quester immunity

Major_Lag · April 2020

Nestor wrote: »

There is a Telvar Gathering Tank Build out there. You are basically unkillable, although you can't really do any damage.

Wait, so how do you actually farm telvar like that if it takes forever to kill even the lowest tier trash NPCs? In a 24 man group?

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

They won't change it because you are fodder.

If PvE players stop going into Cyrodiil then the gankers will have to target PvP players, not such a lucrative proposition... particularly if you can't just hide out around quest centres, waiting for unsuspecting players to turn in their quests.

Lol, nice try. For sure, Cyrodiil gameplay very heavily revolves around the towns

/s

The fact is, outside of certain events you are totally wasting your time by camping the towns hoping to gank questers. Also you are quite unlikely to experience any "quality" PvP that way, either.
Even as a ganker, there are much better fights to be had at and around the actual contested objectives - for example, ganking arriving reinforcements.

barney2525 · April 2020

Let's see... what's the right word... sympathize? no... I think empathize. I empathize with ya.

But you have to explain why you are asking the players in a PvP area, should Not be allowed to PvP the enemy ?

I'm pretty sure... that would pretty much bring an end to PvP in this game. And although I don't participate, I think it would be bad for the game to take away the PvP area.

IMHO

Lysette · April 2020

I'm not doing pvp - but I see it like that - cyro is a war zone, and the whole purpose of a war is to take out the enemy wherever you possibly can. Of course one can be gracious with civil people, but then again, who says, they are harmless, they might just be not. Who can guarantee, that if you leave someone alone, that he is not shooting you in the back when you turn away?

It's war there, just don't expect to be left alone there.

xxthir13enxx · April 2020

Look on the bright side...

Once in awhile those gankers jump someone they assume is a PvEr doing the quests...but they discover to late that they are oh sooo wrong....lol

laksikus · April 2020

its a pvp zone.
if you dont want to do pvp, dont come to cyro.

there are way more daily quests outside of cyro, than you can actually do with the daily quest limit

CMDR_Un1k0rn · April 2020

OP, would I be correct in suspecting you're going to Cyrodiil in your PvE setup?

If so, that is a mistake.

For a start, impen on your full armour is basically mandatory for most player's builds.

You also need to be able to sustain all of your resources. If you can't, you will die.

Nobody in Cyrodiil owes you a free pass. In Cyrodiil, everyone is quite literally content for other players.

Fortunately Cyrodiil PvE is easy. As is Imperial City.

Both are made for PvP-orientated characters, and the mechanics are pretty basic, even compared to base-game dungeons. I cleared every sewer boss in IC today. Molag Bal ghost included.

All on a PvP build.

Cyrodiil quests are also extremely simple, mechanically. They too can be done on a PvP build.

Acknowledging this fact is why I was able to solo into enemy sewers, collect all the IC Skyshards, live.

Mostly. There was one guild of DC players the day before who decimated me. And I did die to a sewer wanderer boss today.

Other than that though... It's fine.

Yes, you will die sometimes. We all die in PvP as well.

Universe · April 2020

I have a rule when I quest in towns during special events.
I don't attack the questers.

Though if they attack me or other AD players or the flag guardians they are toast!
If by any chance you attacked the poor NPCs guarding the flags, you deserve what you got.

Also, as others have posted it is a PVP zone and everyone can kill other alliance players for any reason at any time...
I only make an exception in special circumstances(like special event) because I'm respectful but any other time I kill the enemies on the spot!

GeorgeBlack · April 2020

You know you can learn to fight back, right?
"quester"...
The audacity

dem0n1k · April 2020

There have been a ton of threads on this subject before & ZOS have stated that the town quests in Cyrodiil are made so simple because it was intended that there would likely be some PVP opposition during the questing.

I assume you are questing during the jester festival in Cyrodiil to get boxes quickly as the quests are simple & can be done very quickly. If the zone is mostly empty, this will be very time efficient. The risk of PVP opposition though will make it less so... that's the choice you have to make.

sunshineflame · April 2020

I think PvPers should have immunity in PvE zones as well. I can't be bothered to learn "mechanics" or gear correctly...just give me immunity and automatic top tier DPS.

I like this guy's ideas!

Alucardo · April 2020

Royaji wrote: »

If questers were to get "quester immunity" PvPers should get "PvPers immunity" which allows you to just walk into a PvE zone, click a button and get all the skyshards, skill points and gear related to this zone immediately.

Deal?

We kinda can with the crown store for skyshards, and Cyrodiil vendors for regional sets.

Deathlord92 · April 2020

[snip] don’t go in a pvp area it’s that simple getting annoyed won’t make the pvpers go away there not doing anything wrong there’s guides on every class all over YouTube that will help you get started.

[edited for baiting]

Wolfchild07 · April 2020

How to get a PvE only Cyro.

You need to fill the main campaign with friends/guilds of questers. You will probably have to commit to 6 months of this at prime time. Everyone will start complaining in zone about where everyone is/why keeps aren't being taken/defended.

ZOS will have 2 choices. Either create another main campaign, or make a PvE only Cyro.

xXMeowMeowXx · April 2020

ZOS, please give Pvpers the ability to kill all players that are of different factions in all overland zones.

At least 1 random day a week.

It will help with the immersion thingy....

MurderMostFoul · April 2020

Kill them back?

Reverb · April 2020

Previously the towns weren’t part of the alliance war transit system. Now they are, making them strategically important. Questers don’t get a pass at war objectives.

There are 33 zones you can quest in without risk of player combat. By coming to Cyrodiil to farm boxes you have chosen to be a war tourist.

Malmai · April 2020

They said eso has nice community, just look at the comments haha...

CMDR_Un1k0rn · April 2020

Malmai wrote: »

They said eso has nice community, just look at the comments haha...

I can detect your sarcasm.

And I agree!

How dare these PvE "questers" demand immunity from a core features of one of the original zones in the game!

Seriously though. It's one zone. PvP players literally cannot PvP in open world anywhere else, except Imperial City.

Two zones. Just two.

PvP players are not the selfish ones here. My time with the PvP community shows that it's the least selfish and toxic sub-set in this game.

Yes, I'm serious. The amount of friends I've made in PvP zones, in a short time period as I am relatively new to PvP, dwarfs what I make in PvE, again, relatively speaking.

Wihuri · April 2020

daemonios wrote: »

If you go to PvP land, your head is up for grabs. That said, some PvPers are sad little boys with sad little lives, who take pleasure in killing players who can't and don't fight back.

Some forum heroes are sad little boys with sad little lives, who take pleasure in bashing people who can't defend themselves because they don't read forums.

Dusk_Coven · April 2020

How else is ZOS going to populate PvP except by luring PvE people there?
Brigandry like this is just people going AWOL from the Alliance armies instead of doing the Alliance War and scoring points for their Alliance to win.

They need to make a PvE instance of Cyrodiil and the Imperial City.
The problem with simply giving Quester Immunity (e.g., while in dialog) is PvP-ers will immediately abuse it by talking to an NPC just to get out of trouble.

TheShadowScout · April 2020

mozers1908b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS please give questers immunity of some kind in Cyrodil.

Just THINK a bit.
If they were to allow PvE qesters immunity in PvP land... they also would have to add some "outlaw mode" to allow the PvPlayers to gank YOU in PvE land to balance. Noone wants that, which is why the people at ZOS went with "PvP in PvP land; PvE in PvE lands"

mozers1908b16_ESO wrote: »

i leave people alone in do my thing yet they feel the need to ambush and attack for no reason, so far ive been done in by 3 playes some more than once even though i didnt fight back. one inside a quest hub, i left him alone and how did i get repaid? oh right i got ganked instead of left alone...

Welcome to the warzone!

What you are saying is pretty silly in itself - if you go into a warzone, and happen upon an enemy soldier... darn right they are gonna do you in! That's kinda their job there.

Yes, -occasionally- it might happen during events that people become considerate and turn a blind eye to the questers just there to collect event rewards. And we are all right thankful to all those PvPlayers who do thia at that time, when the event clock is ticking and hapless PvE-questors want some dailies done as well in whatever gametime they have...
...but any other time?
Heck, getting ganked is part of the package!

And its not so hard to deal with, really.
Just do your questing when your allience owns the map.
Just do your questing during wierd times when all the murderdeathgankers are in bed or at work.
Just forget about that location for now, and go quest in a different corner, and/or finish that location on a different day.
Just sneakalot, and have invisibility & escape potions (and perhaps the occasional movement skill like streak) ready to make your escape when attacked.
Just make friends with a supermurderdeathganker expert PvPlayer and give them some gold and nice words to follow you in stealth and counter-gank anyone trying to gank you while questing?
Just... learn how to stop worrying and love the bomb gank!

And I say that as incorrigeable PvE player, whose poor lil characters get ganked -hard- every time I venture into cyrodil because of my disappointing lack of big PvPness.
I accept that I am likely gonna get ganked, and then do it anyhow. And not just with my sneaky nightblade, with every class.
The only sad thing is... noone ever ganks me when I am done questing and could use a quick bloodport back home...

CMDR_Un1k0rn · April 2020

TheShadowScout wrote: »

mozers1908b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS please give questers immunity of some kind in Cyrodil.

Just THINK a bit.
If they were to allow PvE qesters immunity in PvP land... they also would have to add some "outlaw mode" to allow the PvPlayers to gank YOU in PvE land to balance. Noone wants that, which is why the people at ZOS went with "PvP in PvP land; PvE in PvE lands"

mozers1908b16_ESO wrote: »

i leave people alone in do my thing yet they feel the need to ambush and attack for no reason, so far ive been done in by 3 playes some more than once even though i didnt fight back. one inside a quest hub, i left him alone and how did i get repaid? oh right i got ganked instead of left alone...

Welcome to the warzone!

What you are saying is pretty silly in itself - if you go into a warzone, and happen upon an enemy soldier... darn right they are gonna do you in! That's kinda their job there.

Yes, -occasionally- it might happen during events that people become considerate and turn a blind eye to the questers just there to collect event rewards. And we are all right thankful to all those PvPlayers who do thia at that time, when the event clock is ticking and hapless PvE-questors want some dailies done as well in whatever gametime they have...
...but any other time?
Heck, getting ganked is part of the package!

And its not so hard to deal with, really.
Just do your questing when your allience owns the map.
Just do your questing during wierd times when all the murderdeathgankers are in bed or at work.
Just forget about that location for now, and go quest in a different corner, and/or finish that location on a different day.
Just sneakalot, and have invisibility & escape potions (and perhaps the occasional movement skill like streak) ready to make your escape when attacked.
Just make friends with a supermurderdeathganker expert PvPlayer and give them some gold and nice words to follow you in stealth and counter-gank anyone trying to gank you while questing?
Just... learn how to stop worrying and love the bomb gank!

And I say that as incorrigeable PvE player, whose poor lil characters get ganked -hard- every time I venture into cyrodil because of my disappointing lack of big PvPness.
I accept that I am likely gonna get ganked, and then do it anyhow. And not just with my sneaky nightblade, with every class.
The only sad thing is... noone ever ganks me when I am done questing and could use a quick bloodport back home...

This here is the attitude I like to see!

I'm much of the same mind but in my case I just didn't go to Cyrodiil until I had my PvP build ready. No complaints from me there. It was just a thing to work towards, also known as "Exactly why I play MMOs."

Septimus_Magna · April 2020

I understand where you're coming from, Ive had the same issue when I was completing all the quests in Cyrodiil a couple years ago.

A couple tips to avoid being killed by actual PVPers:
-Make a build with relatively high health and defense, this will make you a less interesting target.
-Sneak/hide when you can, you can still move quickly if you are a stage 4 vamp. Some speed buffs can be cast from stealth without being detected.
-Try to avoid fighting mobs, if you do have to fight kill them as quick as possible and do not use skills that are visible from range, like meteor for example.
-You can even use invis potions to shake off attackers when you are discovered.
-Pay attention to where the fights are on the map, a quest can be on the traveling route from one keep to another. Players coming through could spot and kill you.
-The time/campaign also matters, if there's hardly anyone in Cyrodiil you have a smaller chance of running into someone that tries to kill you.

Dont worry to much about dying, I know it can be frustrating but thats just part of the game in Cyrodiil.

Lysette · April 2020

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

ZOS, please give Pvpers the ability to kill all players that are of different factions in all overland zones.

At least 1 random day a week.

It will help with the immersion thingy....

You mean something like the purge in the namely movie. I actually thought about this in exchange for a pvp free cyro for some time. It is just not a good idea, because a lot of new players won't get it and leave the game quickly again .

relentless_turnip · April 2020

LadySinflower · April 2020

So, yeah, I don't like to PvP. I generally avoid going to Cyrodiil for any reason, unless it's to visit the golden vendor and I won't be leaving my gate. But then these events roll around and the town quests are so quick and easy to complete; it's tempting to try. I don't want to be bothered by other players either so I go over there when the server is dead and wait until the town I want to visit is my color. I have a set of armor and weapons that are better suited for PvP but I don't bother to respec my character or change my champion points. After all my aim is to get in and out as fast as I can. I stay off the roads as much as possible and hide if I see another player in the distance. I carry lots of invisibility potions. Even with those precautions I still get ganked sometimes, or surprised by somebody who saw me before I saw them. It's annoying but it's a PvP zone and people there want to PvP. I don't expect them to not do PvP in a PvP zone. But that just makes me avoid the zone 99% of the time. The 1% when I do go over there I know what could happen, and accept it.

Bucky_13 · April 2020

Ummm, no. When I started doing stuff in Cyrodiil, I was very much a PvEer who didn't care for the PvP stuff there. Did most of the PvE achievements and then I ended up falling in love with PvP after that. I enjoyed the fact that I wasn't safe, I had to watch my surroundings and be careful with where I went. It also helped that I was a stamblade with stealth gear and found out exactly how useful and fun stealth can be in the game. Questing and going skyshards, dolmens and delves in Cyro was one of the most fun experiences I'd had in the game at that point, mainly because of the threat posed by other players.

This idea just takes out all the danger and fun out of Cyro, we have two PvP zones, Cyro and Imp city/sewers. Let us have those 2 zones as full PvP zones. Also, it would most likely be abused.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · April 2020

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Ummm, no. When I started doing stuff in Cyrodiil, I was very much a PvEer who didn't care for the PvP stuff there. Did most of the PvE achievements and then I ended up falling in love with PvP after that. I enjoyed the fact that I wasn't safe, I had to watch my surroundings and be careful with where I went. It also helped that I was a stamblade with stealth gear and found out exactly how useful and fun stealth can be in the game. Questing and going skyshards, dolmens and delves in Cyro was one of the most fun experiences I'd had in the game at that point, mainly because of the threat posed by other players.

This idea just takes out all the danger and fun out of Cyro, we have two PvP zones, Cyro and Imp city/sewers. Let us have those 2 zones as full PvP zones. Also, it would most likely be abused.

Exactly. PvP gets two zones. Just two. And one is basically just an expansion on the other.

Like I say, the only players here are selfish are the PvE players demanding exception from things because it's "not how they want to play."

Before anyone does an @ at me and throws "play how you want" at me, that does not mean you make up your own rules.

Players are absolutely free to enter Cyrodiil in PvE builds. But that doesn't mean they will be handed success there.

mague · April 2020

mozers1908b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS please give questers immunity of some kind in Cyrodil. im sick and tired of getting ganked by [snip] just because im there questing. i leave people alone in do my thing yet they feel the need to ambush and attack for no reason, so far ive been done in by 3 playes some more than once even though i didnt fight back. one inside a quest hub, i left him alone and how did i get repaid? oh right i got ganked instead of left alone. i tried running but nope this [snip] just kept doing the [snip] spear then continued his own questing!!! rude to say the least. scummy yes..... this needs to stop. all factions do it granted but it still needs to stop. all some people want to do is quest quietly and not get abused and ganked by [snip] on a pvp trip.

[edited for profanity and inappropriate content]

Just be more careful. Sneak and have invis potions on the quickdial. I liked PvE in Cyrodiil a lot. You have to be careful in certain places.

The portal level of the towns are save btw.

Kadoin · April 2020

I am missing something: is it required that you go to Cyrodiil for the event?