Roaring Opportunist - I've had the opportunity to run Kyne's Aegis 3 times and the Hardmodes once already. Roaring Opportunist has been a healer set for nearly all of those runs. It just can't provide the type of conditions that are conducive to increased personal DPS. It's a tremendously strong set with the possibility to provide the group with around 63% Major Slayer up-time when used in conjunction with Jorvuld's Guidance but the damage to utility ratio of heavy attacks is just too skewed for a true DPS character to run this set.

Starting testing some weird combos on the PTS. All of the skills you would expect Tormentor to work on does work fine. Dragon Leap is now there only AoE Taunt if using the Tormentor set. One thing though, Tremor Scale doesn't proc off the Tormentor taunts. I'm not sure if it's intended to be this way? If so, Tremor Scale needs to be reworded to say "taunt abilities". Because if I chain something while wearing Tormentor, it does get taunted. But then I need to use an actual taunt skill for Tremor Scale to fire. I would hope this could be fixed.

Also, when using Swarm Mother, the pull from the set does not taunt the monster. Which I understand should be correct because the Tormentor set does state "pull ability".

But yeah I'm liking the changes to Tormentor and Tremor Scale. It opens up new tank builds. It won't be min/max meta builds, but I've always liked building the weird stuff.

I'd rather see perfected sets of the craglorn trials personally.

Perfected AY or VO would be nice.

And vMoL. and vHof.

Though this stupid stupid set Roaring Opportunist kills war machine, master architect and lokkestiz all in one hit, so yeah, there is that.

Roaring Opportunist:

To re-iterate what some others have said. Because Off-balance lasts for 7 seconds (with a 15 second cooldown), and Roaring Opportunist has a 22 second cooldown. They line up perfectly.

Because of that, unless you time your heavy attacks perfectly, there will be some down time as you slowly move forward in the off-balance.

In a fight with adds, you can mitigate some of that by targeting an off-balanced add. But, if you're only off by 1 second, you'd actually have to wait for 15 boss off-balance cycles to get back on the boss. So that's not feasible.

Right now the theoretical max uptime for the set is 10/22 (without Jorvuld's) or 45.45%

A change to improve the playability of this set would to make the major slayer potentially last 9 seconds, but with only a 20 second cooldown. This would put the theoretical max uptime at 45%, so it stays about the same, and reward those that can manage to keep up the buff in that 2 second window that you have.

This is from one of our HM Vrol clears (other than missing one right at the beginning), this is probably close to max, with the missed one near the end due to the timer just moving forward slightly due to channel time/etc.



I main a PVE healer for most content. I've run this set. Have cleared non-HM twice, and HM twice so far on PTS.

Captain Vrol on HM with our healer using Jorvulds RO, she ran into the 1 second progression issue and missed one of the casts.

@Tannus15 hope that helps somewhat, the theoretical max uptime is something like 64%

Tannus15 wrote: »

@tmbrinks what does the major slayer uptime look like if you're running Jorvuld's? Do you have an ESO log of that?

I do not, but the theoretical would be 14/22 or 63.63%

Roaring Opportunist and Perfected Roaring Opportunist:

These sets now determine their duration based on the amount of damage done from the Heavy Attack that procced it, rather than a flat 10 second duration. The duration is determined by 1 second for every 8000 damage dealt, with a minimum of 5 seconds and a maximum of 12 seconds.
These sets no longer require you to Heavy Attack Off Balance targets.

Developer Comment:

These changes were done to help reinforce this set as a damage dealing set, and to help ensure builds who specialize into Heavy Attacks are aptly rewarded compared to those that do not.

<closes eyes and counts to ten, takes deep breath>....

IF you want this set to just be a healer set, then good job I guess, quit lying and calling it a magicka DPS set though.

IF you want this set to be a magicka DPS set as you say, then you should start listening and be willing to admit you designed it incorrectly.

The only DPS that will use this set as it is are the same ones that run Infal. Aether now even when they don't need to, and they will feel like they are doing something for the group even if a healer is running it already or a buff is coming from elsewhere like happens with IA now. Anyone that actually min/maxes will not run this set on a magicka DPS. This will make groups that are your "low APM" players, your newer players, or players that don't pay attention to the meta, (whatever we want to call it) behind the top tier groups. Not because of APM or HA/LA damage, but because of not designing something with that in mind and separating your players based on what they know of the game (end game) and what they are told of the game from you guys (not end game). Then, if it is hammered into their head like Alkosh has been by streamers that it's not a DPS set, then they will believe it so whole hardheartedly that they won't understand when they should run Alkosh as a DPS, or this magicka set. It will just become a hardcore support set no matter what to people that don't understand.

If a healer runs it, they already push spell damage up now b/c sustain is less an issue, maybe not as much as a pure DPS, but enough that it won't matter especially with not needing to worry about Off Balance window anymore. Even if they didn't get to push damage it, it won't matter much because if a healer has to HA every 8 seconds instead of 12, it's not the end of the world. So having it scale off damage done does not change much outside of tanks not needing to run it. It's still a support set first and a dps set second. (EDIT: I see from the PTS since it wasn't written fully here in patch notes, the cool down will make the uptime matter for one healer running it if they got a few seconds less uptime. I think that will simply cause it to be put onto both healers more often than a DPS unless you just have an ok dps that you don't mind doing support duties already.)

It also increases power creep more than just adding a stronger set that only effected the caster would do because if a healer runs it, then every stam can drop Lokke and run another set and still get the Lokke buff essentially and every mag that would have run this if it only self buffed won't need to b/c they will be getting it from the healer as well. Not even counting that it makes all the work players did farming for Lokke (and getting jewelry and weapons are not easy) a waste of time. (Let's stop making players hard work end up being for nothing - like the vMA changes you are pushing). Also because of how it increases power creep, you will have some players that want that power saying that this set is great. And some healers will love the option to have another buff set to run, but I never said it's not a good support set. In the end, it's only a good set if you want the additional power creep even more than usual AND if you want it to be primarily a support set.

Maybe the thought process is that only one person needs it, so even if you have less skilled/knowledgeable players in the group they will get the buff and benefit from it without having to earn it themselves or know to earn it or make the most use of it. This is a mistake. 1. It's not hard to earn the non-perfected version of these items now that you've added them to the game. and 2. it encourages players to not bother learning about these things which just feeds the problem.

What this set should do if you truly want it to be a magicka DPS set:

Keep the changes you just made, the scaling of duration off HA damage is cool, the not being tied to off-balance is good. BUT make it only apply to the caster!! and lower the cooldown since it's a self buff only. Then it's worth earning and running for all the mag-dps, it gives magDPS an option like lokke and doesn't make lokke irrelevant for stam. Makes a great set you can front bar only, etc. It would actually be a great magDPS set that way. Now it's something most will keep in the bank for an odd need and just let healers run.

Stuhn's Favor is still insane in PvP burst situations, especially for 2h builds. If we look at a set like Truth, the 5 pc bonus is about 3.5X a normal set bonus (129 wpn dmg) when hitting an enemy that is off balance, providing a large damage increase against targets afflicted by Off Balance. Stuhn's penetration bonus, even at its nerfed state, is 7X the amount of a normal set bonus when active. Truth can have a higher uptime than Stuhn's Favor, but it is still somewhat comparable as both are triggered by off balance, and Stuhn's is huge burst.

There is no other set in the game that provides anywhere near this much of a set-bonus equivalent in terms of damage potential against PvP targets. The next closest is Clever Alchemist, but that has a much longer cooldown, or Fury, which has a significant buildup (and some would argue is over-performing as well). Neither have anywhere near the raw burst potential of Stuhn's.

I actually laughed out loud at the insanity of the Roaring change.

It's not, and never will be a DPS magicka set when only 1 person in the trial can use it.

That 1 person will be giving a buff to everyone else, which means they are missing out on a 5pc bonus everyone else has to support everyone else.
By definition it's a support set.

@xaraan I agree with most of what you've said, however making it proc off heavy attacks will still make it a bad version of master architect. Without the buffs to heavy attacks, having 1 in your rotation will destroy your dps.
Compared to lokke it's an actual joke.

Which, since I'm here, why the hell is magicka running effectively a front bar set equivalent to Leviathan which is a 3rd tier stam dps set? Where is mag tzovkin? mag AY? mag lokk? Anyone?

xaraan wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

I actually laughed out loud at the insanity of the Roaring change.

It's not, and never will be a DPS magicka set when only 1 person in the trial can use it.

That 1 person will be giving a buff to everyone else, which means they are missing out on a 5pc bonus everyone else has to support everyone else.
By definition it's a support set.

@xaraan I agree with most of what you've said, however making it proc off heavy attacks will still make it a bad version of master architect. Without the buffs to heavy attacks, having 1 in your rotation will destroy your dps.
Compared to lokke it's an actual joke.

Which, since I'm here, why the hell is magicka running effectively a front bar set equivalent to Leviathan which is a 3rd tier stam dps set? Where is mag tzovkin? mag AY? mag lokk? Anyone?

Yeah, I could see doing something like adding a buff to a HA with the weapon perhaps until the re-visit HA/LA changes if that's the plan.

Which is another point. How is your build meant to "specialise into heavy attacks" when you have an entire 5pc set giving NO BONUSES TO YOUR HEAVY ATTACKS!?!?
How is that meant to work?

AND WHY IS THERE STILL SPELL PEN ON THE 2PC BONUS!?!?! IS IT SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE A PERFECTED MAELSTROM ON THE BACKBAR WE'RE OVER PEN EVEN MORE?

omg, i just can't even. :forehead:

There seems to be a glitch with the Blackrose Dual Wield set. There is a discrepancy between the spectral cloak buff that it provides and the length of which the actual skill is up. I was using quick cloak for my testing because im used to a 14 second rotation. My best guess is that it falls off on the back bar? but the difference in time between my backbar and front bar doesn't really confirm that.

Thought i'd try spell parasite as a front bar sustain set.



not good

compared to hollow fang



Hollow fang provides twice the sustain which also helps the group.
As a purely selfish set parasite needs a buff.