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Why even buy greymoor now?
BeefyMrTips
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Did we really need to nerf frenzy to literal death?
Lol what’s the point of updating vampire skills if we are back to only using one, maybe 2 skills from the line? I’d rather have my passives from old skill line than this. Why even buy greymoor at this point?
I can already see the comments.. “well then don’t buy greymoor”, lol I know and to be honest I don’t have a reason to, now.
Edited by BeefyMrTips on May 14, 2020 2:00PM Lol what’s the point of updating vampire skills if we are back to only using one, maybe 2 skills from the line? I’d rather have my passives from old skill line than this. Why even buy greymoor at this point?
I can already see the comments.. “well then don’t buy greymoor”, lol I know and to be honest I don’t have a reason to, now.
Mr. was my Father's name, just the tips is fine.
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XomRhoK✭✭✭✭✭Vampires revamp is part of base game, you don't need to buy Greymoor chapter anyway.
And i have a feeling, that players mostly upset, because they lose almost free 660 wp/sp damage (more, if count buffs and crits), not about that they lose vampire skill.Edited by XomRhoK on May 14, 2020 2:25PM27 -
Kidgangster101✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yep idk why it is taking this change to show you not to buy anything...... Idk performance alone kept me from eso plus over a year and not buying graymore either. The only way they will actually fix performance is if people band together and not buy stuff (including their precious crown store that always works perfect and if not it is fixed right away) but the base game continues to run on spaghetti code.10 -
JAwtunes✭✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »Yep idk why it is taking this change to show you not to buy anything...... Idk performance alone kept me from eso plus over a year and not buying graymore either. The only way they will actually fix performance is if people band together and not buy stuff (including their precious crown store that always works perfect and if not it is fixed right away) but the base game continues to run on spaghetti code.
We just need to spread out more. We only have ourselves to blame!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Where did we lose the 660. Wp/sp
We technically didn't lose it but its not something you can leave on and power heal though. Cost increase by 20% per second is uncapped. Eventually it'll cost your whole Health pool to cast per second and then it turns off.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
Ildun✭✭✭✭Because of new contents. But I dislike the concept of "year long adventure", for me the gap between main story is too long, it break immersion and make it hard to connect two part of story. I feel upset that I can't remember some character during last ceremony in Elsweyr.4
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Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭But mythic items!
PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
Septimus Ozurk - Orsimer Sorcerer0 -
Stravokov✭✭✭✭im holding off on greymoor until vampires are playable. i was really hoping the vampire revamp was going to be fun and challenging new way to play. instead it is now a broken skill line that your forced to play with even greater penalties that go against the their own principle of "Play the way you want".
im hoping after some play testing they will adjust the skill line, but you know how ZO$ works, that wont happen until the next DLC/chapter.7 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?Edited by Cinbri on May 15, 2020 8:54AM5 -
xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?
Only if you have the certain dlcs to complete getting all the mythic items.
This was poorly thought out or marketing to make moreee sales of the dlcs.
So to me Greymoor is not a complete chapter, as Summerset was for example.Edited by xXMeowMeowXx on May 15, 2020 12:48PM8 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭BeefyMrTips wrote: »Did we really need to nerf frenzy to literal death?
Lol what’s the point of updating vampire skills if we are back to only using one, maybe 2 skills from the line? I’d rather have my passives from old skill line than this. Why even buy greymoor at this point?
I can already see the comments.. “well then don’t buy greymoor”, lol I know and to be honest I don’t have a reason to, now.
Don't. Like, seriously if you aren't happy and don't want the other stuff, don't buy Greymoor. You speak with your wallet. I have refunded mine because they took what looked cool and needed some small tweaks and not such a harsh normal ability cost penalty, and completely destroyed it.
My reason for coming back was vampire changes. No point in playing any part or dropping the $130 on Greymoor & 6 month ESO plus if I'm not happy with that one bit.3 -
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BeefyMrTips✭✭✭✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »BeefyMrTips wrote: »Did we really need to nerf frenzy to literal death?
Lol what’s the point of updating vampire skills if we are back to only using one, maybe 2 skills from the line? I’d rather have my passives from old skill line than this. Why even buy greymoor at this point?
I can already see the comments.. “well then don’t buy greymoor”, lol I know and to be honest I don’t have a reason to, now.
Don't. Like, seriously if you aren't happy and don't want the other stuff, don't buy Greymoor. You speak with your wallet. I have refunded mine because they took what looked cool and needed some small tweaks and not such a harsh normal ability cost penalty, and completely destroyed it.
My reason for coming back was vampire changes. No point in playing any part or dropping the $130 on Greymoor & 6 month ESO plus if I'm not happy with that one bit.
I agree, I don’t understand the need to completely destroy. I’m hoping next patch they realize and addressMr. was my Father's name, just the tips is fine.4 -
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✭✭BeefyMrTips wrote: »navystylz_ESO wrote: »BeefyMrTips wrote: »Did we really need to nerf frenzy to literal death?
Lol what’s the point of updating vampire skills if we are back to only using one, maybe 2 skills from the line? I’d rather have my passives from old skill line than this. Why even buy greymoor at this point?
I can already see the comments.. “well then don’t buy greymoor”, lol I know and to be honest I don’t have a reason to, now.
Don't. Like, seriously if you aren't happy and don't want the other stuff, don't buy Greymoor. You speak with your wallet. I have refunded mine because they took what looked cool and needed some small tweaks and not such a harsh normal ability cost penalty, and completely destroyed it.
My reason for coming back was vampire changes. No point in playing any part or dropping the $130 on Greymoor & 6 month ESO plus if I'm not happy with that one bit.
I agree, I don’t understand the need to completely destroy. I’m hoping next patch they realize and address
They're not going to address anything next patch. Gina had already stated on the livestream today that the changes of PTS 6.0.3 are what's going to go live aside from bug fixing. She didn't even so much as show off any of the skills. Just "Oh, here's two feeding animations."
So much for the "Week of the Vampire".13 -
redgreensunset✭✭✭✭✭
✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?
Only if you have the certain dlcs to complete getting all the mythic items.
This was poorly thought out or marketing to make moreee sales of the dlcs.
So to me Greymoor is not a complete chapter, as Summerset was for example.
The way the Antiquities system works and the fact that you need most DLCs plus you'll need all future story DLCs and chapters too as they're incorporating this into all future zones as well was what turned me off both the system itself and Greymoor as a whole. It's a no from me. Maybe if I'm still around when it becomes a DLC itself and purchasable for in-game gold I might be bothered but as it stands? Nah.6 -
Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BeefyMrTips wrote: »navystylz_ESO wrote: »BeefyMrTips wrote: »Did we really need to nerf frenzy to literal death?
Lol what’s the point of updating vampire skills if we are back to only using one, maybe 2 skills from the line? I’d rather have my passives from old skill line than this. Why even buy greymoor at this point?
I can already see the comments.. “well then don’t buy greymoor”, lol I know and to be honest I don’t have a reason to, now.
Don't. Like, seriously if you aren't happy and don't want the other stuff, don't buy Greymoor. You speak with your wallet. I have refunded mine because they took what looked cool and needed some small tweaks and not such a harsh normal ability cost penalty, and completely destroyed it.
My reason for coming back was vampire changes. No point in playing any part or dropping the $130 on Greymoor & 6 month ESO plus if I'm not happy with that one bit.
I agree, I don’t understand the need to completely destroy. I’m hoping next patch they realize and address
They're not going to address anything next patch. Gina had already stated on the livestream today that the changes of PTS 6.0.3 are what's going to go live aside from bug fixing. She didn't even so much as show off any of the skills. Just "Oh, here's two feeding animations."
So much for the "Week of the Vampire".
Almost like they know the skills are *** tbh.
It took us THIS long to get any sorta actual blood scion-player promotional stuff....5 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BeefyMrTips wrote: »navystylz_ESO wrote: »BeefyMrTips wrote: »Did we really need to nerf frenzy to literal death?
Lol what’s the point of updating vampire skills if we are back to only using one, maybe 2 skills from the line? I’d rather have my passives from old skill line than this. Why even buy greymoor at this point?
I can already see the comments.. “well then don’t buy greymoor”, lol I know and to be honest I don’t have a reason to, now.
Don't. Like, seriously if you aren't happy and don't want the other stuff, don't buy Greymoor. You speak with your wallet. I have refunded mine because they took what looked cool and needed some small tweaks and not such a harsh normal ability cost penalty, and completely destroyed it.
My reason for coming back was vampire changes. No point in playing any part or dropping the $130 on Greymoor & 6 month ESO plus if I'm not happy with that one bit.
I agree, I don’t understand the need to completely destroy. I’m hoping next patch they realize and address
They're not going to address anything next patch. Gina had already stated on the livestream today that the changes of PTS 6.0.3 are what's going to go live aside from bug fixing. She didn't even so much as show off any of the skills. Just "Oh, here's two feeding animations."
So much for the "Week of the Vampire".
Almost like they know the skills are *** tbh.
It took us THIS long to get any sorta actual blood scion-player promotional stuff....
It's downright exasperating. "We listened to feedback", uh-huh. And I own swampland in Arizona that I use for gator breeding. [Snip]
[Edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on May 16, 2020 4:06PM6 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?
Only if you have the certain dlcs to complete getting all the mythic items.
This was poorly thought out or marketing to make moreee sales of the dlcs.
So to me Greymoor is not a complete chapter, as Summerset was for example.
You do understand that all crafting systems work like that, right? Crafted sets are released with zones and tied to that zone. You need access to them to craft the sets. This is the same thing. You get gear through a life skill like activity, and the gear you get is tied to the zone it's in. Jewelry Crafting was the same. If you wanted to make Rings a Necks of sets from older areas, you had to have the DLC or Chapter.
If you don't want to buy it, thats fine, you don't have to. It's also fine not to like it, you are not obligated to. But it is a complete chapter.1 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭My opinion greymore does not offer enough to be considered a chapter this maybe the first chapter I won’t buy. The new feature is just a grindfest mini game and doesn’t seem fun at all. To get the so could OP mystic items it’s way to rng with what they did with undaunted chest and transmute stones thought they where lowing the amount of rng for gearDC PC NA
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Stamcro - alt
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Stravokov✭✭✭✭the only reason ESO is so popular is because it is the only MMO currently in the medieval fantasy genre that is not heavily Asian influenced. what this game needs is healthy competition to get the devs in gear. until then it will be business as usual. personally im not buying Greymoor until the skill line is revisited.
like many others i was upset with the current state of the vampire skill line, and have taken a break over a year waiting for a change. well the change is here and i honestly didn't think they could mess it up any more, but BOY was i wrong.
ill keep an eye on any changes that come to the Vampire Skill line, but ESO never fixes or patches anything between DLCS/Chapters. which means if their are any changes they are coming in 3rd or 4th quarter of this year.
Happy waiting everyone...8 -
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✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?
Only if you have the certain dlcs to complete getting all the mythic items.
This was poorly thought out or marketing to make moreee sales of the dlcs.
So to me Greymoor is not a complete chapter, as Summerset was for example.
You do understand that all crafting systems work like that, right? Crafted sets are released with zones and tied to that zone. You need access to them to craft the sets. This is the same thing. You get gear through a life skill like activity, and the gear you get is tied to the zone it's in. Jewelry Crafting was the same. If you wanted to make Rings a Necks of sets from older areas, you had to have the DLC or Chapter.
If you don't want to buy it, thats fine, you don't have to. It's also fine not to like it, you are not obligated to. But it is a complete chapter.
@Tessitura no it's not. It is more like if you want to use a crafting station that came with say Elsweyr, but to craft a piece of gear on it you also have to go to Summerset, Wrothgar and Murkmire. If you don't own those dlcs you're put of luck and can't get that set. Further the existence of attuned crafting tables means that you don't actually need access to that dlc as long as you can get access to an attuned station with the set.
Which goes against what they've beem advertising their game as so far, that you only need to buy that specific dcl to be able to use its major feature. But here you need access to the whole game to get use of that system.
Oh and did I mention everything is bound. Because for crafted sets you you can get someone else to trade you stuff, not so here.5 -
Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, I have preordered every chapter since I started playing but this will be the first time that I wont. A ton of amazing games coming out this year so it's time to play other things till they can get their game back in an acceptable working state. Cant even play PvE content without laggy instances and I will never step foot in Cyrodiil again. They need to do something drastic to make Cyrodiil playable again or turn it off. It is an embarrassment for a 6 year old game in 2020 to just leave content in such an ugly state. One of the best mathematical theory crafters in ESO will be leaving ESO if the game remains in this state when Greymore releases, Asiangod was one of the coolest ones left playing. Others are playing other games instead and it really makes you loose faith.9 -
xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?
Only if you have the certain dlcs to complete getting all the mythic items.
This was poorly thought out or marketing to make moreee sales of the dlcs.
So to me Greymoor is not a complete chapter, as Summerset was for example.
You do understand that all crafting systems work like that, right? Crafted sets are released with zones and tied to that zone. You need access to them to craft the sets. This is the same thing. You get gear through a life skill like activity, and the gear you get is tied to the zone it's in. Jewelry Crafting was the same. If you wanted to make Rings a Necks of sets from older areas, you had to have the DLC or Chapter.
If you don't want to buy it, thats fine, you don't have to. It's also fine not to like it, you are not obligated to. But it is a complete chapter.
No you’re wrong, the crafting systems did not work like that, they were included in the chapter.
Also, you can easily get access to pretty much any crafting set, via at your guildhalls on the Attunable crafting stations....
Greymoor is not a complete chapter as others have been. It purposely pushes players to purchase ESO+ or Buy multiple DLCs.
No other chapter in ESO history has ever done this before!! It is a money grab tactic, imo.
The Antiquities System is the prime culprit.
Summerset did not require this for the two new skill lines, Jewelry Crafting and The Psijic Skill line. All were completable in the base game and the new chapter....No extra DLCs were needed for purchase.
The Warden and the Necromancer classes were both included with their chapters, complete.
The highly marketed Mythic Items in Greymoor are not included in the chapter completely or the base game. You in fact do need to have certain DLCs purchased or have ESO+ to complete it.
They could have easily fit the grind for mythic items with in the base game and the new chapter....
They purposely put in other DLCs to make more money, simple.
Edited by xXMeowMeowXx on May 16, 2020 8:00AM6 -
WraithShadow13✭✭✭✭the only reason ESO is so popular is because it is the only MMO currently in the medieval fantasy genre that is not heavily Asian influenced.
ESO is the greatest D&D mmo on the market... which is sad, since it's the knock-off, lol.
As for the other stuff, I agree that the Vampire stuff is horrendously disappointing. More so, when they tout the "Weak of the Vampire" yet refuse to answer questions or show it off at all. They spent about 20-25 minutes of the hour fifteen on vampires and during that stream they refused to answer ANY vampire questions. They didn't show off powers, when they tried to show off feeding it clipped like crazy or the camera blocked it all out. It's just a huge mess.
I've already bought the DLC though, as i want the new zone and all the good stuff that comes with it. That said, I don't blame people for not buying. PVP is unplayable at the moment, there is way too much lag, and why play a game when you have to hit a button multiple times just to get the ability to activate once? More so, if the game is still having these issues AFTER then streamline it and make everyone redownload the game. They also charge WAAAAAY too much for anything in the store (like housing) but that's an entirely different gripe...
Buy the Chapter for the zone. Most people hear skyrim and come running anyway but no, i don't blame anyone for not wanting to spend money in this game with the current state of things.3 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭redgreensun[quote= wrote:xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?
Only if you have the certain dlcs to complete getting all the mythic items.
This was poorly thought out or marketing to make moreee sales of the dlcs.
So to me Greymoor is not a complete chapter, as Summerset was for example.
You do understand that all crafting systems work like that, right? Crafted sets are released with zones and tied to that zone. You need access to them to craft the sets. This is the same thing. You get gear through a life skill like activity, and the gear you get is tied to the zone it's in. Jewelry Crafting was the same. If you wanted to make Rings a Necks of sets from older areas, you had to have the DLC or Chapter.
If you don't want to buy it, thats fine, you don't have to. It's also fine not to like it, you are not obligated to. But it is a complete chapter.
@Tessitura no it's not. It is more like if you want to use a crafting station that came with say Elsweyr, but to craft a piece of gear on it you also have to go to Summerset, Wrothgar and Murkmire. If you don't own those dlcs you're put of luck and can't get that set. Further the existence of attuned crafting tables means that you don't actually need access to that dlc as long as you can get access to an attuned station with the set.
Which goes against what they've beem advertising their game as so far, that you only need to buy that specific dcl to be able to use its major feature. But here you need access to the whole game to get use of that system.
Oh and did I mention everything is bound. Because for crafted sets you you can get someone else to trade you stuff, not so here.
Alright, since you went out of your way to ping me for some reason, lets get into it. You are right, it isn't exactly the same, cause it's a whole new system, brand new, with no kind of standard to go off of. And like all systems in games, it generally interacts with more content then just the zone it showed up with. So I don't see how its a shock to you that it behaves like most other systems to gain gear.
You are able to use the major feature in this chapter, the SYSTEM, you have full access to, the gear that that system can get you requires you to go to certain zones. That gear is a retroactive addition to the game, editions to the older content, and the system is required to find it. But the system it's self you have access to, can level, and use.
You don't like the system? You don't like the zones? You don't like the Trial? Fine don't buy it, you shouldn't buy something you don't want or like. But to say there is no point, that the chapter isn't a full chapter is unfair and silly. It has everything a chapter needs to be a chapter. It fits what they advertise, which they don't explicitly advertise in the way that you claim in the first place. But it still fits that. Whether it's a good chapter or not is up to the consumer.I myself will probably not buy it until it goes on sale or something. But plenty of people will buy and enjoy the adventure, the trial, the antiquities, the harrowstorms, and the new gear sets.
Edited by Tessitura on May 17, 2020 12:41AM2 -
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✭redgreensunset wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »You do understand that gremoor grant access to antiquity system while vampire is just QoL improvement of base game available for everyone?
Only if you have the certain dlcs to complete getting all the mythic items.
This was poorly thought out or marketing to make moreee sales of the dlcs.
So to me Greymoor is not a complete chapter, as Summerset was for example.
The way the Antiquities system works and the fact that you need most DLCs plus you'll need all future story DLCs and chapters too as they're incorporating this into all future zones as well was what turned me off both the system itself and Greymoor as a whole. It's a no from me. Maybe if I'm still around when it becomes a DLC itself and purchasable for in-game gold I might be bothered but as it stands? Nah.
Yh, i was so excited for this Chapter! Though once I got to the PTS it just felt light and unfinished.
Furthermore with some of the odd decisions made with Vampires and the existing VMA weapons. That certainly didn’t help.
On a positive note I luv the new content. Not to mention the impressive creativity of artists working on ESO.
Greymoor could be a record breaking chapter or a massive missed opportunity. Only when the final product hits live will we see.
Sadly the performance improvements have not yet been fulfilled. *fingers crossed, hoping ESO gets it’s magic back*
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