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Anhedonie wrote: »

Damage shields were a mistake.

But tbh I don't think sorcs need another nerf. This is becoming a meme at this point.

Please read though all my points again, i don't understand how can you say this with a straight face.

Because it's true. Nerf sorc is a meme.

And all the nerfs people cry for, what do they achieve. Look how the long list of ward changes work out lol. From glass cannons to just a bit tankier with wards down thus reducing the window.

Sorcs are easy to take down, if you adapt. Same with any class really. Find their weakness.

But nerf sorc requests have been endless on this forum thus are hard to take seriously.

please try to kill a good sorcerer 1v1 on a full melee build hes just going to create gaps that you will waste
resources on closing and spamming you from range, i know nerfs are bad but they are necessary this time

Summary of OP: Please nerf all sorcs again because of (debatable) imbalances in PvP.

Response to OP: I only PvE, if you want nerfs in PvP then make them apply to PvP only. If you want nerfs to my character based on pressures that don't even exist in the part of the game I play... then no. Just. No.

How much of the mentioned toolkit you use in pve exactly? Please explain in deatail im curious now

That isn't the question your OP is posing.

What you are asking is which bits of that toolkit are you intending for other people to give up?

Especially since you don't seem to be aware of which parts are actually used. Which seems odd, as you are literally asking for changes to the play style of other people.

Im preparing a thread with nerf suggestions (defile affecting shield size, matriarch scaling from spell dmg only and hitting 1 target, streak cost increase etc...) maybe you have some helpful ideas.

I‘m sure you consider the Effect of your nerf Proposals on stamsorcs and non-pet builds, right?

D3N7157 wrote: »

Today I'd like to point out in detail why magicka sorcerer will be to go class for most FOTM players out there
soon after the new patch with the healing changes will hit live servers. Why is that a bad thing you may ask?
Im here to convince you sorc needs to be nerfed because it's in it current state way too strong compared to what
all the other specs with small exception of dedicated tank builds will become.

Let's get started:

1-Shield stacking
*a fully offensive build magicka sorcerer can now achieve easily 24k shields that inherit all his mitigation including CP and all that on top of already at aleat 20-24k health
providing the given sorcerer with a healthpool worth of a dk tank in PVE. Light armor hields still provide user with substantial amount of magicka return, but lets be honest
with the updated bonus and casttime reduction of Dark Conversion sustaining a sorcerer is not a problem, streak cost reduction improved sustain even more but ill talk about
this issue later. Effectively you can face tank and spam shields with occastional streak against 4-5 players it gets easier if they are of melee variety.

2-Full ranged capability
*the only class right now (except maybe magicka templar with force pulse, but thats a stretch with how good jabs are at the moment...) that is capable of taking down targets
from relative safety distance is sorcerer this favours the class even more now that fighting in melee range is going to become much more dramatic and unforgiving. Sorcs can just
safely utilise their burst and group healing with the best healing skill in a game twilight matriarch healing two targers for whooping 8-10k (crits almost up to 18k if you really stack a
ton of magicka, and that is on two targets remember, even magplar heals cant compete and sorc will be the to go healer in pvp should changes go live)

3-A smal zoo
*Sorcerer can easily become 5 targets instead of one without sacrificing ANYTHING and here is how:
-sorcerer himself
-matriarch
-atronach
-ball of lightning
-engine guardian

a steup like this is not somethingtoo odd to run at all and makes it almost impossible to hit the sorcerer, because hes going to BOL around and kite around his small zoo
really annoying and going to be exploited to the maximum just wait and see

4-Streak/ball of lightning, mobility
One of the strongest point of sorcerer compared to healing based classes/builds streak offers uncomparable levels of mobility at a way too low cost, sustaining this skill
has become too easy, we will see tens if not hundreds of sorcs spamming BoL creating a target absorbing projectiles (ALL projectiles not just magicka projectiles as it
used to be in the past) and granting themselves snare immunity for 2 seconds. Hello? less overloaded skills have been nerfed into oblivion in the past). The recent cost
decrease on this skill made sustaining it with the enormous gap distances you can create to spam Dark Conversion nothing, but simply a joke. This is going to become the
biggest crutch in the game really quickly and honestly vision of pvp where everyone is constantly on the run in scary. Worth mentioning is that sorc armor buff offers solid
4 seconds of major expedition should you want to kite around a rock to relive memories of the past

5-Best healing in the game
Twilight Matriarch a skill qually loved as hated by others, currently it pulls the best numbers of all burst heal skills based on offensive stats (only max magicka in this case same
as the size of the shields i think the heal should scale of spell damage so you cant have both), it also heals two targets at the same time and gets a a copy of your hardened ward
making it a lot harder to kill when not fighting a ton of people than the sorc brigade would like us all to believe... Has a DOT hitting every 2 seconds for substanital amount of damage
thankfully this was nerfed to bearable levels already and most importantly you can kite around it, when fighting 1/2 other players this is really strong, set up the rest of the aforementioned
zoo with that and you can tank a horde of zergers and if you still cant kill them just streak away who needs to die anyway.

I'm not going to get into their offensive capabilities as this is not why people will make the switch, but constant irritation because of getting nuked with gimped heals,
mixed with envy at the soon to be immortal compared to anything else will make FOTM players make the switch and it's not like this hasn't happened before in the past.
Summerset patch comes to mind, and everyone abusing rune cage to the point where it got nerfed into uselessness for a year, followed by the cast time on shields fiasco
that was a result of everyone playing sorc, then everyone complaining on forums that everyone is playing sorc, its going to happen again unless the developers act quickly now.

I'd like to invite everyone to discuss on the topic, please refrain from personal attacks and baiting in my thread.


Something weird happened with the formatting, sorry about that.

D3N7157 wrote: »

2-Full ranged capability
*the only class right now (except maybe magicka templar with force pulse, but thats a stretch with how good jabs are at the moment...) that is capable of taking down targets
from relative safety distance is sorcerer (...)

D3N7157 wrote: »

3-A smal zoo
*Sorcerer can easily become 5 targets instead of one without sacrificing ANYTHING and here is how:
-sorcerer himself
-matriarch
-atronach
-ball of lightning
-engine guardian

• wasting their whole ulti pool to cast the atronach, an ultimate which is completely worthless in most 1v1 situations,
• wasting a bar slot (for the atronach ulti) which could have been instead used for Undo (for the passive) - or for another, more useful ultimate,
• giving up the superior offensive stun from Streak to run BoL, leaving them with no decent stun to secure their burst (Rune Cage? LOL).

D3N7157 wrote: »

a steup like this is not somethingtoo odd to run at all and makes it almost impossible to hit the sorcerer, because hes going to BOL around and kite around his small zoo
really annoying and going to be exploited to the maximum just wait and see

D3N7157 wrote: »

Worth mentioning is that sorc armor buff offers solid
4 seconds of major expedition should you want to kite around a rock to relive memories of the past

D3N7157 wrote: »

5-Best healing in the game
Twilight Matriarch a skill qually loved as hated by others, currently it pulls the best numbers of all burst heal skills based on offensive stats (...)

Paralyse wrote: »

It would be helpful if ZOS could find a way to make PvP and PvE skills and effects more separate (...)
This way, they could adjust/fix problems like shield stacking and the Matriarch heals for PvP situations while not impacting the class's performance in overland, dungeons and trials.

xaraan wrote: »

If we could get zos to learn that the 1-10 dial doesn't have to one 1 or 10 and can be on any number in between, we wouldn't be so afraid of what they do when they balance.