About veteran points...

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Is it just me or has someone else noticed that the quest rewards for veteran points is just ridiculously random?

Some quests that takes 30+ minutes to finish give around 6k while others that are done in 10-15 minutes literally gives you four times as much.

Also, a friend of mine was running around in Auridon, same as me, both VR1), did all the quests (I even did one more than he did) I had run all the solo dungeons and done two dolmen, he had also done all the solo dungeons but no dolmen and for some reason he reached VR2 before even finishing the zone while I was way behind (60k-ish). Doing more content gives less reward or what?

I really need some input on this both from other players and I really want ZOS to check this out, haven't made a bug report yet cause I've been busy tearing through the forums to see if anyone has had a similar experience, which I haven't found any evidence of.

So @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ or anyone else who catches this post, please have it checked up or verified by someone.

randomaffliction66 · April 2014

The experience you gain is fairly balanced while questing, you have to take into account all the mobs you kill while doing the longer quests. It does balance out how ever when you have to accumulate millions of experience to get to the next level it does suck. I like being able to go through the other content but to be honest they should have advertised this game including vr levels to the cap. Because it sure as hell isn't level 50 lol. I mean it gets to the point where one vr level is actually more than 50 "regular" levels of experience lol.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

The VP you get isn't balanced, especially from mobs, VR1 was around 50-100 per mob and for 456k VP needed that's pretty low, especially when a pack of three mobs in the later stages of coldharbour netted you around 2k experience.

I'm VR2 now and just slightly more than halfway through the exp bar and I'm already in Greenshade, not having an issue with killing the mobs but if I'm supposed to be able to get to VR3 before getting there, it should've happened by now. Especially considering I've done all the quests in Auridon and Grahtwood.

Not mad about it, just curious as to how and why my buddy who had done less content than me (in Auridon) got to VR2 and was 60k VP ahead of me while I had to go to Grahtwood and do 6-7 quests before even getting VR2, I can't possibly believe it's that he killed more mobs than I did because 50-100 VP per mob means he's killed 600-1200 mobs more and that just sounds ridiculous... Especially so considering that he was about 30 minutes behind me to finish the last story line quest in the area.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Since this has most likely been washed away amongst the threads about people being banned for no apparent reason I'm gonna bump it and hope for some more response ;P

otomodachi · April 2014

I'm interested to hear about this, too, hoping more people can roll in and just share their personal experiences? @Lonn87b16_ESO‌ maybe you can track some kind of tally in the OP if some people do notice this. At least it's something constructive, and the forums seem quiet right now.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

otomodachi wrote: »

I'm interested to hear about this, too, hoping more people can roll in and just share their personal experiences? @Lonn87b16_ESO‌ maybe you can track some kind of tally in the OP if some people do notice this. At least it's something constructive, and the forums seem quiet right now.

Sadly, I can't edit in a poll, which would've been nice.
But I will keep track of this post since I'm really curious about it.

Kililin · April 2014

low mob xp sucks, progress should be possible without burning out on running errands for my enemies.
probably should test AvA, but most likely it gives even less...

Atwa · April 2014

why u want all easy? OGh, later they nerf all and we come to WOW -.-

GrundelWolfe · April 2014

I really believe they need to rethink how the VR levels work. Right now, the only plausible way to level is to quest. It really feels like the VR content was just an after thought... "Oh we need some VR content? Here you can just do the other alliance's quests, and to make it "hard," we'll just make it so you don't get very much xp from anything..."

We need more than one way to level through VR's. If I wanted to "experience" the other alliance's quests, then I would have done so by creating a character from that alliance.

After reaching VR1 and doing all the cookie cutter quests, and dungeons, it gets rather exhausting to run through it all again.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Atwa wrote: »

why u want all easy? OGh, later they nerf all and we come to WOW -.-

It's not about it having to be easy, I never stated this.... Did you even read my post?

Atwa · April 2014

Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »

Atwa wrote: »

why u want all easy? OGh, later they nerf all and we come to WOW -.-

It's not about it having to be easy, I never stated this.... Did you even read my post?

Why u think that I talk about u?

Kililin · April 2014

Atwa wrote: »

why u want all easy? OGh, later they nerf all and we come to WOW -.-

I do not want anything easy, on the contrary
I just want one leveling method to be roughly equally efficient as another and not have this frigging questing (that is like WoW) shoved down my throat.

Atwa · April 2014

Kililin wrote: »

Atwa wrote: »

why u want all easy? OGh, later they nerf all and we come to WOW -.-

I do not want anything easy, on the contrary
I just want one leveling method to be roughly equally efficient as another and not have this frigging questing (that is like WoW) shoved down my throat.

and how you do it? curiosity O,o

Kililin · April 2014

If i would know that i would be happier atm
It looks like you have to grind quests, and thats exactly my point of critique.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Guys, this isn't what the thread was all about, could we please get back on topic?

Doowie · April 2014

I'm liking that it takes time to level up the Veteran levels. Personally I feel Zenimax should be banning all the VR10 players who exploited their way there and that can be found out very quickly with seeing how face their went from VR1 to VR10, which appears to be that most done it within 24 to 48 hours, which if done normally it impossible.

Anywho I don't want them to change the way the leveling process is for Veteran Ranks as I'm enjoying them

Atwa · April 2014

Ah ok xDD Yah some quests are long and you get a low exp. But well I like explore all zones too.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Exploration doesn't get you any VP but I still explore as well, making sure to get all the quests and solo dungeons.

Kililin · April 2014

Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »

Guys, this isn't what the thread was all about, could we please get back on topic?

In my opinion it is, the quest xp was left untouched while mob xp was changed.
So now you have quests that take long to complete because you have to kill mobs underperform, because the mob xp was factored in at design.
Of course that is just my theory.

I don't think XP rewards are random at all, like in giving one player other rewards than the other.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Kililin wrote: »

Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »

Guys, this isn't what the thread was all about, could we please get back on topic?

In my opinion it is, the quest xp was left untouched while mob xp was changed.
So now you have quests that take long to complete because you have to kill mobs underperform, because the mob xp was factored in at design.
Of course that is just my theory.

I don't think XP rewards are random at all, like in giving one player other rewards than the other.

But it still doesn't explain why my buddy who had done less than me in the same area got to VR2 before me.

Barthalas · April 2014

VR7 (and 47%) here to clear a bit of this up.

Killing mobs is really useless. If you can sneak past stuff you probably should. If I killed 1000 mobs that would be around 20% of my level. Not really worth it you see.
Solo/public dungeons, dolmen, aswell as skulls (world bosses) each grant a relatively massive amount of xp and should be completed in every zone.
Quests are split into "main" and side quests. The mainquests are all concerned with the completion of the zone and can be reviewed in Cadwell's Almanac (which is a tab in your quest log, similar to achievements and the eidelic memory). Main quests give a similar amount of xp to the group objectives and side quests give maybe 1/5th of the xp of the main quests.

Your friend probably just ended up doing all the skulls/bosses in the zone which catapulted him ahead of you (Completing all skulls/dolmen/dungeons usually nets around 30% of the needed xp if my memory serves me right.)

Kililin · April 2014

did he do pvp?
did he camp bugged mobs in Ondil? (they obviously count as bosses)
did he bosscamp or do dolmen and you did not?
these are 3 ideas off the top of my head

sherlock08wowb16_ESO · April 2014

I was going to make a constructive post until you mentioned you thought questing was like WoW, which made me very disappointed

p.s Questing isnt the only way to get VP.. much to learn you have young padawan

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Barthalas wrote: »

VR7 (and 47%) here to clear a bit of this up.
Killing mobs is really useless. If you can sneak past stuff you probably should. If I killed 1000 mobs that would be around 20% of my level. Not really worth it you see.

Solo/public dungeons, dolmen, aswell as skulls (world bosses) each grant a relatively massive amount of xp and should be completed in every zone.

Quests are split into "main" and side quests. The mainquests are all concerned with the completion of the zone and can be reviewed in Cadwell's Almanac (which is a tab in your quest log, similar to achievements and the eidelic memory). Main quests give a similar amount of xp to the group objectives and side quests give maybe 1/5th of the xp of the main quests.

Your friend probably just ended up doing all the skulls/bosses in the zone which catapulted him ahead of you (Completing all skulls/dolmen/dungeons usually nets around 30% of the needed xp if my memory serves me right.)

I went through all the solo dungeons, he didn't.
I did all the dolmen, he didn't do a single one.
I took out all the zone bosses, he took down one, I had also done all the quests in the zone, including sidequests, even got the achievement, he hadn't gotten the achievement, which makes me wonder how, just how, he got to VR2 before me

Skylandra · April 2014

Just finishing up at Grahtwood, got to VR-3 ( and have 3 quests left to hand in), Got VR-2 at the end of Auridon.... So far the game seems perfectly balanced from a PvE perspective. Even pre 50 I was always +/- 1 level of the quests.

I don't farm Dungeons and I explore all the map I can, achievements and skyshards.

Balancing the Xp is such an easy task, you just add up the total for the quests and associated mob kills and make sure the map gives about 5-10% More than its associated VR level.

One thing to bear in mind, people who use AoE attacks will lightly get more xp than people who focus a single target. So in Ops case that might have made a difference.

Barthalas · April 2014

Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »

I went through all the solo dungeons, he didn't.
I did all the dolmen, he didn't do a single one.
I took out all the zone bosses, he took down one, I had also done all the quests in the zone, including sidequests, even got the achievement, he hadn't gotten the achievement, which makes me wonder how, just how, he got to VR2 before me

He's either lying to you or did plenty of dungeons/cyrodiil. Simple as that. Every player gets the same amount of xp for the same stuff. If you do everything someone else did and more, you're not getting punished for it with lower xp.

EDIT: As said above mob kills hardly give any xp in Veteran Zones and can be completely disregarded unless he camped 1 spot and grinded for an hour straight (which, in the end, would be less effective than questing)

Arthur_Spoonfondle · April 2014

Kililin wrote: »

Atwa wrote: »

why u want all easy? OGh, later they nerf all and we come to WOW -.-

I do not want anything easy, on the contrary
I just want one leveling method to be roughly equally efficient as another and not have this frigging questing (that is like WoW) shoved down my throat.

Nothing, in this game, is shoved down your throat. You don't have to play it.

Kililin · April 2014

sherlock08wowb16_ESO wrote: »

I was going to make a constructive post until you mentioned you thought questing was like WoW, which made me very disappointed p.s Questing isnt the only way to get VP.. much to learn you have young padawan

I am sorry, but for me it is the same. But it should not disappoint you, it is my problem. Quests i do like are the storyline quests, all kinds of epic quests.
What i hate is running errands and collecting things, or extinguishing fires for some idiot elf standing next to the well but not touching the bucket himself.
These latter kind of quests lead to quest grinding, because of the shear mass you have to do. And i rather grind mobs, because combat is more interesting than running around, for *me*

I know that other things give VP, but it is not compareable. You can do the dungeons, World bosses, Dolmen, pvp, mobs etc.
All of them are less efficient in one way or another (respawn timers, vp/timeunit, etc.)

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Skylandra wrote: »

Just finishing up at Grahtwood, got to VR-3 ( and have 3 quests left to hand in), Got VR-2 at the end of Auridon.... So far the game seems perfectly balanced from a PvE perspective. Even pre 50 I was always +/- 1 level of the quests.

^ This is exactly what I mean.

Pre 50 wasn't a problem for me either, though, having done everything through Auridon, Grahtwood and having done two or three quests in Greenshade and I'm just barely past halfway to VR3.

Lonn87b16_ESO · April 2014

Barthalas wrote: »

Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »

I went through all the solo dungeons, he didn't.
I did all the dolmen, he didn't do a single one.
I took out all the zone bosses, he took down one, I had also done all the quests in the zone, including sidequests, even got the achievement, he hadn't gotten the achievement, which makes me wonder how, just how, he got to VR2 before me

He's either lying to you or did plenty of dungeons/cyrodiil. Simple as that. Every player gets the same amount of xp for the same stuff. If you do everything someone else did and more, you're not getting punished for it with lower xp.

He was on skype with me the whole time, and his laptop is messed up so I could hear everything he did at all times, he didn't camp any special mobs or bosses and I heard him progress through every quest that he was on.

And I also know that he hasn't even tried going to Cyrodiil cause he doesn't like PvP at all, I'm still trying to convince him about trying the PvP out in ESO.

Barthalas · April 2014

Kililin wrote: »

I know that other things give VP, but it is not compareable. You can do the dungeons, World bosses, Dolmen, pvp, mobs etc.
All of them are less efficient in one way or another (respawn timers, vp/timeunit, etc.)

First-time completion of World Bosses, solo/public dungeons aswell as Dolmen are pretty much always more efficient than quests in Veteran Zones. Respawn timers are pretty much never a problem either.

Don't have much experience with normal dungeons but apparently farming them with a good group is pretty good too. (Don't take my word on this, though)

Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »

He was on skype with me the whole time, and his laptop is messed up so I could hear everything he did at all times, he didn't camp any special mobs or bosses and I heard him progress through every quest that he was on.

And I also know that he hasn't even tried going to Cyrodiil cause he doesn't like PvP at all, I'm still trying to convince him about trying the PvP out in ESO.

Did you skip Khenarthi's Roost by any chance?

Also general information to everyone fresh into VR zones; starting VR4-5 you'll start dropping behind the zones in levels. That's normal. You're not supposed to get into the VR 10 zone with VR 10, you're supposed to get there with VR9 and get to VR10 in there.