SeaGtGruff wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

But the chapter is lacking of what a chapter should have feels like a dlc.

Haven't people been saying this since Summerset?

For all I know, they might have said it when Morrowind came out, but I didn't get ESO until after Morrowind had been out for a little while, so I don't know.

But I do remember that when Summerset came out there were people asking whether the size of the map justified calling it a chapter instead of a DLC.

I don't remember as much of that kind of griping when Elsweyr came out, but it may have been because people were excited about dragons and Necromancers-- although there was griping from some people about those things (it's been done before, or it's pay-to-win), just not so much in terms of whether it was "big enough" to be called a chapter.

So this kind of debate isn't really anything new; it seems to come up again with each new chapter.

I'm not going to try to defend-- or attack-- the whole "chapter" concept, but aside from the fact that the newest chapter can't be purchased with Crowns in the Crown Store like old chapters and regular DLCs, I like the way each new chapter adds a new part to the overall story arc of the game, with the subsequent zone DLC (usually) continuing that story arc. Summerset and Murkmire were pretty much the only exception; even Morrowind and Clockwork City, which were released before the current "year-long story arc" concept was embraced, were somewhat connected to each other, if not to quite the same extent as Elsweyr and Southern Elsweyr, or Greymoor and whatever the upcoming zone DLC will be called.

To me a chapter should have a decent size some with big story. To me all 4 chapters did that. They should also have a skill/class that added to skills I. Game warden, psijic and necro. They could of down one and rune which has been data mined got years so some what is in game maybe no animation or skills but some aspect is. With the new standardization spell crafting could of been implemented which has some of the work already done years ago. Nothing that the chapter itself added aomthing to combat ability wise.
And I feel those standards was set by Zos by the previous 3 chapters
I really hope zos brings more puzzles back like what was in southern Elswer I was a little disappointed that they didn’t make more in greymoore.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

There is a great (maybe the best) game somewhere in the mess, but they keep adding to the pile of stuff that doesnt work.

QFT

alewis478b14_ESO wrote: »

- Solitude has maybe the best crafting area setup for writs
- The bears smiling while scratching their backs on the trees

Those are the highlights....

Definitely agree about the bears. I just stood and watched one for awhile this morning.

Lintashi wrote: »

Chapter is just too raw to be released. Harrowstorms are bugged, loot from them is not worth it, and wayshrines are not conveniently placed, do doing storm daily becomes an annoyance, that can last up to several hours. Delves have bugged enemies, that lack health bars, so players cannot hit them. Quests have difference between what is heard, and what is written in dialogue. No female Scion version, only male, overall vampire rework is lackluster, and all feedback was ignored. Mythic antiquities are bugged, some antiquities are even missing from drop lists. Many containers that should be lootable ( cupboards, desks, trunks) are not lootable, and furnishing plans and new paintings are nonexistent. Like 85k for basket furnishing plan, or 700k for a painting on pc eu after a week.

https://esomodelviewer.com/creatures/post/31-blood-scion-female

From what I can tell, the model is there, it is just bugged.

dbgager wrote: »

What are the issues people do not like. I am probably going to purchase at some point but it seems like it is not being well received.

It's opinions and these are the internets... Take it with a grain of salt. People complain about every expansion, dlc, and patch.

They made werewolf OP while vampire is very meh

Lintashi wrote: »

Chapter is just too raw to be released. Harrowstorms are bugged, loot from them is not worth it, and wayshrines are not conveniently placed, do doing storm daily becomes an annoyance, that can last up to several hours. Delves have bugged enemies, that lack health bars, so players cannot hit them. Quests have difference between what is heard, and what is written in dialogue. No female Scion version, only male, overall vampire rework is lackluster, and all feedback was ignored. Mythic antiquities are bugged, some antiquities are even missing from drop lists. Many containers that should be lootable ( cupboards, desks, trunks) are not lootable, and furnishing plans and new paintings are nonexistent. Like 85k for basket furnishing plan, or 700k for a painting on pc eu after a week.

I hate to tell you but there is a female version.

https://esomodelviewer.com/creatures/post/31-blood-scion-female

Don't know how to post pics on here but here's a link to what it Looks like in game.

I am enjoying the vampire rework just because its different, but it could have - should have - been much better. The reused ultimate, necro steal, is borderline laughable in its blatant laziness says it all about the direction of everything at this point. As a werewolf, I really appreciate the update, but the "execute" is once again synonymous with the laziness of the overall effort. I mean really, you haven't given us a new move in how many years and you basically use the same exact move from claws of life/defile with a crappy sound-effect? Lol...

This will be my last expansion for absolutely sure unless some serious effort is made to fix the game. Before, I could justify paying for the mediocrity that is the state of the game. This time though, you guys didn't just drop the ball - you made sure to put it into a steel safe and sink it into the Marianas Trench.

Noxavian wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

On the plus side, @dbgager, the world building was excellent this time around ... Blackreach is visually stunning once you step into it.

A lot of last week's issues have already been fixed. Still some pending fixes for things such as the higher level Antiquity digs.

This thread is asking about what people don't like about it specifically.

This is true.

However, I'm willing to bet actual money that if this thread were asking about what people do specifically like about it, there would also be posts from people saying what they don't like about it, and finding fault with the specific things that people say they like. You can see this time and again in other threads that try to focus on the positives.

I personally haven't played enough of the new content to have any specific gripes, but the two things that I did run into don't seem to be specific to Greymoor:

I haven't seen it in the live release yet, but while playing Greymoor on the PTS I ran into a quest where one of the characters was speaking to me without moving his lips-- tilting his head, gesturing, etc., but not moving his lips-- so I reported it as a bug. Several days later I went back to him-- or actually I had just logged out at that point because I had been ready to call it a night before starting that quest, but then I didn't go back onto the PTS for several days-- and lip-sync problem was gone.

Well, the other night I was in Stonefalls on my newest PC EU character, and after closing some scamp caves I went to talk to the soldier or officer who had been blocked from returning to her regiment by the scamps, and guess what? She was talking to me without moving her lips, just like what had happened in Greymoor. And two days later I happened to run into her again at that same spot while I was doing a different quest, and guess what? When I interacted with her, her lips moved like they were supposed to! So apparently any lip-sync issues which people might encounter in Greymoor have nothing to do with Greymoor, but are merely an issue that can occur in any zone-- even in the base game-- and then they can disappear again.

The other issue I ran into was while exploring in the Lightless Hollow. After accepting the quest from the elf lady, I went off to find her husband, but he wouldn't interact with me properly-- he said something about following the dog, but then he would just stand there in the dead end where I'd found him, and his quest marker showed him as being a companion. I had to run off some distance and go back to him before his quest marker changed to a normal one and his conversation would proceed as though I were meeting him for the first time. Then, after he ran off to follow his dog, when I caught up to them (after stopping to harvest a few nodes and loot a few containers on the way) the dog was there but he was missing, or they were both there but I couldn't interact with them, or something-- I forget the specifics, but in any case something was buggy. I finally relogged and everything was fine after that.

Well, I had initially entered the Lightless Hollow by a door that maybe I wasn't supposed to have used, because when I tried to leave by that same door it wouldn't let me. So I ran around exploring the place, and I had already gotten too close to the guy while exploring the mine tunnels before I ever discovered his wife and picked up the quest from her, so that might have been why my initial attempts to talk to him were off. And as I said, I didn't follow them when they ran off to find the missing miners, but took my time looting containers and farming nodes first, even if that took me in the opposite direction from where I was supposed to be going. So maybe that caused some sort of problem as well? In any case, this sort of thing can happen in the base game on occasion, where you must relog, or reload the UI, etc., to fix a quest that seems to have gotten stuck.

So should I be ranting about these two things that I've encountered and pointing to them as evidence that "Greymoor wasn't ready for release?" Or are they just "everyday issues" that have absolutely nothing to do with Greymoor per se? Because I'm thinking the latter, not the former, and that disparaging Greymoor because of those two issues would be unfair.

Jaraal wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

Many containers that should be lootable ( cupboards, desks, trunks) are not lootable, and furnishing plans and new paintings are nonexistent.

And I spent about 8 hours stealing and got a whopping three new green furnishing plans! And zero theft/looting furnishing items, where there were many available in Elsweyr. Drop rate for new stuff is by far the worst I've ever seen in all my years playing.

I agree 100%. I've spent hours opening cupboards, wardrobes, trunks and treasure chests and wrangling harrowstorms in Western Skyrim and Blackreach. Probably 40 or 50 chests and a couple dozen storms. No new furnishing plans, no paintings, nothing. If the harrowstorms weren't tied to a daily that has a small chance for a motif, I wouldn't bother with them at all.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Personally, I'm enjoying it a lot, although I haven't played through nearly as much of it as other people have.

In my experience, some people like to complain no matter how good something is (that is, they tend to look for faults), while other people dislike complaining no matter how bad something is (that is, they tend to overlook faults).

Note that I'm speaking in general, such as when they go out to eat at a restaurant, or watch a movie, or do anything-- including playing a computer game. It's all about attitude and how different people tend to adopt either a positive or a negative attitude when reacting to the same things.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting that one attitude is better or more correct than the other; I'm just saying YMMV.

When I spend money to buy something, especially if the money I paid is non-refundable, I expect it all to work, or to be put into working order as soon as possible.

I don't care how great 60% of it works if 30% of it is problematic, and the last 10% is busted, not working as advertised, or not even in existence.

My money worked when they accepted it and spent it.
All of it, not just SOME of the money I sent.

I can't get excited by a beautiful house I bought if i find out they forgot to mention the basement floods every time in rains and the HVAC is underwater, and then they tell me there are just some issues they don't intend to ever fix because they only occur SOME of the time.
Is that focusing on the negative and ignoring the positive?

I still cant use the two new skill lines, soon as I put skill points into them I cannot change bars. really hope this gets fix soon!