mavfin wrote: »

It's up to the individual person what they pay for, or don't pay for. No one here has any right to tell anyone what to spend their leisure money on.

If they can't control themselves and gamble their money away, don't blame ESO. Those people would have squandered it somewhere, if not here.

It's the individual's responsibility, not anyone else's.

If you don't like what the game company offers, or the prices, or anything else, by all means, you are welcome to find another game. They don't owe you any kind of control of prices or anything else. As long as they get enough people playing/paying, their goal is accomplished. They know that they can't make everyone happy. It's impossible.

Take responsibility for your own choices, and stop telling other people what they can and can't pay for.

QFT

It's easy. If it's so expensive, then don't buy anything on the crown store. Use what resources you have for your real life family and pets.

idk wrote: »

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

Ps4 per crown is 85g low to 100g norm.

425,000 gold for a full motif isn't bad.

That is not relevant to the cash to crown conversion which is what the discussion is about. Unless we want to talk about rates for the gold sellers.

It totally is relevant - there's an active in-game economy of paying gold to have crown items gifted to you by other players.

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

Javelin - $2,500
The Javelin is the most expensive and impressive ship in Star Citizen to date.

https://www.gameskinny.com/7pxq0/the-most-expensive-ships-in-star-citizen#:~:text=Javelin - $2,500,original run have been sold.

Don't give ZOS any ideas.

Lysette wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

It's easy. If it's so expensive, then don't buy anything on the crown store. Use what resources you have for your real life family and pets.

you assume with it that people cannot afford it - but this is not necessarily the case. One can deem a price tag as too high regardless. think about it - a hot dog for 100 dollars is too high a price tag for what it offers, whereas getting a Ferrari for 150,000 dollars might be a real bargain - and this judgement is independent of if one could afford it or not.

Exactly, it's asinine to do so, but I guess you'll always have the Zenimax/Bethesda apologists barging in to defend *** practices. They can do better, but if no-one questions them, then nothing will ever change. In this case however, money talks, so if people keep buying, they will keep selling with these prices. This thread is redundant, but I wanted to see people's opinions anyway.

p.s. by no means am I targeting the devs, they have little say in these matters. It's the business side of things that's so tough, and well, big companies like Blizzard, Bethesda etc. have been extra bad lately, and it's partly our fault too.

Shagreth wrote: »

I don't mean to sound entitled but in what universe is this ok? These are hard times, yes, not asking for free stuff, but that is rather demoralizing.

This is happening with every game with a store almost. Those motifs you mentioned as currently priced at more expensive than the actual game you would buy them in. I get that every game is doing this but that doesn't excuse any game that does it. We're just piggy banks to them and they count on things like FOMO from players. Just buy what crowns you care to spend and don't go over that budget is the best advise. And if you can't afford it, don't sweat it. They'll be there trying to get into your wallet when you can. Just keep in mind they invest in people that don't do anything except figure out ways they can get players to spend. Just make that a bad investment on their part. Or just let them be supported by the whales and enjoy the game without that extra stuff. At least that's my suggestion and don't let anyone push you into spending if you don't want to.

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

Javelin - $2,500
The Javelin is the most expensive and impressive ship in Star Citizen to date.

https://www.gameskinny.com/7pxq0/the-most-expensive-ships-in-star-citizen#:~:text=Javelin - $2,500,original run have been sold.

This has nothing to do wth the post. You’re throwing in an example of a failed to launch crowd funding game.

And to be honest because I’m a backer myself, those are basically pay to win items set at high monetary tiers to increase funding.

Back on topic, the crown prices are high period. Regardless of the ZOS logic, many have remained high for 6-12 months and are not even in line with changes to the game. Some items are even what many call bait and switch tactics.

Sure people don’t have to buy them...but if you can’t get them or it’s almost impossible due to players focus now, it points out obvious concerns in their practices. As an example the 5k motifs began with the imperial style which was a racial passive only accessible via a pre order and later purchasing chapters or then dlc. The chapter and dlc cost less than the motif

When the lead has had to address it publicly and chose to say if you don’t like it, you don’t have to be here...it’s a problem and not anyone opinion of the matter.

There is one thing that I think is stupidly overpriced, and that's Outfit slots*. Even if it was account-wide, 1500 crowns is damn high.

Especially if they had actually wanted to encourage people to use the Outfit system.


(of course, my view on that one may be colored by Star Trek Online, where two account-wide costume slots are something like 400 or 500 'crowns.' I've got 16 or 18 slots unlocked in that game )



* yes, the big houses are expensive. But Big Houses are kind of a niche thing, whereas the outfit system is something that's supposed to be 'casual use for everyone'.

kargen27 wrote: »

Not picking on you but am replying to the "If they can't control themselves and gamble their money away" comment you and others have made. That is being a bit presumptuous. I sometimes get invited to run trials with a guild that is mostly retired people when they can't fill the group. Getting to know some of them they are first off retired so have a lot of time. A few of them for health reasons are kinda stuck at home so the game is their go to thing to fill the day. More than a few of them invested very well and have more than enough funds to indulge in whatever they wish. We shouldn't assume people taking full advantage of the crown store are somehow not able to control themselves or are throwing their money away.

I actually did not intend to imply that at all. If someone has invested well, and has the money to throw at it, spend as much as they wish. I only mentioned the gambling thing because people do such things, and the games get blamed for it, when they would have done it somewhere.

Darkenarlol wrote: »

1) be a smart buyer - buy crowns on crown sale events (bigger packs with discount is your deal)

2) eso+ comes with some crowns too (like ~20k/year, not enough for me lol)

3) noone forces you to buy motifs for 5k crowns instead of buying them in-gmae for gold from players/guild stores


be safe and have a nice day

It's not about being forced, it's about being manipulated and nudged. Like many other companies in modern gaming, they've built an incredible system of subtle pressures that eventually you find yourself justifying the prices of these things. Of course these new armors look way better than what's available in base content. Of course they're hard to get and require hours of content.

Anything in that crown store - aside from character services - should be reasonably available in the game. They prioritize that crown store and push it on people. They shouldn't be given some moral pass because they haven't locked core mechanics behind paywalls. We all know they would if it wasn't for people complaining.

I remember years ago they tried something like that noise-fest Neverwinter does - on screen ads. There was an absolute uproar. They back pedaled and spun it. Who wants to play a game like that? Now we just see it when log in. That's fun.

mavfin wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

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I refuse to buy dungeon DLCs or crown crates. The latter especially are exploitation and the people that buy them are only enabling companies to keep up and expand these practices. I'm happy to buy houses or whatever, but I'd surely buy more things if they were cheaper. I just can't justify paying for the 13k crowns for these things.

I have no problem with what you said, in regard to your own choices. Your choices are your own.

Just remember that every other person has the right to decide on their own to spend on X or Y. Your choices do not have to be their choices, and you don't have the right to make those choices for them.

We're talking about luxury pixel pricing here, not gouging for water in Africa, after all.

Of course they have that right, if you want to call it that. But I think it needs to be said what people are buying into. Like any market, there's all sorts invisible hands nudging people into different directions based on their demand. My intention is to nudge people away from these purchases because I feel like they take away from the enjoyment of the game.

ESO is an expensive game and splices up content to a more minute degree than even some F2P games. I still haven't heard a good justification for why the dungeon DLCs are sold separately from the expansions. They're small focused content that most other games, WoW coming to mind, typically include in their expansions. It's all very intentional and I want people to be aware of that.

Motifs are another example - in Guild Wars 2, a free-to-play with friggin' NCSOFT backing, doesn't even charge that. The item drops, you learn the style, done. Not that I subscribe to the labor theory of value, but that's ridiculous. I think if more people are at least of all the nudging these games do, maybe we can get a return to how gaming used to be. Where it was about the game and not about the shops.