Are Crown Prices out of control?

Shagreth

I truly hate to whine and cry in my first post after returning to the game but have the Crown Prices always been so high? Having some financial issues right now, so I guess my psychology is getting the better of me, but if I'm not mistaking anything.. it would cost me 5000 crowns (~35 euro) for a motif (which is nothing spectacular) and around 85 euro for a fully furnished notable house. I don't mean to sound entitled but in what universe is this ok? These are hard times, yes, not asking for free stuff, but that is rather demoralizing.

Dr_Sinister

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

Javelin - $2,500
The Javelin is the most expensive and impressive ship in Star Citizen to date.

https://www.gameskinny.com/7pxq0/the-most-expensive-ships-in-star-citizen#:~:text=Javelin - $2,500,original run have been sold.

Grandchamp1989

It is not just ESO.

Remember when 2 dollar horse armor was scandalous?

Now every game from fortnite to Apex Legends charge 20 dollar for an emote.

Mancombe_Nosehair

Use Tamriel trade centre on discord, and buy stuff with gold instead, although you can't get houses.

AlnilamE

You're supposed to get those things in game (except for the crown only houses).

I don't buy anything from the crown store if I can get it in game.

Shagreth

ESO plus is optional, but I would argue that it's actually necessary to play the game and experience everything. One way or the other you have to pay for dlc and/or expansions, I'd wager some of that money is used to make these amazingly big houses and other overpriced things from the store. I wouldn't want to compare with something so hyperbolic as the Javelin, that's rather unhealthy.

Optional or not and disregarding which pool of money they're draining to create these assets, I believe that the prices are astronomical for what they offer (subjective? perhaps) I also strongly disagree with loot boxes, but let's not get there, it's already done.

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

It is not just ESO.

Remember when 2 dollar horse armor was scandalous?

Now every game from fortnite to Apex Legends charge 20 dollar for an emote.

Yeah, it's depressing, but it's now the standard.

Radiance

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

Javelin - $2,500
The Javelin is the most expensive and impressive ship in Star Citizen to date.

https://www.gameskinny.com/7pxq0/the-most-expensive-ships-in-star-citizen#:~:text=Javelin - $2,500,original run have been sold.

I wont name names but there have been people on this very forum that claim to have spent thousands trying to get those Radiant Apex mounts so there are open ended price-tags on some things here, nobody really knows exactly how many crates It takes.

Austinseph1

People that have money to spend 100$ on cash shops would find another way to lose their money. The whole purpose of the game is to funnel you into the cash shop from a business perspective. Buy chapters to keep you busy, and shovel micro transactions to you at a premium in-between. That's how they can sell you the whole game for 10$ but charge 100$ for a house that took 1/10,000 the time to make.

Iccotak

@Shagreth

ESO plus is optional, but I would argue that it's actually necessary to play the game and experience everything. One way or the other you have to pay for dlc and/or expansions

I agree with this. As a dedicated ESO player subscription is basically required.

Jacarranda

yes.

Mancombe_Nosehair

Iccotak wrote: »

@Shagreth

ESO plus is optional, but I would argue that it's actually necessary to play the game and experience everything. One way or the other you have to pay for dlc and/or expansions

I agree with this. As a dedicated ESO player subscription is basically required.

I'm a dedicated player, and I've never needed one. Don't get me wrong, the bag is of great use, but it is by no means essential, you just need to act rationally when it comes to bag space.

AcadianPaladin

I have to scratch my head when I see the outfit slots. I figure most folks would want one for each character and be willing to pay a decent price for it. But at the current cost of one, I question how many they sell. I have to believe it would be more profitable to make the additional outfit account wide or cut the price down to where a player might actually consider buying one for each character instead of laughing and buying none.

Iccotak

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

@Shagreth

ESO plus is optional, but I would argue that it's actually necessary to play the game and experience everything. One way or the other you have to pay for dlc and/or expansions

I agree with this. As a dedicated ESO player subscription is basically required.

I'm a dedicated player, and I've never needed one. Don't get me wrong, the bag is of great use, but it is by no means essential, you just need to act rationally when it comes to bag space.

I only have so much time in a day and a week to play.
I mainly play one character but I am working on my other characters who are all various classes and differing roles.
I am a master crafter, I collect alot of resources, I frequently dungeons delve and craft gear for all my characters.
I do not use any of my characters as storage because I think that is a waste of a character slot. When I make a character it is because I want to try out something new, it is a character concept I am excited to try out.

The benefits of ESO+ work great for me as someone that plays all the content and has multiple characters. The experience is far better with ESO+ than without it as resource management is not bearing down on me. Also it's not expensive $15 a month is basically buying a lunch.

Mancombe_Nosehair

Iccotak wrote: »

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

@Shagreth

ESO plus is optional, but I would argue that it's actually necessary to play the game and experience everything. One way or the other you have to pay for dlc and/or expansions

I agree with this. As a dedicated ESO player subscription is basically required.

I'm a dedicated player, and I've never needed one. Don't get me wrong, the bag is of great use, but it is by no means essential, you just need to act rationally when it comes to bag space.

I only have so much time in a day and a week to play.
I mainly play one character but I am working on my other characters who are all various classes and differing roles.
I am a master crafter, I collect alot of resources, I frequently dungeons delve and craft gear for all my characters.
I do not use any of my characters as storage because I think that is a waste of a character slot. When I make a character it is because I want to try out something new, it is a character concept I am excited to try out.

The benefits of ESO+ work great for me as someone that plays all the content and has multiple characters. The experience is far better with ESO+ than without it as resource management is not bearing down on me. Also it's not expensive $15 a month is basically buying a lunch.

Absolutely. Some people will find it a necessity, others won't. Each to their own.

Tapio75

Yeah, but its because people dont value their money anymore and feel they dont have to save for anything because many can just loan more and get themselves in trouble in the future with too many small loans.

idk

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

They can charge the prices they do because of players that pony of the crowns/cash. It is really that simple. Players, as a group, determine if the prices are too high or not and enough of us say they prices are fine.

Not me, but enough of us do.

Dr_Sinister

idk wrote: »

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

They can charge the prices they do because of players that pony of the crowns/cash. It is really that simple. Players, as a group, determine if the prices are too high or not and enough of us say they prices are fine.

Not me, but enough of us do.

Of course they can charge whatever they want. You still don't have to buy it. Believe me, I think cash shops/loots boxes are an evil when it comes to video games. Especially when a subscription is also being charged with that but we as the consumer have allowed it because you get a certain demographic of people who just *** their money away on anything which then tells publishers and developers that it's ok to "scam" their customers through a shady form of gambling

idk

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

They can charge the prices they do because of players that pony of the crowns/cash. It is really that simple. Players, as a group, determine if the prices are too high or not and enough of us say they prices are fine.

Not me, but enough of us do.

Of course they can charge whatever they want. You still don't have to buy it. Believe me, I think cash shops/loots boxes are an evil when it comes to video games. Especially when a subscription is also being charged with that but we as the consumer have allowed it because you get a certain demographic of people who just *** their money away on anything which then tells publishers and developers that it's ok to "scam" their customers through a shady form of gambling

Personally I prefer subscriptions as well. I understand that 15 USD a month is pretty cheap adn that a pure sub game would probably be more like 20-25 USD. I prefer it because it promotes developing quality content and maintaining the game. Look at the poor quality of the F2P games like Neverwinter.

However, it seems more and more that players are not willing to pay to play which is probably why we see fewer games why dual business models like ESO has are coming about. That means cash shops have to cover the rest of the revenue, unfortunately.

Dr_Sinister

idk wrote: »

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

They can charge the prices they do because of players that pony of the crowns/cash. It is really that simple. Players, as a group, determine if the prices are too high or not and enough of us say they prices are fine.

Not me, but enough of us do.

Of course they can charge whatever they want. You still don't have to buy it. Believe me, I think cash shops/loots boxes are an evil when it comes to video games. Especially when a subscription is also being charged with that but we as the consumer have allowed it because you get a certain demographic of people who just *** their money away on anything which then tells publishers and developers that it's ok to "scam" their customers through a shady form of gambling

Personally I prefer subscriptions as well. I understand that 15 USD a month is pretty cheap adn that a pure sub game would probably be more like 20-25 USD. I prefer it because it promotes developing quality content and maintaining the game. Look at the poor quality of the F2P games like Neverwinter.

However, it seems more and more that players are not willing to pay to play which is probably why we see fewer games why dual business models like ESO has are coming about. That means cash shops have to cover the rest of the revenue, unfortunately.

Sorry, I should correct myself. Cash shops are fine when it comes to cosmetics and nothing that is in any form Pay to Win. Loot boxes must go. That's gambling and does not belong in video games whatsoever.

Rovaeden

Yes! Crown prices are ABSURD!

All ZOS seems to care about these days is the Crown Store.

I argue they would make better money if every crown store item was always available at a reasonable price. Lots more people would buy more things.

I avoid crown store and those thieving gambling crates.

Really makes me angry that ZOS is so cheap and stingy when it comes to Crown Store items, cuz some of them are really cool.

Rovaeden

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

Loot boxes must go. That's gambling and does not belong in video games whatsoever.

AMEN!!

TropicsDelight

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

Javelin - $2,500
The Javelin is the most expensive and impressive ship in Star Citizen to date.

There is a big difference between those ships and the ESO crown store items though because those ships had limited runs. There were only 250 of those ships made available and once those 250 were sold they were gone. Those ships also exist in a non-instanced world where they can interact with the other players. You see one of those ships, that is an actual rare item few people will ever own and it exists in the actual game world.

ESO on the other hand does not limit crown store items. Every single person in ESO can own their own instanced version of the houses, they are not exclusive limited content that other players walk by. You can buy the house in Solitude but I can walk by that same house you supposedly own and pop in and check out a preview instance of that house, and a million other people can be on the doorstep of that house zoning in and zoning out of their own instances.

There are some insanely expensive items that have sold in MMOG's including moons that sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars. But that moon? It is one of a kind. Every player that plays that game interacts with the moon that is owned by that single player. You visit that moon? You are visiting that guys moon.

Selling unlimited copies of instanced content does not even come close to comparing to some of those online sales of digital items that are truly exclusive and exist in the actual continuous game world.

Dr_Sinister

TropicsDelight wrote: »

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

Javelin - $2,500
The Javelin is the most expensive and impressive ship in Star Citizen to date.

There is a big difference between those ships and the ESO crown store items though because those ships had limited runs. There were only 250 of those ships made available and once those 250 were sold they were gone. Those ships also exist in a non-instanced world where they can interact with the other players. You see one of those ships, that is an actual rare item few people will ever own and it exists in the actual game world.

ESO on the other hand does not limit crown store items. Every single person in ESO can own their own instanced version of the houses, they are not exclusive limited content that other players walk by. You can buy the house in Solitude but I can walk by that same house you supposedly own and pop in and check out a preview instance of that house, and a million other people can be on the doorstep of that house zoning in and zoning out of their own instances.

There are some insanely expensive items that have sold in MMOG's including moons that sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars. But that moon? It is one of a kind. Every player that plays that game interacts with the moon that is owned by that single player. You visit that moon? You are visiting that guys moon.

Selling unlimited copies of instanced content does not even come close to comparing to some of those online sales of digital items that are truly exclusive and exist in the actual continuous game world.

Irrelevant. It's all pixels. Are you telling me they made limited pixels to sell hahaha??

Darkenarlol

1) be a smart buyer - buy crowns on crown sale events (bigger packs with discount is your deal)

2) eso+ comes with some crowns too (like ~20k/year, not enough for me lol)

3) noone forces you to buy motifs for 5k crowns instead of buying them in-gmae for gold from players/guild stores


be safe and have a nice day

Ectheliontnacil

Funnily enough I think they'd make more money if things were cheaper.

If the skill lvl tokens were cheap, EVERYONE would stop grinding psijic, mages guild, undaunted and buy them instead.
Also race/alliance/appearance change tokens would be flying off the shelves.

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Kalik_Gold

Ps4 per crown is 85g low to 100g norm.

425,000 gold for a full motif isn't bad.

Stx

Crown prices are ridiculous and the amount of content that is exclusively available in the crown store vs available in game is criminal.

I've never seen a game with so many mounts and cosmetics available ONLY for cash.

Not to mention crown crates... disgusting practice.

zaria

Radiance wrote: »

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

You don't have to buy it and it affects nothing in ESO but wanna talk prices on pixels?

Javelin - $2,500
The Javelin is the most expensive and impressive ship in Star Citizen to date.

https://www.gameskinny.com/7pxq0/the-most-expensive-ships-in-star-citizen#:~:text=Javelin - $2,500,original run have been sold.

I wont name names but there have been people on this very forum that claim to have spent thousands trying to get those Radiant Apex mounts so there are open ended price-tags on some things here, nobody really knows exactly how many crates It takes.

Yes, and some here might be so rich their main problem is not the cost but the time buying crates and doing the mini game.
And yes if you are after the radiant apex mount you are into this as drop rate is so low.

Kiralyn2000

Crown versions of motifs that can be farmed in game have always been higher than Crown-only ones, as far as I recall. In this case, it's the "laziness/convenience factor" that increases the price.


As far as I've seen the general price of similar things has remained at about the same level, it's not increasing. The overall proportion of expensive items to cheap items may be increasing, however. (i.e, basic costumes are still 500/700/1000 for simple->fancy versions. But there aren't as many released as there used to be. So the overall number of 'cheap' things goes down.)

Curtdogg47

I think if they weren’t selling crown items the price would come down. Or the game would go out of business. Either way I think it all comes down to personal enjoyment and investment in the game. One person may feel that a crown item or house is an enjoyable investment of the their money. Others might think it’s to highly priced.

Starlock

This game hasn’t practiced ethical monetization... ever, really. And it has gotten worse over time rather than better so far. If only they were “nickel and diming” customers. It’s more like “ten to hundreding” customers.