I've never seen a company that cares so little about its veteran community. These changes to perfected arena sets, their sad attempt to lower the skill ceiling. It's a slap in the face. I too have stopped playing entirely.

I mean, does anyone think they really care about veteran players leaving? The veteran players are the more educated among the player base and the more of them not playing, the less they point out all the things zos isn't doing right. If it's a small enough segment and they aren't losing out on a lot of money by them leaving, it's a win-win for them I guess. You have to admit, having a large base of players that spend a lot on crown stuff and don't know any better about the mechanics of the game is a great base for a company to have.

Nairinhe wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

I've been playing MMO's since Ultima Online in 1997 and have never heard of a game forcing players to re-acquire an item after it was changed. Maybe it's happened in some games but not in the 11 MMO's I've played in the last 23 years. Not only is it new precedence but it exhibits a complete lack of connection to your player base. That's worse than the actual change.

I'm out. ESO+ cancelled and Greymoore pre-order refund requested on Steam.

But... but... nobody takes away stuff you already have, instead you are given an opportunity to get even better stuff by doing same things

Can you please use that argument every time they nerf or buff a set? The ones we already have stay exactly the same and you need to recraft or regrind the new version. As in the case of all the dps monster sets that are getting buffed or nerfed this update.

Or have you not thought twice about that when they buff the overland set youre wearing. Or the trial weapon in your hand?

The reward for the content you have done to death has been buffed (back to worse than what it was when we first earned it btw) and you have to grind again an unknown number of times. Go.

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xaraan wrote: »

I mean, does anyone think they really care about veteran players leaving? The veteran players are the more educated among the player base and the more of them not playing, the less they point out all the things zos isn't doing right. If it's a small enough segment and they aren't losing out on a lot of money by them leaving, it's a win-win for them I guess. You have to admit, having a large base of players that spend a lot on crown stuff and don't know any better about the mechanics of the game is a great base for a company to have.

I’m not usually one to buy into theories like this, but it really does seem like they are doing everything possible to drive away the end game community. About half of the players I run with have quit over the last month, with the rest are not really interested or motivated. Greymoor appears to be an all time low for bad decisions.

Yea, I don't mean to make it sound like a conspiracy. Was aiming more for them just wanting to make the change and not caring if it ticked off a small segment of the community and why they probably didn't care. If they really wanted to target vets to force them to quit, they could do a lot more. I just think that when they want to change something that benefits casuals and hurts vets, that the reasons I was mentioned are probably why they don't care and could even see it as acceptable.

krachall wrote: »

I've been playing MMO's since Ultima Online in 1997 and have never heard of a game forcing players to re-acquire an item after it was changed. Maybe it's happened in some games but not in the 11 MMO's I've played in the last 23 years. Not only is it new precedence but it exhibits a complete lack of connection to your player base. That's worse than the actual change.

I'm out. ESO+ cancelled and Greymoore pre-order refund requested on Steam.

Star Trek Online pulled this. TSW straight up nuked everyone's characters, and forced us all to start over. Destiny 2 and Division 2 nuked player progression from the first games, and Destiny 2 required you to regrind Year 1 weapons in Year 2 for random rolls (while also culling a huge swath of the Y1 weapons), and did it again with the Armor 2.0 system, which required you to completely regrind all your armor pieces (technically excluding exotics, but the versions you pull from your collections are trash.) Hell, ESO already did this when the crag trials went from V12/V14 to V16.

I'm sure there's a lot of examples I'm not familiar with. It's not that strange for stuff to get upgraded and then not grandfather that back onto older examples.

Why waste your time on vMA perfected weapons? The bonuses are 99% useless in an optimized group and often unattainable in poorly optimized groups with players who aren't good enough for vMA.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Please give us some basic reasoning.

Theory crafters have shown that with most weapons, especially vMA staff, the difference between the perfect and imperfect weapon will be extremely small, because the best builds use the staff on the back bar. However, that is not the issue.

For me, doing vMA was very hard. Had I known of this update, I would have never farmed MA on veteran, I would have waited to do it on normal, because the imperfect weapon is so close to the perfect one. We were fools to struggle and to spend hours in the hardest solo pve challenge this game has to offer, because now, you can get 99.5% the same rewards, by doing the normal arena, which is a training ground.

Second, I can feel how annoying this update must be for those who worked really hard to get the perfected Asylum staff. The one that procs burning after the 2nd force pulse. Can you compare the difficulty and the level of effort/team work etc, between the two achievements required to get the perfected and imperfect staff of AS?

This change shows no respect towards the time people put in getting some of their gear or achievements.
Like other people have said, it seems that the leads are interested in attracting new players, forsaking the veterans which are harder to please. The game is a golden goose.

krachall wrote: »

I've been playing MMO's since Ultima Online in 1997 and have never heard of a game forcing players to re-acquire an item after it was changed. Maybe it's happened in some games but not in the 11 MMO's I've played in the last 23 years. Not only is it new precedence but it exhibits a complete lack of connection to your player base. That's worse than the actual change.

I'm out. ESO+ cancelled and Greymoore pre-order refund requested on Steam.

You don't need the new bonuses on arena weapons, as they are currently, they are too weak. Furtheemore, most arena weapons are back bar, so weapon bonuses do not carry put to front bar. I however understamd your frusteration as the new bonuses while hardly usable are still something we should have gotten as upgrade foe our hard work for completion veteran arenas. Reginding is jist disrespecting our hard work and put us with people who complain they can't complete normal arenas just because the ignore mechanics.

[Snip] They wont even increase your dps by 0.01%. They are more of a show piece for bragging rights than anything. People are so mad but ultimately the perfected vMa weapons are practically cosmetic bragging rights item.
The vMa destro gives penetration. Mag dps already have max penetration in a raid environment with 9 points in spell erosion. And it's only active on your back bar so it's virtually useless.
The vMa bow gives a bit of crit which is only active on the back bar. It might increase your dps by a few hundred at most.
What I wish they would have done is made the perfected weapons much stronger and made it so they only drop when you have a flawless run or something. At least then the work to regrind it would be somewhat justified.

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