I don't think we can get too excited until we see what sustain help they give to our magicka pool, so far what I've seen they have done nothing to directly address this, and to me is the largest design flaw when looking at pvp gameplay.

We really wont be able to make any real assessments on the changes until we see the morphs and passives.

@Qbiken is right about the stamina restore on the heal. 100% is way too high of a threshold. We are going to see very little benefit from this besides running from objective to objective.

On top of that the blanket nerf to all healing in pvp is going to be a hard pill to swallow. Werewolf was already gasping for heals and I am afraid that if they don't adjust the potency of the wolf heal all the other quality of life changes aren't going to matter.

Alucardo wrote: »

I've always had a soft spot for WW, and god knows I have tried to make it work, but it will always be trash.

Well maybe they won't be with Greymoor we will have to wait and see.

Tbh. WW currently is useless and should be buffed. But, I hope they won't get over-buffed. The thing is that WW was at some point in a great spot, where you had to build for it to work... and it was possible. You could make a build that was weaker in human form than non-ww build, but once you transformed - it was working and beneficial.

Right now it is not beneficial at all. I just hope it won't be this crazy year-long loop of buffs and ultra heavy nerfs in the end...

I mean, some of these changes are good, but WW needed sustain adjustment is several ways. Like better passive stamina regeneration and cheaper skills.

reserving most of the judgment until the full pts notes come out, but I will say that I would have rather had an execute mechanic of sorts attached to howl rather than pounce. I'm seeing Sustain issues everywhere with what little changes shown.

I mean... over 8k stamina needed for that carnage proc? that is 20% of a 40k stamina build and its on a gap closer with a time restriction?

why can't they just read the feedback thread

Nerouyn wrote: »

Greek_Hellspawn wrote: »

Why not make roar the cc of werewolf cost magicka and make the heal cost stamina? I think it makes more sense. Plus i think it would be nice to add minor vitality to the heal ability as passive, and give major brutality to another ability.

My guess / hope is that they're moving towards making WW's viable for magicka players. Which would be greatly appreciated by eg. mag wardens, who presently have about a third of a class.

Every other elite in the game scales to the highest of magicka / stamina, or health. Werewolf is the final holdout.

By making everything except the heal consume stamina, and making the heal scale to max health, it puts WWs in a good position to be viable for mag players.

eg. as is they could simply swap (when in WW form) max magicka / stamina and spell / weapon damage values for mag players.

Nah werewolf as it is now could never be used by a magicka character if you want to be competitive. Also magicka have vampire so werewolf should be stamina. Look at the new vampire most skills are magicka based, so werewolf should have all skills cost stamina or at least make the cc cost magicka not the heal which is very important if you want to survive. Speakings strictly from no cp battlegrounds experience.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

The heal giving back stamina is completely pointless. The heal cost an absurd amount of magicka and there's no way in hell that you ever want to waste your precious magicka to get a small amount of stamina back, especially when you can get more stamina back through a simple heavy attack.

And in a PvP situation you're rarely ever going to be at 100% to trigger the effect where you get stamina back. Either lower the HP value when you get stamina back, or make it trigger whenever you heal to above a certain threshold.

Came here to say exactly this, but you beat me to it. Have an agree.

On a related note: why is it so darn unreasonable for a werewolf to get a reliable heal?

Because people prefer easy kills.

I was never under the impression that Werewolf needed any offensive update or buffs.
I find most of these buffs okay, but not the execute that pounce receives. I guess it makes sense in a way. They want Werewolves to be a counter to vampires and vampires are obviously aimed at being played at low health to gain maximum potential.

Eviscerate (new spammable) deals more damage based on your missing health and gains crit chance and vampire gains damage reduction on low health. Though I feel it might be very overtuned to give it such a strong damage over time effect. And whether or not a playstyle that literally requires little more than light attack spam to deal massive dps is in need of a sustain buff, I would question as well. I do not see hircines bounties stamina restore being a useful thing anyway, so that point can be ignored.

The only reason Werewolves are reasonable right now, is that they loose alot of cheese mechanics that the classes have and some of their % damage mititgation. They need to be careful to not make werewolves tankier on top of all this damage.