Crafting your own potions is at least 25% cheaper than buying them on the market.

Crafting your own glyphs, cooking your own food are both about 50% cheaper than buying them on the market.

You have to be able to upgrade your own gear, since much of it is bound.

Transmutation to get a better trait on your gear!

There's quite a bit that crafting does for you still!

New Moon's Acolyte (a crafted 9-trait set) is among the top sets for DPS this patch.

i cant agree with you. i use crafted sets for pvp as a lot of other players do

tmbrinks wrote: »

Crafting your own potions is at least 25% cheaper than buying them on the market.

Crafting your own glyphs, cooking your own food are both about 50% cheaper than buying them on the market.

You have to be able to upgrade your own gear, since much of it is bound.

Transmutation to get a better trait on your gear!

There's quite a bit that crafting does for you still!

New Moon's Acolyte (a crafted 9-trait set) is among the top sets for DPS this patch.

Guyle wrote: »

Daily writs boi

But still it's a miniscule aspect of the game. Writs can give you upgrade mats which to sell right, but you can farm overland sets for good profit. All of those cheaper things are great but If I didn't like crafting in general I wouldn't bother with it. Great point with bound things, I agree. Transmutation I covered in my post. So in general maybe it's just me but this is literally what I talked about, there are benefits but they are minor and used just for min maxing

Who do you think crafts all that stuff you're buying in guild stores...?

I'm happy enough with crafting overall. My biggest complaint is that, overall, the list of 'good' crafted gear sets is shorter than I'd like. Particularly for healers.

Dolgubon wrote: »

Fajin wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I think you’re forgetting master writs, @Fajin.

Because that is end game for crafting ... and is reliant upon motif knowledge, trait research , and crafting achievements.

You don’t do master writs?

That’s totally fine.

Just don’t conveniently omit master writs from your argument.

Oh right I totally forgot about them. But what do those writs give you except more furniture lel? Oh and i think it gives you recipes for high end XP bottles, doesn't it? Again it's pretty uninteresting if you don't do housing.

Simply because you think it's uninteresting doesn't actually mean it's not any good. I don't care for PvP and battle grounds, doesn't mean it needs a rework.

And anyway, even if you do find it uninteresting, you can get a lot of gold from selling those furniture and recipes.

Btw, you can also get target dummies, attunable crafting stations, extra storage, more motifs, your own transmute station (only way if you don't have CWC) Even if you don't care for housing at all, those are very useful things to have in a house somewhere.

and thanks to your add-on... I have all of those in my own house

Fajin wrote: »

Doesn't it?

I mean, after you reach 160cp there's almost no point in crafting gear. There are rare exceptions in some builds, but most of the meta consists of raid/overland sets.

Not everyone does/can equip dungeon/trial meta. There's plenty of people wearing crafted. (but I suppose anyone who's not a 'geared' endgame player doesn't count.)

The OP wonderfully describes a vibrant economy. It's wonderful to play in an online game that gives you choices.

I use crafting when I find a piece of gear that I like, and I want to gold it out. Or sometimes I need to change enchants for a specific reason.

When I have enough sustain, I push my damage stat. If I start to lose sustain, I switch back. It really depends on the patch with that. Crafting makes this much much easier to do.

It has uses, but if you don't want to invest the time, I'm sure someone would love to craft something for your gold.

Fajin wrote: »

Doesn't it?

I mean, after you reach 160cp there's almost no point in crafting gear. There are rare exceptions in some builds, but most of the meta consists of raid/overland sets. And also motifs now give you styles which you can use without crafting! So this aspect is also completely useless now! That means you level non-consumable crafting skills just for hireling and better improvement chances on gear. (maybe also deconstruction) Not to mention you can level all (not only jewelry crafting, woodworking, blacksmithing and tailoring) crafting professions in just one day!

Now for all other professions.

Alchemy is nice, crafting potions for yourself, but there's like 3 of the viable ones which you can easily buy off of the market.

Cooking is great! You can craft meals which buff you... Except you also can buy them off of auction pretty easily.

Enchanting is nice, glyphs increase sustainability! Just buy them off the auction again.

What I'm saying is crafting is too available and artificial difficulty of being a master crafter (which is getting all 9 traits which are mostly useless anyway. Or maybe not since they added the transmutation table, right) doesn't help it.

There isn't even any roleplaying aspect behind crafting, gear and consumables in general.

For example It's not even logical why an absolute newbie can apply a masterpiece glyph on his equipment! Or how can someone receive a buff from a legendary grade dish in its full extent when he can't understand the full complexity of the dish? And with alchemy how come a simple bystander survive the effects of a powerful potion when they didn't even dabble in the arts of alchemy once?

Potion seller, I require your strongest potions! You can't handle my potions...

Conjointly you can make high level gear less useful for a person who doesn't practice crafts since he has bad understanding of said gear.

With my examples of a "proper" (for my standards) roleplaying logic I don't want to make everyone reach 50 in every craft but just have some experience with it. Say 25 or 30, because as I said what's the point of crafting if everyone is a master?

In conclusion I think the crafting system needs a rework. This is a RPG, I can play as anyone I want, I create my own story, but what's the point of doing so if it isn't as rewarding as other content which is in turn also easier? (remember those traits? They take a year to learn every last one of them)
Make crafting on par with raiding, so real master crafters are relevant again and can make money that way. (there are a lots of ways you can balance this). Introduce limitations which at least require you to try crafting or make crafting meaningful in the game world. Make some other changes because I'm sure if you think about it you can get a lot of new ideas.


So what do you, guys, think about that?

I actually really like the crafting in this game, hell of a lot more enjoyable than the crafting in SWTOR.

I can't think of another game I have played where I have made as much use of my crafting skills as ESO, I make my own potions, poisons, glyphs, food and drink, gear all quite often for my self and others in my guilds even randoms that have taken the chance to find out if I was a crafter after noticing the high level motif my outfits use.

I see no need what so ever in adding a role play element to the crafting, the closest I have ever gotten to that is when a new player with no idea about the crafted sets wants training gear and leaves it up to me as the crafter to pick what to give them.

90% of the time however people know what they want and they give you a detailed order with either all the mats needed or a large tip usually if they don't have a craft bag, followed by either mailing the items or direct trading them to the player that ordered the stuff.

As for the bit about newbies using potions/food/drink etc.. and getting reduced buffs for no understanding them etc.. that already exists for players that have not leveled the crafts and gotten access to the relevant passives.

Even the bit about not being able to make the most out of the high level gear that already exists with the skill cap, you can put a new player in the best gear available, it does not suddenly make them the best player in the game.

As for META gear, I know plenty of players that don't touch trial/arena/dungeon sets at all due to hating the farming aspect and they use overland and crafted gear instead.

As for this "you can level the crafts in a day" Sure I can NOW since I have a mountain of mats in my craft bag and a large pile of coin in my inventory, no player starts out like that, I used thieving at first to earn the capital needed to buy what I needed to level my crafting and pay my weekly trade guild mins, all my profits for months went towards leveling crafting on all my alts, took the better part of a year to get the first 15 up to the point where they could do max level writs for all 7 crafts.

The only reason I could level the crafts on my 3 Necromancers quickly was due to the amount of mats I had built up over time and the amount of gold I was making from my sales in 5 trade guilds.

I know players who have taken months to level jewelry crafting and every now and then in guild chat you see some celebrating that they have finished learning all the crafts or learning all the traits because for people starting out that is an achievement that is lost on us long term players who have anywhere from 18 - 36 maxed out crafters doing writs.


The crafting in this game is one of the most accessible parts of the game, adding stupid limitations for no reason is in my opinion a stupid idea, I can't say it any nicer than that.

The game is in its 6th year, there are a lot of "real master crafters" The reason why they are not as relevant is because eventually many long term players get around to making a master crafter, its only new players and those that have no interest in crafting that seek out master crafters.

tmbrinks wrote: »

Dolgubon wrote: »

Fajin wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I think you’re forgetting master writs, @Fajin.

Because that is end game for crafting ... and is reliant upon motif knowledge, trait research , and crafting achievements.

You don’t do master writs?

That’s totally fine.

Just don’t conveniently omit master writs from your argument.

Oh right I totally forgot about them. But what do those writs give you except more furniture lel? Oh and i think it gives you recipes for high end XP bottles, doesn't it? Again it's pretty uninteresting if you don't do housing.

Simply because you think it's uninteresting doesn't actually mean it's not any good. I don't care for PvP and battle grounds, doesn't mean it needs a rework.

And anyway, even if you do find it uninteresting, you can get a lot of gold from selling those furniture and recipes.

Btw, you can also get target dummies, attunable crafting stations, extra storage, more motifs, your own transmute station (only way if you don't have CWC) Even if you don't care for housing at all, those are very useful things to have in a house somewhere.

and thanks to your add-on... I have all of those in my own house

Brinksy I go to your house to do all my master writs lol

Its easiest way for me to get gear. Too much grinding to get overland gear, I don't do dungeons. Potions for food and drink are easy and cheaper to make and rewarding doing them yourself. The guild prices are way out out there on much stuff. At least what I see and since I don't belong to a guild to sell stuff I don't have millions to spare.

I saw someone on chat the other day trying to sell a flower for $1,000. Just one flower. Lol. Corn flower I believe it was.