content you aren't totally interested in. The Golden vendor is primarily for selling content that is locked behind Veteran dungeons - only a tiny percentage of furnishings are behind such high-level content and the maybe 30 minutes of PvP needed to get a potential lead certainly does not compare.

Different furnishings are like different sets. What you are saying is "Why are you upset that you should do master writs to get BIS sets? There are plenty sets in the dungeons. Those sets are worse, but you should deal with it."