Demnvath wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Demnvath wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Demnvath wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

If there was a more in depth outlaw system then sure, but there isn't its just a silly gold sink put into the game, when they cancelled Outlaw PvP.

Why dont we make Nightblade skill line Siphoning a crime with skills like Strife draining the blood from your enemies, where do we draw the line.

Drain spells are in the destruction magic school. Destruction is not forbiden. It's like casting a fireball. That's as simple as this. It's killing people with that fireball or that drain spell that is forbiden.

Congrats, you've just described how daedric conjuration is treated in every TES game.

You quote a sentence where I don't speak of any daedric thing. It's nowhere an evidence.
Conjuration is strictly regulated by the authorities (even in Morrowind) when it deals with summoning daedra (or skelettons, same magic school).
2E583 is a time where a daedric prince try to merge Nirn with his own realm, and in no way summoning daedric spawns is welcome by any citizen of any place on Tamriel, thus by the authorities (except, again, in Morrowind)

I quoted you on destruction, pointing out that you are ignoring that this is exactly the same approach followed by the authorities when it comes to Conjuration. Regulated? Sure, the regulation we see is "don't let your summons hurt people."

As for the Planemeld...

You haven't played TES IV Oblivion, have you. You should. It's a good game.

Its also a game where a Daedric Prince is trying to merge Nirn with his own realm. Yes, ZOS pretty much stole the "Molag Bal tries to invade Nirn" plot straight from TES IV Oblivion. Mehrunes Dagon is miffed at Molag Bal copying him. Which makes your attempt to point to ESO's plot as justification pretty hilarious. We've already been there, done that, and and - guess what - nobody cares that I'm summoning Daedra in Oblivion. Even in the middle of a full-blown daedric invasions that destroyed a major city, there's a whole Mages Guild post dedicated to teaching Conjuration, including summoning Daedra. So, no, actually the citizens of Tamriel don't care that I'm summoning daedric creatures. Even in the middle of a daedric invasion of Nirn.

Look, even Vanus Galerion summons dremora: https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal

I get it, you wanna point to your selectively cherry-picked lore sources and ignore the gameplay of ESO and previous TES games in order to remove sorc pets. You want to ignore the fact that daedric Conjuration - even when it is regulated - has never once been a criminal act for players unless an NPC is injured by the summon - even in the midst of a full-blown daedric invasion (both in ESO and in Oblivion.)

Just ask ZOS for other ways to handle the problems sorc pets can cause. Trying to point to selected lore or plot of ESO is not very strong support for criminalizing gameplay retroactively.

You just make your gaming experience a point. It's not how it works.

Summoning daedra is dangerous and in every TES you have examples of summoners being killed by their spawns which then go on a rampage over near villages and citizens. The number of conjurers' bodies in TES games is tremendous.

The fact that a skilled Heroe of Kvatch, Nerevarine or Dovahkiin summon daedra without alarming anybody has nothing to do with hundreds of nobodies wandering in towns with albinos daedric minions. As said before by others, a time where a daedric Prince litterally sends its minions on Nirn to kill and enslave should make the citizens from every country of Tamriel reluctant toward daedra minions of random sorcerers, as they are reluctant to necromancy or vampirism.

Summoning daedra freely is perceived differently depending on where you live on Tamriel. In Morrowind, nobody cares about a sorcerer followed by a scamp. There even are dremoras guarding shrines. The connection between dunmers and daedra is somehow beneficial. But consider that doing the exact same thing on Summerset Islands is highly dubious, as daedra are there not considered as allies at all, but foes. Consider that conjuring an atronach or any daedra in Valenwood where Gil-Var-Delle has been obliterated by Merhunes Dagon few years ago is highly doubtful. Any imperial character who fled Cyrodiil because the Empire has been destroyed by Molag Bal should fear daedra.
The best way to deal with daedra conjuration is to make different laws all over Tamriel in ESO to reflect cultural specificities. It's also a obviously difficult to bring to life in the game.
The most convenient way is: make conjuring daedra illegal. It's not the best (and I play a dunmer sorcerer, I know what I'm talking about) but it would be the most lore-friendly option.