Its not hard to learn and then practise your rotation on a dummy once a day for a few days.

Easy peasy

0 time is required. Just spam your left mouse button or push it inbetween each ability?

Don’t weave. Be a tank or healer.

Isn’t there more to it than just standing in the same spot pressing LA-skill though with bar swapping to get other buffs/dot/aoe damage?

Obviously you need a rhythm to combat but under real duress you need to block, bash, roll and move around with your targets. You can train yourself to click the buttons in order all day long on a dummy but when targets start moving and fighting back it’s a different story. It seems to me LA-skill is just one of the tools you need in your toolbox, but timing awareness and quick thinking are also required to do well.

Obviously we all improve at a different rate and come into that game with varying levels of experience from other games so unlearning some habits or using similar variants from what you already know affects to overall learning curve as well.

Edit - I am on console myself so a different game experience than PC which makes the game experiences vary widely because of how the controls work from game to game. Every game for me is a 2-3 day adjustment period and I can’t play 2 games at the same time or I get my fingers all crossed up!

Light Attack + Skill
Here, you are now able to light weave.


Bonus tip:
Hold heavy attack, once the blade is behind your back, press Wrecking Blow.
You're now able to heavy weave WB.

Long enough to give myself RSI.

Juhasow wrote: »

It's not even required to "get good at weaving" to clear all content. When people fail to complete certain content it's usually because they fail at mechanics and group coordination. We've reached the point where DPS required to clear everything is achievable with pretty basic and easy to learn rotations.

And btw light attack weaving is not everything when it comes to reaching high DPS numbers. Ability cast ratio is more important. For example person with 0,75/sec LA ratio and 0,95/sec ability cast ratio will usually have more DPS then someone with LA and ability cast ratio of 0,85/sec.

Very good answer.

Depends on the rotation. On a stamplar, weaving in between biting jabs requires a different timing than weaving in between force pulse casts on a magdk. I generally find it easier to weave on mag toons though, because I have a better 'feel' for staves. Fire staves though: lightning staves I hate because they love getting bugged and stuck in animation.

That being said it usually only takes me about 2-3 parses to get into the upper .80's ratio of LAs. But if aiming for anything above .90 la/s, it usually takes me a few hours spread across several days.

I feel that true weaving only works for trials and dummy humping. Otherwise youre moving too much to keep that rotation in discipline. Also, if youre on console its nearly impossible to keep the rotation moving smoothly.

akdave0 wrote: »

I feel that true weaving only works for trials and dummy humping. Otherwise youre moving too much to keep that rotation in discipline. Also, if youre on console its nearly impossible to keep the rotation moving smoothly.

Yeah bar swaps are rotation killers but it’s easy enough to always press the trigger before hitting any skill. I play on XB1 so I put a spammable on RB. I find the X button is better for my second atk skill. I use B and Y for the skills with longer cast time or uptime and LB for an additional support skill for sustain or additional damage. It’s a layout that works for my hands and an easy rhythm to maintain. The hardest part is keeping my buffs up during the longer more intense battles.

Back bar is a slightly different layout which I use to weave heavy attacks and recover rss because I can blow through my front bar on those long fights. Where many use potions to keep rss up I use a second bar with HA to recover.

Learn to click in between skills.....not that hard.

I know its different for some people but its really not as hard as people make it seem. Don't let people scare you away by saying it is either. When I first started practicing my rotation I was under the impression it was gonna take a long time to master but I had it down fairly quick. I recommend ignoring your DPS numbers at first and focus on getting your rotation down. Once you have a good grasp of the rotation then start adding you LA or HA weaves and keep practicing until you see your numbers go up.

As for completing all content in the game you really don't have to worry about "perfecting it" unless you're looking to do any of the vet DLC trials and even then those are mostly mechanics anyway so a few mistakes in your rotation won't affect it too much. Everything else is a cake-walk once you get your rotation down. In my opinion and I know others may disagree but 30k dps should be more than enough to effectively participate in anything the game has to offer and I am speaking from experience.

Weaving is a myth.

Agenericname wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

its different for every person. because it is dependent on your reflexes, sense of timing and rhythm, connection including latency, how quickly if at all you develop muscle memory, whether you are able bodies.. heck even individual age can contribute.

there will always be someone who will get it right away, someone who will get it with some practice, someone for whom it would take far too much practice to justify spending THAT much time on a video game and someone who will not be able to learn the execution at all.

as for post above claiming that you don't need it to clear content? false. you do. because even though mechanics are paramount, there IS a minimum requirement of damage that must happen in order for the boss to die before the group gets overwhelmed. being really good on a target dummy is not enough, but you still need to be able to deal a certain amount of damage WHILE executing mechanics. for harder content in the game - its not one or the other. its both.

What content exactly has a minimum damage threshold so high that it requires good weaving to clear it?

DLC vets, DLC vets HM for sure, some of the of the old later vet HM, all of the non craglorn trials on vet and above. and honestly, from personal experience - DLC normals while may not exactly require it, are unnecessarily tediously difficult if you cannot do it.

before you start "its not required" you need to do a certain minimum of damage, while doing mechanics for all of the above. heavy attack builds do not tend to cut it (not mobile enough), even when you are playing some cheese build that only works for a specific class and god help you if that's not the class/race combo you play. you can get carried by someone who can weave and makes up for the damage you are not doing - yes. but here is another little factor. good luck finding a guild that doesn't have minimum damage requirements for their vet runs. as another post above pointed out - what is numerically required and what people ask for are not the same thing.