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Can ZOS confirm if the New Moon Motif is on a 20 hour timer?
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huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »They usually wont confirm or deny these things.
I think there is ample evidence from players that there is a 20 hour timer on the motif drops that does not coincide with the chest reset.
I also missed one day of motif because I checked the chest too early. At least one other player in one of my guilds experienced the same. So just check it at the same time every day.
Yup its annoying and IMO, it should coincide with chest reset not 20 hours from last motif drop.
Would make things simpler all around in case someone gets on earlier in the day and goes through their daily rutine of writs, dailies, check the chest, etc, etc before they start playing
It already has a 100% drop rate, how much more simple can they make it?
They could set the motif timer to coincide with the chest reset timer.
As it is now you can loot the chest at 12 AM EST, get a motif and then reloot the chest at 2AM EST and you wont get a motif at 2AM, because the motif time limit hasnt expired. You have to wait until 8PM (20 hours) for the motif cool down to expire to get a second page.
They have reset these 20 hour timers to coincide with reset at 2AM EST before. Its a simple fix.
They can do it again with this.
"As it is now you can loot the chest at 12 AM EST, get a motif and then reloot the chest at 2AM EST and you wont get a motif at 2AM, because the motif time limit hasnt expired. You have to wait until 8PM (20 hours) for the motif cool down to expire to get a second page."
Ok, and the problem is? Have you ever thought of this scenario: Average ESO player has a life and therefore can't loot the box at 2am. They loot it at 6pm when they get home from work. One day they have an appointment or dinner and they can't open said box until 10pm that night. Having a 20 hour reset gives them the leeway to have a life and still maintain a timer for said items and they know that every day at 2am the box will reset.
"They have reset these 20 hour timers to coincide with reset at 2AM EST before. Its a simple fix.
They can do it again with this."
Yup, and the only people it benefited were the hardcore of the hardcore base. There's a reason they've "done it before" and they aren't continuing to do so.
How is open it any time in a 24hr period somehow superior to a rolling timer inside a fixed timed chest (that can only be looted once a day) something you feel required to defend. I seriously doubt this was intentional, a 24hr timer on a fixed reset is the most player friendly. Rolling timers reward the hardcore. The issue is the rolling timer, not the fixed ones, rolling timers are the ones that can be problematic for people who don't schedule around the game because casual players don't typically play the same schedule each day.
Put it on a fixed timer, with the chest, no problems or missed drops, just loot it once a day, at your leisure, knowing you will be able to do so again tomorrow whenever you feel like it.
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »They usually wont confirm or deny these things.
I think there is ample evidence from players that there is a 20 hour timer on the motif drops that does not coincide with the chest reset.
I also missed one day of motif because I checked the chest too early. At least one other player in one of my guilds experienced the same. So just check it at the same time every day.
Yup its annoying and IMO, it should coincide with chest reset not 20 hours from last motif drop.
Would make things simpler all around in case someone gets on earlier in the day and goes through their daily rutine of writs, dailies, check the chest, etc, etc before they start playing
It already has a 100% drop rate, how much more simple can they make it?
They could set the motif timer to coincide with the chest reset timer.
As it is now you can loot the chest at 12 AM EST, get a motif and then reloot the chest at 2AM EST and you wont get a motif at 2AM, because the motif time limit hasnt expired. You have to wait until 8PM (20 hours) for the motif cool down to expire to get a second page.
They have reset these 20 hour timers to coincide with reset at 2AM EST before. Its a simple fix.
They can do it again with this.
"As it is now you can loot the chest at 12 AM EST, get a motif and then reloot the chest at 2AM EST and you wont get a motif at 2AM, because the motif time limit hasnt expired. You have to wait until 8PM (20 hours) for the motif cool down to expire to get a second page."
Ok, and the problem is? Have you ever thought of this scenario: Average ESO player has a life and therefore can't loot the box at 2am. They loot it at 6pm when they get home from work. One day they have an appointment or dinner and they can't open said box until 10pm that night. Having a 20 hour reset gives them the leeway to have a life and still maintain a timer for said items and they know that every day at 2am the box will reset.
"They have reset these 20 hour timers to coincide with reset at 2AM EST before. Its a simple fix.
They can do it again with this."
Yup, and the only people it benefited were the hardcore of the hardcore base. There's a reason they've "done it before" and they aren't continuing to do so.
You arent getting it. Read carefully so you can understand what Im getting at.
If it reset the same time the chest reset at 2AM, it would not matter when you looted the chest as long as it was after the 2AM chest reset. You could do it at 6PM one day and get a motif, then loot it again at 10PM the next day and get a motif, then you could loot it again at 4PM the following day and still get a motif or 5AM cause you couldnt sleep. Or you know you wont be home at all the next night because you work the night shift that night so you stay up late and loot it at 1AM then again at 2:05 AM and still get your motifs. You cant do that now.
With how it is now, you have to write down the time and remember that you cant check the chest until 4 hours before the last time you got a motif because the motif has a 20 hour cooldown but you can still loot the damn chest before that 20 hours is up. You can't get a motif at 10PM one day and then again at 5AM because the 20 hour motif cooldown isnt up, yet you can still loot the chest because the chest reset at 2AM. You have LESS freedom with this system not more.
Maybe you enjoy having to remember to set a timer for 20 hours or write down when the motif cooldown is over on a sticky note on your desk so you dont forget and do it too early. Many of us live on schedules enough as it is and dont want to have to do that. There is enough grind in this game, there is no reason to make more.
.Edited by Katahdin on April 29, 2020 7:17AMBeta tester November 20139 -
kyle.wilson✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_FelipeF wrote: »Greetings,
We had to remove some posts due to violating our rules involving baiting and bashing. Please keep your posts constructive and civil. If you have any questions about the actions being taken, please take a moment to review our community rules here.
When Mods come into a forum to delete posts, could they at least try and answer the question. especially something they could look up easily like this.2 -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »"As it is now you can loot the chest at 12 AM EST, get a motif and then reloot the chest at 2AM EST and you wont get a motif at 2AM, because the motif time limit hasnt expired. You have to wait until 8PM (20 hours) for the motif cool down to expire to get a second page."
Ok, and the problem is? Have you ever thought of this scenario: Average ESO player has a life and therefore can't loot the box at 2am. They loot it at 6pm when they get home from work. One day they have an appointment or dinner and they can't open said box until 10pm that night. Having a 20 hour reset gives them the leeway to have a life and still maintain a timer for said items and they know that every day at 2am the box will reset.
"They have reset these 20 hour timers to coincide with reset at 2AM EST before. Its a simple fix.
They can do it again with this."
Yup, and the only people it benefited were the hardcore of the hardcore base. There's a reason they've "done it before" and they aren't continuing to do so.
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Let's use your own scenario though. average ESO player has a life. they loot the box at 1AM and the again at 2AM when it resets because they know they're probably not going to be able to play today. suddenly thanks to this weird arbitrary cooldown, they're the ones out of a motif that day. (in other timezones such as Europe or Australasia, this might even be more prominent due to work and such).
ironically, the current system is the one that benefits the hardcore players that are fine with scheduling exact open-box-time down to the minute. tying the cooldown with the daily reset of the box would actually benefit the more casual "has a life" players, as you call them.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on April 29, 2020 1:03PMShortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!""6 -
Radka✭✭✭The motif is not on 20 hours timer. I loot the chest every day in the morning, pretty much around the same time and I got the motif yesterday and not today...RNG.1
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Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno please-please-please, tell us! Is it timer? Is it high drop rate? How does this motif drop work?0 -
Death_Courir✭✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »ZOS_FelipeF wrote: »Greetings,
We had to remove some posts due to violating our rules involving baiting and bashing. Please keep your posts constructive and civil. If you have any questions about the actions being taken, please take a moment to review our community rules here.
When Mods come into a forum to delete posts, could they at least try and answer the question. especially something they could look up easily like this.
They could try, but if their job is only to moderate, they cant give any helpfull information about the motif problem. If it helps you, the players at the german & french forum came to the same conclusion, that it is a 20h timer, but have either no awnsers from ZOS.Edited by Death_Courir on April 29, 2020 4:45PMCP 1200+; Feierabend- und Wochendspieler mit realem Leben, Freunden und Verantwortungen; Lange dabei und trotzdem Noob!1 -
Mike0987✭✭✭Doesnt matter. If you leave the game for an extended length of time you will find the same thing I did. Motifs that you learned and recorded specific dates and times that you learned them have DISAPEARED! The same things go for such things like skyshards you picked up on specific characters. Quests that you have done are back again, etc... Not worth learning because the system from hell will forget you did 1/2 of it anyway HA!0 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doesnt matter. If you leave the game for an extended length of time you will find the same thing I did. Motifs that you learned and recorded specific dates and times that you learned them have DISAPEARED! The same things go for such things like skyshards you picked up on specific characters. Quests that you have done are back again, etc... Not worth learning because the system from hell will forget you did 1/2 of it anyway HA!
I left the game for over two years between 2016 and 2018. When I got back there were a great deal of changes, but I didn't lose one achievement, one item, or one gold piece. Either you are misremembering, or you had issues that were specific to you.2 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Opening the box at about the same time every day (between 9 AM and 12PM local time). I have gotten a motif each and every day on both of my accounts. Have always let at least 20 hours elapse since I picked it up.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points0 -
Mike0987✭✭✭Doesnt matter. If you leave the game for an extended length of time you will find the same thing I did. Motifs that you learned and recorded specific dates and times that you learned them have DISAPEARED! The same things go for such things like skyshards you picked up on specific characters. Quests that you have done are back again, etc... Not worth learning because the system from hell will forget you did 1/2 of it anyway HA!
I left the game for over two years between 2016 and 2018. When I got back there were a great deal of changes, but I didn't lose one achievement, one item, or one gold piece. Either you are misremembering, or you had issues that were specific to you.
It's one of the reasons I left the game... I had spreadsheets on everything about my characters and record of date and time of each motif and skyshard. I did this at the time because it wasnt the first time I noticed it.0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
There's a whole host of data that shows they are on a 20 hour time (much like many, many other drops in the game)
The question has been answered.
ZoS has never revealed the drop rates from refining, players figured it out.
ZoS has never revealed the formula for how master writ drops increase, players figured it out.
ZoS has never revealed the drop rates of surveys/gold improvement mats, etc... Players figured it out.
ZoS hasn't revealed that New Moon Priest motifs drop on a 20 hour timer... Players figured it out.
The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points2 -
Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on April 29, 2020 3:50PM0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on April 29, 2020 3:50PMThe Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points0 -
TheRealPotoroo✭✭✭✭✭
✭The motif is not on 20 hours timer. I loot the chest every day in the morning, pretty much around the same time and I got the motif yesterday and not today...RNG.
Actually, it is. I missed out yesterday because maintenance pushed me outside the 4 hour window and today I got motifs on both my NA and EU accounts. It's mind bogglingly stupid but it is on a 20 hour timer.PC NA, PC EU
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Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
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Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.Edited by Nairinhe on April 29, 2020 4:29PM0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
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Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.
As a math teacher myself, I can agree with that statement.
As somebody with a science degree, I also hope you weren't just told everything, you learned how to do an experiment, to test theories, ideas, try and come up with a solution. That's a part of a game, the unknown. If everything was completely known to everybody, that'd be pretty boring to me.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points1 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
[edited for baiting]
Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.
If it's in the game it's 99% of the time intentional. I'm not where people get this type of thinking.
I get the devs answer some questions but it isn't normal business for them to answer every little question.
If you need to take the time to wonder if it was intentional or not when it's the same system used for other dailies for years then you're over thinking0 -
huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
[edited for baiting]
Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.
If it's in the game it's 99% of the time intentional. I'm not where people get this type of thinking.
I get the devs answer some questions but it isn't normal business for them to answer every little question.
If you need to take the time to wonder if it was intentional or not when it's the same system used for other dailies for years then you're over thinking
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The last thing I harped on was also unintentional, or at least poorly enough thought out that they changed it for the next event. So the one thread where you and I got into it, prior to this one, resulted in them changing the existing system to reflect what was suggested so as to prevent what happened, which was players missing out on rewards because of RNG on the pieces.
Either it's clear we are never going to be friends, so I am willing to be less hostile and baiting in my responses to you, if you will reciprocate. Having looked through some of your other posts, we see eye to eye on a lot of other subjects, aside from these two threads.--- HuntGod ---
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
[edited for baiting]
Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.
If it's in the game it's 99% of the time intentional. I'm not where people get this type of thinking.
I get the devs answer some questions but it isn't normal business for them to answer every little question.
If you need to take the time to wonder if it was intentional or not when it's the same system used for other dailies for years then you're over thinking
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The last thing I harped on was also unintentional, or at least poorly enough thought out that they changed it for the next event. So the one thread where you and I got into it, prior to this one, resulted in them changing the existing system to reflect what was suggested so as to prevent what happened, which was players missing out on rewards because of RNG on the pieces.
Either it's clear we are never going to be friends, so I am willing to be less hostile and baiting in my responses to you, if you will reciprocate. Having looked through some of your other posts, we see eye to eye on a lot of other subjects, aside from these two threads.
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The quests in Imperial City have the same timer. The quests are daily reset but the strongbox is on a 20 hour reset
The arena gladiator quests in Cyrodiil, have the same timer. The quests are on a daily reset but the ruck sack is on a 20 hour reset.
This is 1000% intentional and has existed in the game for years at this point.
The last thing I harped on was also unintentional, or at least poorly enough thought out that they changed it for the next event. So the one thread where you and I got into it, prior to this one, resulted in them changing the existing system to reflect what was suggested so as to prevent what happened, which was players missing out on rewards because of RNG on the pieces.
Yup, a change that reflects the upcoming Greymoor changes, rewards for incompetence.
Did you spend all your tickets on berries? Let's reward you anyways
Are you unable to clear veteran content? Let's reward you anyways
You can see the changes reflected in the anniversary event. The people complaining about missing out on the event rewards previously were the people complaining that the rewards weren't worth anything and how dare ZOS not make them stack because all they did was get paladin style pages. After the event in 2018 with the worm cult style you'd see people walking around wearing it after they had found everything and ground the motifs out. I can't say the same for the paladin style, but what is the point when the entire player base has it. I understand it sucks to miss out on rewards for something but this is what happens when you change the system like that. Hell is paved with good intentions and nothing is going to have value if you're just given it and you don't work for anything.
Either it's clear we are never going to be friends, so I am willing to be less hostile and baiting in my responses to you, if you will reciprocate. Having looked through some of your other posts, we see eye to eye on a lot of other subjects, aside from these two threads
I don't dislike you Huntsgod, you just are afraid to be wrong sometimes.0 -
VelimOrthic✭✭✭So I finally started marking down when I picked up the box. All I had to do was wait for my online class to end and it would be the perfect time to go right to it and start working back the 4 hours. Great start, right? Especially on my birthday! Great way to start another year!
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[Edited for rude content]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on May 1, 2020 2:59PM1 -
Slyjinxy✭✭✭What difference does it make? If you don't get a motif one day you'll get it another. They're not available for a limited time are they? If that were the case it would matter but I don't think they are.
Soon people are going to complain that they have the motifs coming out there ears and no one wants to buy them. People are just too impatient.0 -
VelimOrthic✭✭✭What difference does it make? If you don't get a motif one day you'll get it another. They're not available for a limited time are they? If that were the case it would matter but I don't think they are.
Soon people are going to complain that they have the motifs coming out there ears and no one wants to buy them. People are just too impatient.
When a new motif is released, there's a lot of money to be made. The MM price starts plummeting immediately. On the first day, for example, they can go for 500k or even 1m. And so on gradually slowing down.
So the sooner you get them and the more of them you get, the more money you make.
Hopefully this will answer your questions and fill you in on whatever you're missing in terms of basic understanding.0 -
heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »They usually wont confirm or deny these things.
I think there is ample evidence from players that there is a 20 hour timer on the motif drops that does not coincide with the chest reset.
I also missed one day of motif because I checked the chest too early. At least one other player in one of my guilds experienced the same. So just check it at the same time every day.
Yup its annoying and IMO, it should coincide with chest reset not 20 hours from last motif drop.
Would make things simpler all around in case someone gets on earlier in the day and goes through their daily rutine of writs, dailies, check the chest, etc, etc before they start playing
It already has a 100% drop rate, how much more simple can they make it?
They could set the motif timer to coincide with the chest reset timer.
As it is now you can loot the chest at 12 AM EST, get a motif and then reloot the chest at 2AM EST and you wont get a motif at 2AM, because the motif time limit hasnt expired. You have to wait until 8PM (20 hours) for the motif cool down to expire to get a second page.
They have reset these 20 hour timers to coincide with reset at 2AM EST before. Its a simple fix.
They can do it again with this.
"As it is now you can loot the chest at 12 AM EST, get a motif and then reloot the chest at 2AM EST and you wont get a motif at 2AM, because the motif time limit hasnt expired. You have to wait until 8PM (20 hours) for the motif cool down to expire to get a second page."
Ok, and the problem is? Have you ever thought of this scenario: Average ESO player has a life and therefore can't loot the box at 2am. They loot it at 6pm when they get home from work. One day they have an appointment or dinner and they can't open said box until 10pm that night. Having a 20 hour reset gives them the leeway to have a life and still maintain a timer for said items and they know that every day at 2am the box will reset.
"They have reset these 20 hour timers to coincide with reset at 2AM EST before. Its a simple fix.
They can do it again with this."
Yup, and the only people it benefited were the hardcore of the hardcore base. There's a reason they've "done it before" and they aren't continuing to do so.
Rolling 20 hour timers are, imo, 100x worse than just having a daily reset. For daily rewards or writs or whatever, I can log in and collect/complete any time after 2am EST if I want to. This could be 10am or 2pm or 1am (adjust time accordingly for daily rewards). A rolling timer means I need to remember when I grabbed it the previous day. Did I get my RotW when I did writs/mount training? Did I do those things later than usual because of maintenance or real life and thus need to wait? Did I skip a day, essentially giving me leeway to open earlier than usual? Did I forget on my main and do it on an alt and if so when and which one? 20 hour timers are the worst and I wish with every bone in my body that ZoS would do away with them and put everything on a damn daily reset.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
Defanged the Devourer | Nature's Wrath | Relentless Raider | True Genius | Bane of Thorns | Subterranean Smasher | Ardent Bibliophile
vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vDSA | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+2 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA | vRGIT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME NOW, THANKS ZOS3 -
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✭It's quite humorous the number of mod snips in this thread, and no response from a ZOS employee.
The mods are the only continuously active ZOS employees on the forum, so maybe they should be equipped to handle simple questions.
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Let's not forget that you can share the Cyrodiil conquest quests, enabling you to earn more than one gladiator rucksack a day, thus making the cooldown more understandable. You also can complete them on multiple characters a day, if you so choose. So, again, the 20 hour timer for earning a proof makes sense IN CONTEXT. Since the Dragonguard supply chest can only be looted once per day per account and is not tied to a sharable quest, the secondary 20-hour timer is entirely arbitrary. It could easily be tied to daily reset without anyone able to take advantage of the rewards, unlike RotW or gladiator rucksacks.Rave the Histborn wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
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Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
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Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.
If it's in the game it's 99% of the time intentional. I'm not where people get this type of thinking.
I get the devs answer some questions but it isn't normal business for them to answer every little question.
If you need to take the time to wonder if it was intentional or not when it's the same system used for other dailies for years then you're over thinking
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The last thing I harped on was also unintentional, or at least poorly enough thought out that they changed it for the next event. So the one thread where you and I got into it, prior to this one, resulted in them changing the existing system to reflect what was suggested so as to prevent what happened, which was players missing out on rewards because of RNG on the pieces.
Either it's clear we are never going to be friends, so I am willing to be less hostile and baiting in my responses to you, if you will reciprocate. Having looked through some of your other posts, we see eye to eye on a lot of other subjects, aside from these two threads.
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The quests in Imperial City have the same timer. The quests are daily reset but the strongbox is on a 20 hour reset
The arena gladiator quests in Cyrodiil, have the same timer. The quests are on a daily reset but the ruck sack is on a 20 hour reset.
This is 1000% intentional and has existed in the game for years at this point.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
Defanged the Devourer | Nature's Wrath | Relentless Raider | True Genius | Bane of Thorns | Subterranean Smasher | Ardent Bibliophile
vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vDSA | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+2 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA | vRGIT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME NOW, THANKS ZOS1 -
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✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »I don't dislike you Huntsgod, you just are afraid to be wrong sometimes.
I mean, no I don't like being wrong, but when I am, I am usually the first to admit it. Of course we clearly have a difference of opinion of wrong in these two circumstances.--- HuntGod ---
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✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
[edited for baiting]
Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.
If it's in the game it's 99% of the time intentional. I'm not where people get this type of thinking.
I get the devs answer some questions but it isn't normal business for them to answer every little question.
If you need to take the time to wonder if it was intentional or not when it's the same system used for other dailies for years then you're over thinking
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The last thing I harped on was also unintentional, or at least poorly enough thought out that they changed it for the next event. So the one thread where you and I got into it, prior to this one, resulted in them changing the existing system to reflect what was suggested so as to prevent what happened, which was players missing out on rewards because of RNG on the pieces.
Either it's clear we are never going to be friends, so I am willing to be less hostile and baiting in my responses to you, if you will reciprocate. Having looked through some of your other posts, we see eye to eye on a lot of other subjects, aside from these two threads.
Let's not forget that you can share the Cyrodiil conquest quests, enabling you to earn more than one gladiator rucksack a day, thus making the cooldown more understandable. You also can complete them on multiple characters a day, if you so choose. So, again, the 20 hour timer for earning a proof makes sense IN CONTEXT. Since the Dragonguard supply chest can only be looted once per day per account and is not tied to a sharable quest, the secondary 20-hour timer is entirely arbitrary. It could easily be tied to daily reset without anyone able to take advantage of the rewards, unlike RotW or gladiator rucksacks.Rave the Histborn wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »You chime in to remove comments but not answer the question ffs...
some things are meant to be figured out by the players.
[snip] Then let people ask for official confirmation on this mess.
[snip]
Might as well ask for official confirmation on the mechanics for the new trial as well. Wouldn't want to have to figure anything out in a game
[edited for baiting]
Why not? It's normal to ask devs about anything in game you are unsure about. People figured out what timer supposedly is, but they are not sure they got it right and if it's intentional.
As my math teacher used to say: don't be ashamed of not knowing, be ashamed of not asking.
If it's in the game it's 99% of the time intentional. I'm not where people get this type of thinking.
I get the devs answer some questions but it isn't normal business for them to answer every little question.
If you need to take the time to wonder if it was intentional or not when it's the same system used for other dailies for years then you're over thinking
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The last thing I harped on was also unintentional, or at least poorly enough thought out that they changed it for the next event. So the one thread where you and I got into it, prior to this one, resulted in them changing the existing system to reflect what was suggested so as to prevent what happened, which was players missing out on rewards because of RNG on the pieces.
Either it's clear we are never going to be friends, so I am willing to be less hostile and baiting in my responses to you, if you will reciprocate. Having looked through some of your other posts, we see eye to eye on a lot of other subjects, aside from these two threads.
There is no other place in the game where you have an item on a rolling timer inside a fixed timer...I will almost guarantee it was unintentional and that the intent was for guys to loot this once a day and get the chest loot as well as the motif.
The quests in Imperial City have the same timer. The quests are daily reset but the strongbox is on a 20 hour reset
The arena gladiator quests in Cyrodiil, have the same timer. The quests are on a daily reset but the ruck sack is on a 20 hour reset.
This is 1000% intentional and has existed in the game for years at this point.
Have you ever actually completed the gladiator quest? Yes, you can share them but they are an account timer. So again, IN CONTEXT, this system has existed for years and it is INTENTIONAL. That is why your ZOS feedback is edits and not actual feedback. It doesn't matter how many conditions you keep adding to it or try to insinuate because it technically kinda might on a rainy day be similar to something that happened that one time.
Just stop lol0
