How much time commitment is required to "get good" at weaving - being good enough to do all content.

Knowledge

Drako_Ei

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Once a veteran friend told me that you could light attack, and instantly cast a skill, and you should do it every skill, i could do it right away

Runefang

It's hard to get to that level and maintain a job

If you expect to see the sun again then I suggest you pick another game or stick to ERP.

Icy_Waffles

2 hours a night on a target dummy

Spend a couple hours on a target dummy. Don’t worry about dps. Don’t rush. Just light attack skill.

Juhasow

It's not even required to "get good at weaving" to clear all content. When people fail to complete certain content it's usually because they fail at mechanics and group coordination. We've reached the point where DPS required to clear everything is achievable with pretty basic and easy to learn rotations.

And btw light attack weaving is not everything when it comes to reaching high DPS numbers. Ability cast ratio is more important. For example person with 0,75/sec LA ratio and 0,95/sec ability cast ratio will usually have more DPS then someone with LA and ability cast ratio of 0,85/sec.

Vevvev

20 minutes on a target dummy

Twenty minutes sounds about right. That's how long it took me when I got a hold of the Imbue Weapon skill before I learned how to weave. It requires light attack weaving to even work, which helped me get better at the game.

eso_lags

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Xologamer

20 minutes on a target dummy

Knowledge wrote: »

its rly rly rly simple : spam perma ur la hotkey than inbetween u press 1-5 for skills its not hard....

ATreeGnome

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How long it takes to learn weaving is obviously going to vary from person to person. That said, I'm tired of hearing this narrative that content in his game requires light attack weaving to clear. The only DPS check that might actually require it is vSS Navi HM. You can clear everything else in the game without light attack weaving if you have a reasonable build, rotation, and do mechanics correctly. I've noticed that there seems to be a very strong correlation between players who complain about light attack weaving and those who don't take the time to learn trial or dungeon mechanics. Light attack weaving makes things die faster but it doesn't magically make everything else in the game irrelevant.

FakeFox

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There is really not a lot of reason to practicing it specifically on a dummy. Just play the normal content and practice there, you don't need to be good at weaving to play any of it to begin with, so growing with the content is a lot better then just doing dummy parses as a weaker player.

SshadowSscale

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For me jt judt happened naturally due to the fast pace of combat in pvp..... And yes animation canceling/light attack weaving does indeed carry over from pvp and I would expect it to work the other way around tok...... But if it does ot come naturally I would say maybe spend 10 minutes a day on a target dummy just light attack skill light attack skill...... Also try to do it even whilr questing because it gets you into the habit of doing it..... Eventually it will become second nature and you will do it without realizing

Linaleah

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its different for every person. because it is dependent on your reflexes, sense of timing and rhythm, connection including latency, how quickly if at all you develop muscle memory, whether you are able bodies.. heck even individual age can contribute.

there will always be someone who will get it right away, someone who will get it with some practice, someone for whom it would take far too much practice to justify spending THAT much time on a video game and someone who will not be able to learn the execution at all.

as for post above claiming that you don't need it to clear content? false. you do. because even though mechanics are paramount, there IS a minimum requirement of damage that must happen in order for the boss to die before the group gets overwhelmed. being really good on a target dummy is not enough, but you still need to be able to deal a certain amount of damage WHILE executing mechanics. for harder content in the game - its not one or the other. its both.

ShawnLaRock

20 minutes on a target dummy

It literally only requires you to just get a rhythm by pressing 2 buttons.

Watch Doomaflitchy’s video. It’s super simple

S.

XellJarmar

20 minutes on a target dummy

I play around 250~300 latency in average. Using Logitec wireless keyboard and mouse. As a casual player, I heard of some weaving stuff before, but never deeply dived into the concept til recent days (the day when ZOS proposed LA / HA changes). Honestly, I tried my dps on the target trial dummy that day for the first time. At the first attemp, I recorded around 20k dps. With some good rotations out there, dps went up to 44k. After some practicing, it hit 50k under half an hour. Then I moved to PTS with LA / HA changes there, and hit over 62k thanks to the gold gears. To me, starting with weaving is not that difficult stuff. If you are to hit over 80k dps, that'll surely take some time. But... would you need that high dps to clear all contents? I doubt...

colossalvoids

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Well you don't actually need to weave at all for a clears, primarily you need to know mechanics like everyone else, situational awareness to reactively/proactively block/dodge, learn how to properly stack in certain cases and have good uptimes on your dots and actually cast skills and not slack around.

Weaving alone is surely just a marginal part of your contribution but if it comes only to that for you it's different for every player. For me it was easy to grasp and pretty intuitive but some people i helped had a pretty hard time even after hours of explanation and practicing. Anyways it's not days for sure, but perfecting takes more time than learning so the more you play (or dummy parse?) the faster you'll get there.

And lol at maintaining your job option, everyone works and have families, it's not a problem in a slightest.

StormeReigns

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Exactly one youtube video.

Septimus_Magna

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Weaving is not something that can only be learned on a target dummy. Its useful to get an understanding of the mechanic and feeling for the timing but you dont need to bore yourself in front of a target dummy for days.

Just do the pledges as DD and focus on weaving, its useful to get an add-on like Light Attack Helper to track how many LA/seconds you're doing.

The target dummy is useful to learn your rotation but once you know that just practice weaving while doing content.

WiseSky

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If you did not start at the age of 3 like Messi you wont ever join the big leagues

Glurin

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Time is not the issue. What is important is repetition. Ten thousand weaves should do it.

Seriously though, it just depends on how long it personally takes you to get the rhythm down, along with adjustments for things like fluctuations in latency.

As far as what's technically required for most content, LA weaving simply... well...isn't.

But do a parse with weaving and one without and you will see that there is a significant difference. And as most people know even if they don't want to admit it, what is technically required and what is community required very rarely synchronize.

MartiniDaniels

Several days of practicing on a target dummy.

Poll is incorrect. LA weaving is part of your rotation. So it's learning about how to maintain your rotation with buff/dots uptimes close to 100% and 0.9+ rate of LA/abilities used per second on subconscious level, so you can execute this rotation under heavy fire and one-shot mechanics.

Casul

Spend 2 hours actually slowing down and keeping rhythm. It's really not that hard. I've already taught a few people and they managed to break 30k on 3 mil. Just slow down.

Kadoin

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You're either good, or you're good...

yRaven

20 minutes on a target dummy

For me it was that... but really...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gOsM-DYAEhY

daemonios

20 minutes on a target dummy

It's muscle memory. It's not complicated to do LA -> skill -> LA etc. And you don't have to be absolutely perfect to do all content. If you can grasp the basics of weaving AND you can follow mechanics, you're good to go.

kathandira

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Practicing on a Target Dummy is one thing, but doing it while working mechanics, and chasing around enemies is a totally different thing. PC has the advantage of having Add Ons to see their DPS, but on Console, you will have absolutely no idea how good you are doing in a real fight.

Did everyone survive?
Did the boss die?

Grats! You and your team are good enough to complete the content!

Agenericname

Linaleah wrote: »

its different for every person. because it is dependent on your reflexes, sense of timing and rhythm, connection including latency, how quickly if at all you develop muscle memory, whether you are able bodies.. heck even individual age can contribute.

there will always be someone who will get it right away, someone who will get it with some practice, someone for whom it would take far too much practice to justify spending THAT much time on a video game and someone who will not be able to learn the execution at all.

as for post above claiming that you don't need it to clear content? false. you do. because even though mechanics are paramount, there IS a minimum requirement of damage that must happen in order for the boss to die before the group gets overwhelmed. being really good on a target dummy is not enough, but you still need to be able to deal a certain amount of damage WHILE executing mechanics. for harder content in the game - its not one or the other. its both.

What content exactly has a minimum damage threshold so high that it requires good weaving to clear it?

relentless_turnip

20 minutes on a target dummy

OP is a bit vague, to weave you can learn in 30 secs... It takes longer to make it a natural thing you do before every skill. If you are talking about a rotation that will obviously take a lot longer.

Rikumaru

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Took me a couple of minutes back when I didn't know the game very well to learn how to weave with LAs, medium weaving and heavy weaving in duels. Not really sure whats so difficult about it to be perfectly honest, you just press one button and then another quickly after pressing the first.

Starlock

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I don't know and I don't care. Frankly, more players of this game need to "get good" at creativity, character design, and proper outfitting.

Charon_on_Vacation

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depends on the person.
just learning the timing of LA on one rotation doesn't take very long, mastering it (above 80% LA rate in combat situations) takes a bit longer.
learning the timing of your LA on all your skills/rotations over multiple characters/builds does take some time.

BloodMagicLord

20 minutes on a target dummy

You can literally spam left click and it works unless your framerate is abysmal.