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Rollback or the economy is doomed!
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Get out of this forum with such nonsensical posts. What do you even want to express?
I can only and literally drive you around in your mental wheelchair and assume that you are pointing towards the Dupes that happened. All dupers are banned. There is no flaw in the economy.
Btw what economy anyway?@Hrotha - EU1 -
What an informative topic. I especially like the part where you explained why you feel there needs to be a rollback and how it will fix the economy.5 -
South_of_Heaven✭✭✭dw0011nrb19_ESO wrote: »Get out of this forum with such nonsensical posts. What do you even want to express?
I can only and literally drive you around in your mental wheelchair and assume that you are pointing towards the Dupes that happened. All dupers are banned. There is no flaw in the economy.
Btw what economy anyway?
Say 100 dupers have used 1 account to dupe and traded themselves the materials. They can't possibly ban everyone who has ever traded a dupe. Distributed the items and used them for all kinds of purposes already. Do you know how long this has been going on? Do you think the items can just be retracted?,
Most will have already been used for maxing out crafting skills, duping siege weapons and promoting players in pvp to emperorship, making sets of legendary items, duping motifs and other rarities which have already been traded, distributed or used with mountains of gold gained by them or huge raw duped quantities of materials already refined.
But yea everything's swell.Edited by South_of_Heaven on April 19, 2014 6:07PM3 -
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✭what economy? this game has pocket economies and I think most of them weren't effected.1 -
Magischzwei✭✭✭They called down a pretty harsh judgement on the abusers, so im kind of torn. I've argued for a rollback in the past and would still do so, but meh.0
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Etchesketch✭✭✭✭for some of you.. the duping website is full of people bragging that they have stacks of legendaries and were not banned.
Cheating is alive and well in ESO and a rollback won't fix it, they will just do it again.
Gold spam is now non stop, you can't get a word in edgeways today.The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.2 -
Leggit✭✭@ OP:stop starting threads about rollbacks...just because YOU think that's what should be done. you add nothing to the overall discussion and your motive is personal rather than one focused on the community as a whole.0
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Censorious✭✭✭✭It's a virtual economy, not a real one.
It's a simulation. Unlike a real economy that deals in solid, real commodities, these 'items' can be deleted and created at will. In fact, they are, quite often. Every time you 'loot' an item a new one is created just for you. Every time you 'sell' to a vendor or de-construct it, the object is deleted. (and some wood, iron or cloth is created)
A game like this employs real-life accountants and economists for the sole purpose of making the simulation look as real as possible.
The duplicate issue doesn't exist. The duplicates themselves don't exist - they never did. Don't worry about it.
'Clever' sigs get old real fast - just like this one.1 -
I agree. This duping has been going on since day one. There has even been beta testers who have reported this bug and still wasn't fixed. You can never ban everyone considering materials were so cheaply bought and used by players who never did anything wrong. ROLLBACK to day 1 is the only answer. It's only been 14 days, but those days will destroy your game if you do not roll it back. I will quit immediately if something is not done.1
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Eledra✭Hm again "need rollback" b'cause huge ammout "cheated" gold/craft/other thing. Ok, then if rollback = need to aim "before" start - 4.4 or 30.3 and wipe all thing. Will you call for rollback if you lost all that you worked, and no one can give 100% word that no more cheats can be done? Iam "slow" player, thus my main is only 19lvl and max lvl in craft is provision +20lvl, still be pis** b'cause lost all, and no one will give me 100% assurance, that no more rollback occur.
I hate those gray wings at my back,
because they gave me too much pains in time of my born.
But, still i love them,
because they color is not white or black, but beautiful grey.
And who i am?
I am sinner, i am haibane.0 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭If my three characters whom I have spent the past two weeks leveling up to 17 get rolled back to level one because of some bug/exploit that I have not partaken in, nor would EVER partake in....then I'm cancelling my sub and leaving.
Why should I be punished for something I didn't do?
You want a rollback? Delete all your characters, uninstall the game, wait a day or three and then reinstall. There's your rollback. Don't drag me into this mess.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.4 -
Endolith✭✭✭chrisconroy76 wrote: »I agree. This duping has been going on since day one. There has even been beta testers who have reported this bug and still wasn't fixed. You can never ban everyone considering materials were so cheaply bought and used by players who never did anything wrong. ROLLBACK to day 1 is the only answer. It's only been 14 days, but those days will destroy your game if you do not roll it back. I will quit immediately if something is not done.
They've been letting people continue to play and progress. You think that would be happening if they were even considering a rollback. If you're going to quit without a rollback you may as well go ahead and get it over with.
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Etchesketch✭✭✭✭Anyone that thinks there is even a remote chance they would roll back servers to day one are seriously living in dreamland.
It's not going to happen ever. Not ever.The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.1 -
Yes, I agree, the economy is obviously fubared. But I think the extra gold/mats that exist from the duping will eventually get absorbed into the standard gold/mat sinks and that extra will balance out.
Personally, I think the whole, guild store thing only for guild members is a little limited. You should somehow link the stores together or something for the buyers to be able to search all guild stores, even the ones from guilds they aren't a member of. That would open up the economy a little I think and help make it better.Edited by deheartb14_ESO on April 19, 2014 6:25PMThis is my Signature, but not really because I didn't sign it with a pen and its not my name.0 -
why not a reroll to day 1? Whats so hard or bad about that? The game has only been out for 18 days, seriously?1
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knaveofengland✭✭✭i think you might have missed the point the game is like a rpg the whole series is the same, i mean cant have banks every where limited space is a problem only for hoarders like me,really no point in turning the clock back think of it a game maker roll back they are not like tescos or asda ,the economy its role playing that's why game is look back at the series will give you idea on the way game might go in furure0
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Gaudrath✭✭✭There will be no rollback, so you and others might as well save yourself some time and stop posting requests for it.
SWG did not get a rollback when the "New Game Enchancements" nuked the game and depopulated entire servers. You think this duping bug comes even close to something like that?
Not to mention this game doesn't have a sensitive economy. You can't ruin what isn't there.0 -
Endolith✭✭✭chrisconroy76 wrote: »why not a reroll to day 1? Whats so hard or bad about that? The game has only been out for 18 days, seriously?
I wouldn't oppose it. But it would have caused enough uproar if they'd done it right away. I don't think they're going to let days pass with people still playing and progressing and then do a roll back. Every hour of live game time that continues to pass makes a rollback increasingly unlikely.
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MegaGame✭a rollback will make them lose people, a big rollback even more, and if a rollback to day 1, as someone said, they lose alot, I think a day 1 rollback will kill the game.
This dupe thing has only effect a small part of the game, read the trade spam in zones, and they havnt really change except from normal play.
Like so many cheaters in games, the effect is very small, only people make it look bigger.0 -
Hexi✭✭✭✭✭As long as I don't lose my characters, just my stuff, I don't give a crap. HOWEVER, untill they actually fix the dupes, bots and exploits, what the hell is the point? These people will just do the same thing again and all you've achieved is *** people off with no reason whatsoever.0
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Nimerian✭✭✭Censorious wrote: »It's a virtual economy, not a real one.
It's a simulation. Unlike a real economy that deals in solid, real commodities, these 'items' can be deleted and created at will. In fact, they are, quite often. Every time you 'loot' an item a new one is created just for you. Every time you 'sell' to a vendor or de-construct it, the object is deleted. (and some wood, iron or cloth is created)
A game like this employs real-life accountants and economists for the sole purpose of making the simulation look as real as possible.
The duplicate issue doesn't exist. The duplicates themselves don't exist - they never did. Don't worry about it.
I dont think anyone asked for a theoretical analysis on the game economy. You are saying obvious things that are completely irrelevant to the matter. Another thing wrong is that there are people that have hundreds of thousands of gold + hundreds of duped legendary items in their banks. Lets say you are not one of them (but since you are so eager to calm the people here I would say you are guilty) why should you play weeks or a whole month to get your legendary set of items when the scums will just buy it with their unlimited money + upgrade it with the infinite mats they have?
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CORRECT, I know 20 people that are lol at this game. Im in mumble last night with 10 dudes who have 999,999,999 gold right now. Oh yeah, and theyre logged in right now playing just fine. All their gold is split on to different characters and accounts and will never be caught.0
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Gaudrath✭✭✭Another thing wrong is that there are people that have hundreds of thousands of gold + hundreds of duped legendary items in their banks. Lets say you are not one of them (but since you are so eager to calm the people here I would say you are guilty) why should you play weeks or a whole month to get your legendary set of items when the scums will just buy it with their unlimited money + upgrade it with the infinite mats they have?
Because we play the game for fun? Because we want the sense of achievement for getting our own set of legendary weapons and armor?
I don't care about those other people, just like I don't care about people who buy their gold with real money. When I'm finished, at worst they'll be on the same level as I am. Which means fair fights in PvP. Of course, people who buy and cheat to top tier gear probably suck at the rest of the game too, but hey - free points for me in that case.
That is if they don't get banned long before we meet, which is extremely likely.0 -
Etchesketch✭✭✭✭I see the Doomed thing and I picture you in a sandwich sign like a Stephen King novel, marching around Bethesda yelling "You're all DOOOOMED"
The number one rule of online gaming is now and has always been, Never play on Patch Day.0 -
Endolith✭✭✭I also don't care what other people have. If they cheated to get it, doesn't bother me. The economy will right itself over time. PvP imbalance is an issue. We don't know that ZOS is done banning, though.0
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Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭As soon as a rollback to day 1 occurs, ZOS loses most of the player base. If you know the customer habit, you'd know that.
On the other hand, ZOS can gain many new players, too. As you see, it's a risk that one can not take for a product worths $200m (or more).
If devs had requested a couple months more for a better product (like the devs of The Witcher did a short while ago) most of the player base would be OK with that, because then they would know that the promised quality will be provided.
Ending my post by saying that I'm happy with the current state of the game. The devs thought the game is ready and released it. There's nothing to be done except supporting the team by reporting exploiters and bugs. It will get better in time by everyone's help.0 -
phanSoul Shrivencant ESO make a filter with anyone with more than a million gold or a thousand legendary mats stashed0
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I am level 25 on one character (highest). I have very little gold. I would most honestly un-sub if they rolled back to day 1. I did not cheat, exploit, or whatever. I spent many hours exploring and questing. I have alts that are poor and not ventured past babylands.
I do not want to be punished because some decided to cheat or whatever. Once more they need to implement a bunch of actual GMs into the game to handle those that cheat or whatever (then there won't be no uh-oh we made mistake bans).
But rolling back to day 1 is a no, if they do that I might as well go play another MMO where I have to start at level 1 with no main..1