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Nerf Snipe
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lonestarranger✭✭✭So your point is a player should have time to react if being hit by multiple attackers at the same. I don't think so. It looks like an ambush
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Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭you could say the same thing about all the weapons skills and all damage skills in eso.
these damage skills (including snipe) are intended to kill enemy characters in both pve and pvp.
Except not all skills can be used from distance, dealing more damage than any other skill in the game (not including ultimates) also applying defile, and desyncs all the time causing 1 shots. It's a badly designed xv1 skill.
Edited by Crixus8000 on May 12, 2020 5:52PM5 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Snipe kills me = Nerf Snipe"
No mate. Learn to dodge. There is absolutely no way you can die from so many snipe attacks without having enough time to roll dodge after getting the 1st hit.
You either didnt react correctly or got killed because of lag/desync.
Snipe is fine. Leave it as it is.11 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭
this is just so wrong lol, getting sniped from STEALTH and a getting a buggy stun + desync is completely different
Do you have a video so we can watch and see for ourselves if the tell tale bow twang noise occurred? Without that we have no way to know if you got caught out of position or you were hit with the desync bud
He isnt just making this up. Spines and overload+elemental weapon are the 2 big causes of maaaasive desyncs. Its a pretty well known fact. No need for us to make a video about it.
They even name builds after it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_4ZK7eCc4
SMH
Are you leaving out leap, meteor and dizzy on purpose ? Or...is this just a nerf snipe thread??
Yes a video would tell us everything we need to know about the encounter .Again without a video we dont know if op was desynced or out of position. Facts.Edited by jadarock on May 12, 2020 5:34PM3 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭StormeReigns wrote: »25169 in total damage. Its like a battle of the soggiest limpest noodle versus the wilttiest dried up flower. May sound humorously impressive ... but, no.
Also, probably best to edit your pic before ya get tagged for naming and shaming.
I was thinking hes lucky he didnt come across myself and a buddy of mine. He'd have been 2or3 shot and quit forever xD5 -
Knightpanther✭✭✭✭✭
✭(post death recaps full of snipes here)
[snip]
LOL utter rubbish with all due respect, any one of those hits is not overpowered, any set of skills in rapid succession is going to end you without luck/dodge/block or running and hiding behind a tree if your a NB.
My CF hits harder than that when it procs and im running 5/1/1 Heavy armor (no your not nerfing it!).
Be Safe and just get over the fact that in PvP your going to die - Lots.
Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on May 12, 2020 8:56PM6 -
Parasaurolophus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP is just absurd. Any stack of skills can kill you and this technique is often used in raids. I do not see the difference from the stack of DW or Destro ult.PC/EU7 -
xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭desyncs are an issue certainly but it is not just snipe.
ZOS is aware of this but I fail to see a fix anytime soon.
If they would nerf snipe to adjust for this, then they would have to nerf multiple skills. Some which would *** some classes burst into the ground.
There’s a skill that I slot from a weapon line that melts lots of peeps. I am not exploiting anything but playing with what ZOS gave me. It is simply the bis skill for that set up. One that is used by any good player I know.
People using snipe are not doing it maliciously but just using what fits their playstyle. Also, you can put snipe on any character.
This is on ZOS not nbs,
The nerf you are asking for is a double edge sword.
Edited by xXMeowMeowXx on May 12, 2020 6:11PM3 -
FakeZavos✭✭✭✭
this is just so wrong lol, getting sniped from STEALTH and a getting a buggy stun + desync is completely different
Do you have a video so we can watch and see for ourselves if the tell tale bow twang noise occurred? Without that we have no way to know if you got caught out of position or you were hit with the desync bud
He isnt just making this up. Spines and overload+elemental weapon are the 2 big causes of maaaasive desyncs. Its a pretty well known fact. No need for us to make a video about it.
They even name builds after it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_4ZK7eCc4
SMH
Are you leaving out leap, meteor and dizzy on purpose ? Or...is this just a nerf snipe thread??
Yes a video would tell us everything we need to know about the encounter .Again without a video we dont know if op was desynced or out of position. Facts.
U know the dsync from leap/meteor is not the one we are talking about here right? Thats the movement dsync. Snipes cause HP dsync (U appear to have 100% HP, and cant heal higher, but server decides that you have 40% HP). And idk, did you read the title/picture? This post is kinda clearly talking about snipes.Why do I even try4 -
Atherakhia✭✭✭✭The skill does need to change in my opinion.
I really don't have a problem with the range or really its overall DPS. Its overall DPS also can't be changed that substantially because bow is hardly competitive as it is in PvE settings and Snipe is the main spammable skill for the weapon.So any change in damage would likely make this weapon irrelevant in PvE.
In my opinion, the range and overall damage isn't the problem... it's the burst potential this skill as because it's all in one giant chunk. The range gives it significant advantage because it's hard to block and anticipate because the target may not even be in your face or even the target you're after.
I suggest changing snipe to a channeled skill and do its damage over 1 second in 3 chunks every .3 seconds as opposed to a 1 second cast time and deal all the damage at once. This will have no negative impact on the skill in PvE. It would actually be a buff given the new sets available to bow builds that could synergize better with a channeled skill instead of a cast one. In PvP it allows users to more easily anticipate the damage and act accordingly. Give bow has snares and roots too, the kit has the tools to ensure it can still deliver this damage if necessary.
In my opinion, that's the best course of action.
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »No, learn to block or dodge roll
Learn to not spam just one button7 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭
this is just so wrong lol, getting sniped from STEALTH and a getting a buggy stun + desync is completely different
Do you have a video so we can watch and see for ourselves if the tell tale bow twang noise occurred? Without that we have no way to know if you got caught out of position or you were hit with the desync bud
He isnt just making this up. Spines and overload+elemental weapon are the 2 big causes of maaaasive desyncs. Its a pretty well known fact. No need for us to make a video about it.
They even name builds after it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_4ZK7eCc4
SMH
Are you leaving out leap, meteor and dizzy on purpose ? Or...is this just a nerf snipe thread??
Yes a video would tell us everything we need to know about the encounter .Again without a video we dont know if op was desynced or out of position. Facts.
U know the dsync from leap/meteor is not the one we are talking about here right? Thats the movement dsync. Snipes cause HP dsync (U appear to have 100% HP, and cant heal higher, but server decides that you have 40% HP). And idk, did you read the title/picture? This post is kinda clearly talking about snipes.
I've read the last 50 threads admitted I have a 4 star sniper and that the desync needs fixed.
A still photo doesnt give us the info needed to determine what happened. You know how I know this? Because I've had guildies play on another alliance who have hunted me down with snipe. Sometimes I died because I was out of position others were because of desync
but... I had the video as evidence so I could learn from it.
The issue here is a pic doesnt give the whole story.
Desync that leads to death is still desync and needs addressed by zos but singling out snipe when a half dozen other skills lead to goofy deaths shows bias
Edited by jadarock on May 12, 2020 6:24PM2 -
Atherakhia✭✭✭✭It makes absolutely 0 sense to nerf any skill because of a desync issue. ZOS needs to hire competent developers and resolve the sync issue. Not nerf snipe because of it.7
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laissezfaire✭✭✭They should consider increasing cast time and/or cost but in exchange for damage increase. Snipe should not be used as a spammable. It should be used in ways that take planning or strategy instead of just being able to stay far from your targets and pump out continuous, massive damage0
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StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This thread stinks of familiarity... I am guessing here soon, few already here and a few new will demand to have archer playstyles go through "fundamental reworks." So they can fight and win against what they prefer and not what they fail against, while openly ignoring and detracting from any desync arguments.
AKA:Bow (and magicka) users are cowards and should all be forced to fight like a man in melee! If they fail to do so, ban them all cause they are cheaters!Edited by StormeReigns on May 12, 2020 6:40PM3 -
krachall✭✭✭✭✭
✭ok I will dodge and block it when im in the middle of a 1vX and get sniped from stealth by 3 random people
So you got killed in a 4v1 fight and are complaining about snipe? That's absurd on many levels but the two main levels of absurdity are 1) no player should survive a 4v1 fight regardless of the skills the opponents used and 2) nerfing snipe would mean the 4 players you are fighting would just use different skills...which you would then demand be nerfed.
And it's funny that there's also a thread on the front page complaining about unkillable players. That would indicate they should increase snipe damage. lolEdited by krachall on May 12, 2020 6:44PM4 -
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭(post death recaps full of snipes here)
[snip]
Am I missing something? Even at max range with the range extended 5k DPS per second is nothing special no DoTs on you just a single target attack. Three from one guy had you rolled once you would have dodged any arrows in the air.
The numbers here clearly point to your lack of counter play the hints are for a Templar which makes this worst cause you should be able to out heal 5k DPS with ease.Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on May 12, 2020 8:56PMChaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well honestly thats a bad picked example. Snipes that only hit for 5k are no big deal. I had some cases where I got hit from 12-15k Snipes that would be more reason of complaint than that. Snipe is stupid yes, but it will only kill you if you don't pay attention or get that great desynch hit, with 5 Snipes hit at once from the same player.Edited by L_Nici on May 12, 2020 6:49PMPC|EU5 -
FakeZavos✭✭✭✭
this is just so wrong lol, getting sniped from STEALTH and a getting a buggy stun + desync is completely different
Do you have a video so we can watch and see for ourselves if the tell tale bow twang noise occurred? Without that we have no way to know if you got caught out of position or you were hit with the desync bud
He isnt just making this up. Spines and overload+elemental weapon are the 2 big causes of maaaasive desyncs. Its a pretty well known fact. No need for us to make a video about it.
They even name builds after it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_4ZK7eCc4
SMH
Are you leaving out leap, meteor and dizzy on purpose ? Or...is this just a nerf snipe thread??
Yes a video would tell us everything we need to know about the encounter .Again without a video we dont know if op was desynced or out of position. Facts.
U know the dsync from leap/meteor is not the one we are talking about here right? Thats the movement dsync. Snipes cause HP dsync (U appear to have 100% HP, and cant heal higher, but server decides that you have 40% HP). And idk, did you read the title/picture? This post is kinda clearly talking about snipes.
I've read the last 50 threads admitted I have a 4 star sniper and that the desync needs fixed.
A still photo doesnt give us the info needed to determine what happened. You know how I know this? Because I've had guildies play on another alliance who have hunted me down with snipe. Sometimes I died because I was out of position others were because of desync
but... I had the video as evidence so I could learn from it.
The issue here is a pic doesnt give the whole story.
Desync that leads to death is still desync and needs addressed by zos but singling out snipe when a half dozen other skills lead to goofy deaths shows bias
Why does it matter so much what happened in this exact picture? This is not a one time thing. Getting snipes like these is a some that happends alot, altough most of the time its not only snipe. Were not saying we just died here from 5 dsync snipes. We just say snipe is ***, you can spam it in the middle of a zerg while there is not much to do as a solo/smallscaler against is (you cant rolldodge 3 snipers permanently). And the skill health dsyncs like crazy. Nothing to do with this picture in particular.Why do I even try1 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Problem is not the snipe. Problem is lag. When servers used to run just about OK, nobody used snipe, because it's trash and very easy to avoid.
Please stop saying people should dodge or block. In current laggy PvP, the first snipe you will hear or see is usually a 5th or 6th one, so no wonder people abuse it to get free kills.
Don't worry, the snipe cheese will be over as soon as the lag is fixed...
... Oh wait 😳PC - EU:
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭
this is just so wrong lol, getting sniped from STEALTH and a getting a buggy stun + desync is completely different
Do you have a video so we can watch and see for ourselves if the tell tale bow twang noise occurred? Without that we have no way to know if you got caught out of position or you were hit with the desync bud
He isnt just making this up. Spines and overload+elemental weapon are the 2 big causes of maaaasive desyncs. Its a pretty well known fact. No need for us to make a video about it.
They even name builds after it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_4ZK7eCc4
SMH
Are you leaving out leap, meteor and dizzy on purpose ? Or...is this just a nerf snipe thread??
Yes a video would tell us everything we need to know about the encounter .Again without a video we dont know if op was desynced or out of position. Facts.
U know the dsync from leap/meteor is not the one we are talking about here right? Thats the movement dsync. Snipes cause HP dsync (U appear to have 100% HP, and cant heal higher, but server decides that you have 40% HP). And idk, did you read the title/picture? This post is kinda clearly talking about snipes.
I've read the last 50 threads admitted I have a 4 star sniper and that the desync needs fixed.
A still photo doesnt give us the info needed to determine what happened. You know how I know this? Because I've had guildies play on another alliance who have hunted me down with snipe. Sometimes I died because I was out of position others were because of desync
but... I had the video as evidence so I could learn from it.
The issue here is a pic doesnt give the whole story.
Desync that leads to death is still desync and needs addressed by zos but singling out snipe when a half dozen other skills lead to goofy deaths shows bias
Why does it matter so much what happened in this exact picture? This is not a one time thing. Getting snipes like these is a some that happends alot, altough most of the time its not only snipe. Were not saying we just died here from 5 dsync snipes. We just say snipe is ***, you can spam it in the middle of a zerg while there is not much to do as a solo/smallscaler against is (you cant rolldodge 3 snipers permanently). And the skill health dsyncs like crazy. Nothing to do with this picture in particular.
Are you seriously asking why context matters?
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kendellking_chaosb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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this is just so wrong lol, getting sniped from STEALTH and a getting a buggy stun + desync is completely different
Do you have a video so we can watch and see for ourselves if the tell tale bow twang noise occurred? Without that we have no way to know if you got caught out of position or you were hit with the desync bud
He isnt just making this up. Spines and overload+elemental weapon are the 2 big causes of maaaasive desyncs. Its a pretty well known fact. No need for us to make a video about it.
They even name builds after it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_4ZK7eCc4
SMH
Are you leaving out leap, meteor and dizzy on purpose ? Or...is this just a nerf snipe thread??
Yes a video would tell us everything we need to know about the encounter .Again without a video we dont know if op was desynced or out of position. Facts.
U know the dsync from leap/meteor is not the one we are talking about here right? Thats the movement dsync. Snipes cause HP dsync (U appear to have 100% HP, and cant heal higher, but server decides that you have 40% HP). And idk, did you read the title/picture? This post is kinda clearly talking about snipes.
I've read the last 50 threads admitted I have a 4 star sniper and that the desync needs fixed.
A still photo doesnt give us the info needed to determine what happened. You know how I know this? Because I've had guildies play on another alliance who have hunted me down with snipe. Sometimes I died because I was out of position others were because of desync
but... I had the video as evidence so I could learn from it.
The issue here is a pic doesnt give the whole story.
Desync that leads to death is still desync and needs addressed by zos but singling out snipe when a half dozen other skills lead to goofy deaths shows bias
Why does it matter so much what happened in this exact picture? This is not a one time thing. Getting snipes like these is a some that happends alot, altough most of the time its not only snipe. Were not saying we just died here from 5 dsync snipes. We just say snipe is ***, you can spam it in the middle of a zerg while there is not much to do as a solo/smallscaler against is (you cant rolldodge 3 snipers permanently). And the skill health dsyncs like crazy. Nothing to do with this picture in particular.
I never understood this position you can spam anything in a Zerg. Snipe out ranges all other powers by just 7m an easier way see it that’s the max range of most melee attacks it’s something but not a lot.
If they nerfed snipe it would just be something else there’s a lot of hard hitting attacks at max range.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Atherakhia wrote: »The skill does need to change in my opinion.
I really don't have a problem with the range or really its overall DPS. Its overall DPS also can't be changed that substantially because bow is hardly competitive as it is in PvE settings and Snipe is the main spammable skill for the weapon.So any change in damage would likely make this weapon irrelevant in PvE.
In my opinion, the range and overall damage isn't the problem... it's the burst potential this skill as because it's all in one giant chunk. The range gives it significant advantage because it's hard to block and anticipate because the target may not even be in your face or even the target you're after.
I suggest changing snipe to a channeled skill and do its damage over 1 second in 3 chunks every .3 seconds as opposed to a 1 second cast time and deal all the damage at once. This will have no negative impact on the skill in PvE. It would actually be a buff given the new sets available to bow builds that could synergize better with a channeled skill instead of a cast one. In PvP it allows users to more easily anticipate the damage and act accordingly. Give bow has snares and roots too, the kit has the tools to ensure it can still deliver this damage if necessary.
In my opinion, that's the best course of action.
These are really good ideas.
I would also add that you could increase the bow damage stacks granted from the passive from like 5 to 10 in order to compensate for any reduction of base Snipe damage.
This overall would increase bow damage in PvE since the bonus would rise from 25% to 50% and it would discourage the Snipe spam lifestyle in PvP since said spammers wouldn't be able to build up their stacks while hiding in stealth.0 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StormeReigns wrote: »
I don't think you read what I said. People here are saying l2p, block etc when snipe is incoming. It's obvious, yes and used to be very easy to do but with the state of the servers at the moment, the first snipe you block on que is already 5th or 6th one, so by the time you think you dodged a snipe, you already took 30k damage but the game is kinda just sitting there, cross legged in a big wig, filing it's French tips before the damage soaked up shows on your end and boom! You got "one shot"PC - EU:
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nuttytom✭✭✭✭you can be mid 1vX, in a winnable situation, and then BOOM 3 snipes from one guy can hit you all at the same time, from stealth which causes it to be a buggy stun. Oh yes and also desnycs your health so its pretty annoying. And no other ability in the game causes this issue. The snipes can hit for 10k on a magsorc for example.1
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FakeZavos✭✭✭✭
this is just so wrong lol, getting sniped from STEALTH and a getting a buggy stun + desync is completely different
Do you have a video so we can watch and see for ourselves if the tell tale bow twang noise occurred? Without that we have no way to know if you got caught out of position or you were hit with the desync bud
He isnt just making this up. Spines and overload+elemental weapon are the 2 big causes of maaaasive desyncs. Its a pretty well known fact. No need for us to make a video about it.
They even name builds after it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_4ZK7eCc4
SMH
Are you leaving out leap, meteor and dizzy on purpose ? Or...is this just a nerf snipe thread??
Yes a video would tell us everything we need to know about the encounter .Again without a video we dont know if op was desynced or out of position. Facts.
U know the dsync from leap/meteor is not the one we are talking about here right? Thats the movement dsync. Snipes cause HP dsync (U appear to have 100% HP, and cant heal higher, but server decides that you have 40% HP). And idk, did you read the title/picture? This post is kinda clearly talking about snipes.
I've read the last 50 threads admitted I have a 4 star sniper and that the desync needs fixed.
A still photo doesnt give us the info needed to determine what happened. You know how I know this? Because I've had guildies play on another alliance who have hunted me down with snipe. Sometimes I died because I was out of position others were because of desync
but... I had the video as evidence so I could learn from it.
The issue here is a pic doesnt give the whole story.
Desync that leads to death is still desync and needs addressed by zos but singling out snipe when a half dozen other skills lead to goofy deaths shows bias
Why does it matter so much what happened in this exact picture? This is not a one time thing. Getting snipes like these is a some that happends alot, altough most of the time its not only snipe. Were not saying we just died here from 5 dsync snipes. We just say snipe is ***, you can spam it in the middle of a zerg while there is not much to do as a solo/smallscaler against is (you cant rolldodge 3 snipers permanently). And the skill health dsyncs like crazy. Nothing to do with this picture in particular.
Are you seriously asking why context matters?
No, im telling you the context of the picture doesnt matter. It wasnt a question. Snipe dsyncs, doesnt matter if thats happened in the picture or not.Why do I even try0
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