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This guy must hack, otherwise....
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✭✭✭I use the same burst rotation i use on anyone else, which i can kill, but on him it didn't even do 1% dmg. That difference is beyond logic, it is the footprint of a broken system and ZOS incompetence.
When supposedly legitimate gameplay looks and feels like cheating, there's a fundamental problem with the design.
That, for example, is one of the fundamental issues with animation cancelling. To newer players it looks like cheating. Even the death recap seems to confirm it because they already know there's a cooldown on skill use. Then they come to the forums and discover that it's exploit that ZOS allows. Of course there's a total "WTF" reaction.
All these years, ZOS hasn't looked at play patterns and they wonder why they are floundering with trying to get combat under control, or trying to get PvP popular. (No, the answer isn't to give away the PvP DLC for free -- as usual, ZOS's bandaid solutions don't work because they don't want to tackle the real issues).
Edited by Dusk_Coven on April 17, 2020 1:31AM3 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yeah there's a bunch of players who can't handle any kind of real competition that do nothing but run characters through under 50 BG's just to delete them when they get to 50 and start over again. It doesn't really get much more pathetic than this.
Yep. How to be a loser even when you win.6 -
You wrote many words but said nothing.
I do not care how people level up lol. You are totally off-topic.
I haven’t played pvp yet on ESO but I am well aware of the many different tricks and exploits that people have done or use. I have played many pvp games before and the answer is always “if you can’t beat them, join them.” In Call Of Duty, if a guy is wrecking you from behind a wall because he discovered a weak spot where he can shoot you, or he’s literally inside a wall where he found a secret room that the developers overlooked, and you can’t shoot back at him, storm the castle and kill his butt, then go up and down over his dead body til you feel better and camp out. Get your kill streak and wreck his butt, then listen to him whine over the mic when he doesn’t like people doing to him what he’s done to them. Bully the bully. If you can’t, you’re not good enough. Usually it turns into the exact opposite of what you’d expect. The campers report that too many people are camping. The guy who has been leveling his characters up to 49 and then deleting after creating a new character and dropping off everything in their bank and using mommy and daddy’s credit card to buy all the skill lines and unlocking them immediately and wrecking people will report that it’s unfair that they can do all that stuff because they finally met their match.
I mean, do you even know anything about competitive gaming? We don’t stick around in low levels killing noobs except every once in awhile if we’re incredibly bored. We go after the big dogs because we are the big dogs. This is someone who gets creamed in normal competitions so he’s doing the easier option. It means he doesn’t have a whole lot of skill, but what he does is have the knowledge to do all the exploits. If there is a way to kill him, and you claim to be so great, then you’ll figure it out. Otherwise, either you’re not great enough or it’s something that is broken and ZOS will fix it, but only if you report it. Don’t report him though. That’s a noob move and unwelcome in a friendly gaming community. You’re saying “you’re better than me and I don’t like it”. If he is in fact cheating then zos will take care of it. But if while they are investigating these instances they don’t find any wrong doing and he is killable, then, well, as the age old adage goes, “Git gud, scrub”
(I’m being playful in that last remark ZOS. I hope you, the OP, doesn’t get mad about that. I promise I’m not being aggressive or trying to start any argument so there is no reason to remove anything I say, I would hope)0 -
thissocalledflower✭✭✭✭thissocalledflower wrote: »[/url]It is not about me being better. I dominate most games where there are no such morons.
My apologies, i cannot name people that do this otherwise.
Who the fudge crafts, grinds and optimizes low level chars in all gold stuff and buys skills. This is ridiculous.
@Sanctum74 you know what's ironic and rather hypocritical of you? That i'm just reading a post from August 2019 where you were attacked and bashed by several morons like this guy who do the same thing, whilst you were defending people like me.
You even claimed leveling through BG's should not be allowed as soon as you hit 50.
My build is fine and i know how to play, again, i rek most normal matches.
These dudes don't even bother to block because of how broken their gear must be.
"name shaming"...all of the players that do this should be name shamed. This practice of twinking hard should be impossible to do. They should just make the pvp sets that drop from the boxes to be the only ones you can gear up in BG's with. And no *** gold, that's ***.
And i even see them not having amazing skill, at all. Maybe they don't try because of the gear and when you are immortal you dont need to dodge and block.
In any case, this is ridiculous and destroys any fun in pvp for leveling people.
Sour grapes is all i am hearing. I could go make some leveling gear hop into banished cells with all the cp i got and solo it at level 6 (after finishing crafting certifications) and come out level 9 or maybe 10 then queue for a random normal and come out of that level 16 or 17. If you dont wish to do the same that's on you. Play how you wish just like they are playing how they wish. Trying to say it's ok for you to play how you wish but that everyone else has to play by your rules is what's hypocritical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS2S1s716R8
You wrote many words but said nothing.
I do not care how people level up lol. You are totally off-topic.
It's an analogy. I do something with my cp and exp that might not be apparent to a new player and they might think i am cheating because they dont understand it.
You know what i run on one of my healers? BSW and Mothers sorrow. I tried to explaing to a newbi that this was a healer i was running and they thought i was a fake healer because i wasnt running sanctuary and white gold tower AND i was doing a lot of damage on top of the healing and then she got mad and reported me for not playing my role (as she understood it) and said she hoped i enjoy my one week ban. The ban never happened btw. She was just having sour grapes because she didnt have enough experience to understand.
Just like you dont have enought experience to understand how someone else has a value system different than yours and demands everyone around you comply with your value system. We dont have to and we wont. We can play as we want. Just like the guyyou are complaiing about can play like they want. Doesn't suit you? Then move along. Nothing to see here. We dont have to play how you want us to.
Have a wonderful dayAfter careful consideration (and oh! so much deliberation) we have concluded that you circumstance sounds too much like a l2p issue for it to be just a mere coincidence.1 -
Xologamer✭✭✭✭Hello everyone,
I see this guy in under level 50 BG's that is a stam warden who cannot be killed, and I mean it. He gets close to zero damage.
On the other hand, he will use bugs, shield chard and burst combo with shield bashes. He doesn't even use a 2h.
How can this level of tankyness and broken dmg be possible in under lvl 50 BG's? You don't even have the sets that can make bash so broken.
I mean, yeah you can, but it is impossible to keep up with it because you level so fast.
I have screenshots of his name and everything, because I'm not really a noob and what this guy does is inexplicable.
ok simple question: are u a pvpler with equip? if no u dont need to wonder
there lots of pvper playing low lvl pvp to lvl up chars etc and they are good and have sets (e.g. i had a bg wit ha stam sorc a week ago there i had about 40+kills and no death)0 -
Relladen✭✭
This is where you went wrong. As long as he has the appropriate gear for his level, he can be super tanky while dealing massive damage. It's 100% not impossible like you're suggesting. Just because he has a good build and knows what he's doing doesn't mean he's hacking.I mean, yeah you can, but it is impossible to keep up with it because you level so fast.2 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just wanted to point out that lowbies that purchase skill lines still need the skill points to do so.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Just wanted to point out that lowbies that purchase skill lines still need the skill points to do so.
Which can also be purchased via Skyshard packages in the Crown Store. The convenience of one-stop shopping.3 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭He is pretty certainly not cheating xD
I know him from below level 50 PvP. He has been playing there for quite some time and i suppose he got (just like me and quite a few others) good gear for every char for every about 5 lvls weapons likely gold for every 2 lvls and he grinds all of his chars so theyre ready to pvp on before he starts pvping on them.
It has nothing to do with cheating, but is just that he got better gear, more experience and a skilled char that is just way stronger than yours.
Abusing battlescaling is considered skill now?
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Anyone who rerolls sub 50 is a meme by default.
Edit: To OP, there´s a mechanic in the game called battlescaling which makes anyone below CP 160 scale to CP 160. You can somewhat "manipulate" this mechanic (through wearing appropriate leveled golded out gear every 2-5 levels) to gain stat advantages that even a fully leveled cp 810 player would be jealous off. It´s not an exploit or anything, but it´s abuse of an overperforming mechanic.
Defending battlescaling (which is one of the more broken and abusive mechanics in the game) is pathetic and the people who abuse it even more so.Edited by Qbiken on April 17, 2020 8:37AM5 -
Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭4k bashes in pvp ? He has to do 10k+ bash out of pvp which is completely broken lol...0 -
Xologamer✭✭✭✭He is pretty certainly not cheating xD
I know him from below level 50 PvP. He has been playing there for quite some time and i suppose he got (just like me and quite a few others) good gear for every char for every about 5 lvls weapons likely gold for every 2 lvls and he grinds all of his chars so theyre ready to pvp on before he starts pvping on them.
It has nothing to do with cheating, but is just that he got better gear, more experience and a skilled char that is just way stronger than yours.
Abusing battlescaling is considered skill now?
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Anyone who rerolls sub 50 is a meme by default.
sure cause everyone could do it so dont see the problem0 -
Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭How sad and pathetic does someone have to be to go to the below level 50 campaign just to beat noobs.8 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This thread is a classic illustration of why the "no naming and shaming" policy is in place.5 -
thissocalledflower✭✭✭✭How sad and pathetic does someone have to be to go to the below level 50 campaign just to beat noobs.
I dont htink they are sad or pathetic. i think they have found their niche play style...After careful consideration (and oh! so much deliberation) we have concluded that you circumstance sounds too much like a l2p issue for it to be just a mere coincidence.2 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭justaquickword wrote: »All points into health. It's not hard to do with a warden using the frost skill line. Even a fat fingered potato like myself can manage that.
It's annoying but you see this in Cryodiil too. Wardens block casting heals, purges and some damage. Usually 2 to 4 in a raid, depending how big the group is.Edited by starlizard70ub17_ESO on April 17, 2020 12:56PM"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."1 -
MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭My stam den werewolf build in o o was untouchable. I got emp at level 23 on it. I could easily knock out 20-25 kills in a BG, it was broken
It’s rubbish for pve though 😂0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭thissocalledflower wrote: »
That's like saying 20 year olds, who go and beat up children in children's playgrounds, have found their niche fighting style.5 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah there's a bunch of players who can't handle any kind of real competition that do nothing but run characters through under 50 BG's just to delete them when they get to 50 and start over again. It doesn't really get much more pathetic than this.
What on Earth is this nonsense? How is U50 any less competitive than CP? Explain?
Everyone is in the same environment, its PVP. Competitiveness therefore isn't diminished depending on U50 or CP, only the parameters everyone is working with, its still PVP either way. In fact, arguably, U50 is MORE competitive, because everyone is more equal, you don't have players spread across 1 - 810 CPs, everyone is within about 40 levels of each other!
If what you refer to is a mistaken belief that U50 is only the domain of brand new players, you are simply wrong. In any given BG or Cyro, there will only be a small percentage of actual brand new players. Also, once you do get to level 50, you don't magically become experienced and proficient just because you are now CP - entering CP BG or Cyro you will encounter exactly the same environmental factors... players who are better, more experienced, better geared, than you.
I regularly play both U50 and CP. There is very little discernible difference in the standard of game play. Its just as competitive either way.Edited by Grianasteri on April 17, 2020 2:12PM2 -
thissocalledflower✭✭✭✭thissocalledflower wrote: »
That's like saying 20 year olds, who go and beat up children in children's playgrounds, have found their niche fighting style.
No it's not. The game is marketed to play how we want. Thats how they want to play. They decided whats impoortant to them and progression isn't what they are in to. Doesn't suit you, so what. Their play style only needs to suit them.
Go play how you wish.After careful consideration (and oh! so much deliberation) we have concluded that you circumstance sounds too much like a l2p issue for it to be just a mere coincidence.1 -
Irfind✭✭✭✭✭sure cause everyone could do it so dont see the problem
Hm maybe, just maybe it drives new players away from PVP ? Or they go to cyro and develop to zerglings
PC EU no CP PVPEP Irfind - Stam NB DunmerEP Iswind - Mag Warden DunmerEP Ko'runa Silberklaue - Mag Temp KhajiitEP Eldrid Hagal - Mag DK DunmerEP Feyne R'is - Stam Sorc Dunmer ...with BowEP Wynn Loraethaine - Mag NB DunmerAD Runare Loraethaine - Stam Sorc AltmerAD Skadi Hagal - Stam DK Khajiit2 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭He is pretty certainly not cheating xD
I know him from below level 50 PvP. He has been playing there for quite some time and i suppose he got (just like me and quite a few others) good gear for every char for every about 5 lvls weapons likely gold for every 2 lvls and he grinds all of his chars so theyre ready to pvp on before he starts pvping on them.
It has nothing to do with cheating, but is just that he got better gear, more experience and a skilled char that is just way stronger than yours.
Abusing battlescaling is considered skill now?
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Anyone who rerolls sub 50 is a meme by default.
Edit: To OP, there´s a mechanic in the game called battlescaling which makes anyone below CP 160 scale to CP 160. You can somewhat "manipulate" this mechanic (through wearing appropriate leveled golded out gear every 2-5 levels) to gain stat advantages that even a fully leveled cp 810 player would be jealous off. It´s not an exploit or anything, but it´s abuse of an overperforming mechanic.
Defending battlescaling (which is one of the more broken and abusive mechanics in the game) is pathetic and the people who abuse it even more so.
Where did i ever defend battlescaling though? I said that he is more experienced and that his char got all the skills he needs.
The only thing i mentioned that actually involves battlescaling at all is the better gear (which is for most low level pvp builds ofc built with battlespirit in mind and would because of that sometimes not work in vet).
But i completely agree that battlespirit is very strong (mby even too strong) and that it just gets rid of flaws in your build very easily cuz your dmg and sustain is way better than it should be.PC/EU, StamSorc Main0 -
kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭Haven't logged on my twink in a while, but this thread really makes me want to go in there and destroy these complainers. lolPS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc0 -
tim99✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Yeah there's a bunch of players who can't handle any kind of real competition that do nothing but run characters through under 50 BG's just to delete them when they get to 50 and start over again. It doesn't really get much more pathetic than this.
What on Earth is this nonsense? How is U50 any less competitive than CP? Explain?
lol come on, if you like killing newbies so much that you do it over and over again its your choice of gameplay and noone can forbid that, fine. but pls dont pretend to do it for competision. you know very well like every other person in the world that 99% wont even wear complete sets, maybe even have free gear slots, no passives and most likely gear with training trait which is totally outdated. for example i have one lvl-5 gear in training trait in my bank which i use for every twink until he is lvl 50.
i never did bg<50 (thx god after reading this here) but i think someone has to be a real looser in the rest of the game or in RL to like killing new players and people who just want to level up and use the daily random reward in green or blue non-set-gear so much, that you golden out lowlvl gear and delete twinks after they are 50 (lol for real.... think about, you level to 50 and DELETE the char just to restart *rofl* whats even the point of this, i mean sure, you newbie-enemies in that bg's think you must be a god, but the rest of all players propably just laugh about you).
Yeah so what i wanted to say, do it if you are able compensate something with it, but DONT say its for competition.
stand your ground for the fact, that killing unprotected players in your golden gear over and over and over gives you satisfaction.
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✭Grianasteri wrote: »What on Earth is this nonsense? How is U50 any less competitive than CP? Explain?
Everyone is in the same environment, its PVP. Competitiveness therefore isn't diminished depending on U50 or CP, only the parameters everyone is working with, its still PVP either way. In fact, arguably, U50 is MORE competitive, because everyone is more equal, you don't have players spread across 1 - 810 CPs, everyone is within about 40 levels of each other!
If what you refer to is a mistaken belief that U50 is only the domain of brand new players, you are simply wrong. In any given BG or Cyro, there will only be a small percentage of actual brand new players. Also, once you do get to level 50, you don't magically become experienced and proficient just because you are now CP - entering CP BG or Cyro you will encounter exactly the same environmental factors... players who are better, more experienced, better geared, than you.
I regularly play both U50 and CP. There is very little discernible difference in the standard of game play. Its just as competitive either way.
Look, this conversation's old...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459609/two-issues-in-under-50-bgs
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/8tpoqe/people_who_play_under_50s_battlegrounds_in_a_full/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/306130/discussions/0/1620600279658482348/
I don't have time nor do I care to explain the concepts of sportsmanship and integrity to someone who thinks that exploiting a specific game mode that's intended to introduce newer, less experienced players to the game = competition.
Clearly, you're part of the problem.
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