Returning Stamsorc PVP

Maulkin · March 2020

Aznox wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I need to check that azureblight set

Here's a showcase of the build i've been refining over the past few weeks :

https://twitch.tv/videos/573095203

Can't believe my food buff ran out 2:55 seconds into the BG, I didn't notice all the way through and this is now on record. Fml.

Have you tried Skoria with that build? Should have sweet dmg in these stacked fights. Also orb over caltrops is one I didn't expect.

Aznox · March 2020

Yes Skoria works very well and i'm it using currently.
Kragh is the best one on paper but the short range really limits its performance when you look at cmx stats.
Sellistrix was a way to add team utility to the build, works but hard to quantify.
Grothdarr is an interesting middle ground between Kragh (stacks Azureblight) and Skoria (reliable damage)

Currently i'm testing the replacement of Prisoner's rags by Draurkin, which is an awesome single-target set sharing some mechanics with Azureblight, deviating a bit of the constant AoE pressure for some single-target burstability should be an interesting compromise.

Neoauspex · March 2020

Aznox wrote: »

Yes Skoria works very well and i'm it using currently.
Kragh is the best one on paper but the short range really limits its performance when you look at cmx stats.
Sellistrix was a way to add team utility to the build, works but hard to quantify.
Grothdarr is an interesting middle ground between Kragh (stacks Azureblight) and Skoria (reliable damage)

Currently i'm experimenting the replacement of Prisoner's rags by Draurkin, deviating a bit of the constant AoE pressure for some single-target burstability.

Kragh adds stacks to Azureblight? I tested Leeching Plate and it didn't, you find any other proc sets that do? I know proc sets aren't supposed to proc other proc sets...

Aznox · March 2020

Yes Kragh adds stacks to AzureBlight, like nearly all sources of damage over time, the only exception i found were sources of damage that come from their own entities (like Maw's deadroth pet), probably because the damage does not comes "from you".

Neoauspex · March 2020

Aznox wrote: »

Yes Kragh adds stacks to AzureBlight, like all nearly all sources of damage over time, the only exception i found were sources of damage that come from their own entities (like Maw's deadroth pet), probably because the damage does not comes "from you".

Nice, gonna try out Stormfist since it adds stacks and can still proc on people at a ram when I'm above the gate on oils. Fun to watch whole groups explode when they try and stay in one place.

Thedragonlolitucker · March 2020

just use draugrkin dw dw

fbours · March 2020

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

just use draugrkin dw dw

How is it performing? I assume you use flurry on it?

Aznox · March 2020

fbours wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

just use draugrkin dw dw

How is it performing? I assume you use flurry on it?

Here's a good showcase of a Draugrkin build :

fbours · March 2020

Aznox wrote: »

fbours wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

just use draugrkin dw dw

How is it performing? I assume you use flurry on it?

Here's a good showcase of a Draugrkin build :
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/570226578

Interesting, I see he is using mechanical acuity. So sets draugrkin, MA and kragh monster set? Did I also see him using azureblight?

Aznox · March 2020

Yes in this video that's Draugrkin, MA, Kragh and blackrose dw.

mav1234 · March 2020

Aznox wrote: »

Currently i'm testing the replacement of Prisoner's rags by Draurkin, which is an awesome single-target set sharing some mechanics with Azureblight, deviating a bit of the constant AoE pressure for some single-target burstability should be an interesting compromise.

draugrkin+azureblight?

how is that going?

I am farming azureblight on my stam sorc now. Enjoying draugrkin but I want to try a variety of builds.

Aznox · March 2020

mav1234 wrote: »

draugrkin+azureblight?

how is that going?

I haven't got a lot competitive BGs with it yet and i still need to find my marks with it, but so far it seems to work at providing a reasonable amount of both AoE and single-target burst. I'll try to give a bit more feedback in a few days.

Thedragonlolitucker · March 2020

fbours wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

just use draugrkin dw dw

How is it performing? I assume you use flurry on it?

yeah deadly strikes + draugrkin w flurry

Maulkin · March 2020

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

fbours wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

just use draugrkin dw dw

How is it performing? I assume you use flurry on it?

yeah deadly strikes + draugrkin w flurry

Just so we're clear for anyone reading this that Flurry and Jabs have both been changed to be considered direct damage attacks and therefore Flurry is now not a DoT. Therefore it's not buffed Deadly Strikes, nor does it proc any sets that require DoT damage like Skoria or Azureblight.

However it does work well with Direct Damage proc sets like Mechanical Acuity, which explains the choice of Decimus in the video above.

Sanguinor2 · March 2020

Maulkin wrote: »

Just so we're clear for anyone reading this that Flurry and Jabs have both been changed to be considered direct damage attacks and therefore Flurry is now not a DoT. Therefore it's not buffed Deadly Strikes, nor does it proc any sets that require DoT damage like Skoria or Azureblight.

However it does work well with Direct Damage proc sets like Mechanical Acuity, which explains the choice of Decimus in the video above.

Pretty sure deadly still buffs Jabs at the very least so it should also buff flurry because both are channels.

Aznox · March 2020

Maulkin wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

fbours wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

just use draugrkin dw dw

How is it performing? I assume you use flurry on it?

yeah deadly strikes + draugrkin w flurry

Just so we're clear for anyone reading this that Flurry and Jabs have both been changed to be considered direct damage attacks and therefore Flurry is now not a DoT. Therefore it's not buffed Deadly Strikes, nor does it proc any sets that require DoT damage like Skoria or Azureblight.

However it does work well with Direct Damage proc sets like Mechanical Acuity, which explains the choice of Decimus in the video above.

It is true Flurry is now only a succession of direct damage ticks (before it had one tick direct and others DoT)

However the description of Deadly Strike has recently be changed to included "channeled abilities", probably to keep it working with Flurry.

(5 items) Increase the damage your Physical, Bleed, Poison, and Disease Damage over time and channeled abilities do by 20%.

https://eso-sets.com/set/deadly-strike

MurderMostFoul · March 2020

Aznox wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

fbours wrote: »

Thedragonlolitucker wrote: »

just use draugrkin dw dw

How is it performing? I assume you use flurry on it?

yeah deadly strikes + draugrkin w flurry

Just so we're clear for anyone reading this that Flurry and Jabs have both been changed to be considered direct damage attacks and therefore Flurry is now not a DoT. Therefore it's not buffed Deadly Strikes, nor does it proc any sets that require DoT damage like Skoria or Azureblight.

However it does work well with Direct Damage proc sets like Mechanical Acuity, which explains the choice of Decimus in the video above.

It is true Flurry is now only a succession of direct damage ticks (before it had one tick direct and others DoT)

However the description of Deadly Strike has recently be changed to included "channeled abilities", probably to keep it working with Flurry.

(5 items) Increase the damage your Physical, Bleed, Poison, and Disease Damage over time and channeled abilities do by 20%.

https://eso-sets.com/set/deadly-strike

Yes, I believe both Jabs and Flurry are buffed by Deadly Strikes set as they still both count as channeled abilities.

Maulkin · March 2020

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Pretty sure deadly still buffs Jabs at the very least so it should also buff flurry because both are channels.

Aznox wrote: »

It is true Flurry is now only a succession of direct damage ticks (before it had one tick direct and others DoT)

However the description of Deadly Strike has recently be changed to included "channeled abilities", probably to keep it working with Flurry.

(5 items) Increase the damage your Physical, Bleed, Poison, and Disease Damage over time and channeled abilities do by 20%.

https://eso-sets.com/set/deadly-strike

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Yes, I believe both Jabs and Flurry are buffed by Deadly Strikes set as they still both count as channeled abilities.

Hadn't noticed that change to Deadly Strikes description, my bad boys.

Raudgrani · March 2020

At least on a Nord, New Moon Acolyte (body) and Spriggan (maul + jewelry) works well, paired with either like Bloodspawn or Balorg, and Master's Bow on backbar, or why not a Potentates bow if you lack a Master's one. I run heavy chest, light waist and rest medium, Nirnhoned maul, but might make it sharp for mega pen.

I actually use Silver Shards as spammable on frontbar, and build up Bound Armaments on backbar (where I also get 5 Eagle Eye stacks, before Poison Injection), HA -> Onslaught -> Bound Armaments "projectiles" -> Executioner or a few Silver Shards before Executioner works well.
I meant to use Dizzy Swing for spammable, but it's even worse to land now, when you get stuck midway through animation, and can't do s**t; it's more awful than ever to use now.

Though, in open world PVP, the usefulness for such builds are ever decreasing it seems. Either you run into a group of bombers, a necro bomber - or people turn tail and run like dogs, that's pretty much the case all the time. Now. It has really made the game predictable and boring to say the least. But if you find someone eager to "1v1" along the way, it wrecks.

Aznox · March 2020

Not surprising considering it isn't mentionned in any patch notes ...

Maulkin · March 2020

Since my earlier mess-up, I'd like to add something useful on the discussion on Deadly Strikes.

I did some tests with and without DS. I was merely changing 1 piece (the necklace) to another item of same trait, colour and enchant. Therefore stats are completely unchanged, onkly missing the 5-p bonus of deadly strikes.

Also all numbers are non-crit, from the same bar, without major brut or savagery. Therefore same buffs.

Verdict: DS is inconsistent, it buffs each skill differently but it consistently delivers less than 20% tooltip or actual dmg. It averages around ~14% damage buff in CP at least. I'd probably still prefer something that is either a burst proc (red mountain) for single target, or Azureblight for AoE, or a raw stat-giver like NMA for a combination of both dmg and heals.

Aznox · March 2020

Yeah this is expected because %damage modifiers stack additively. (it only gives you 20% if this is your only modifier of this type, because it adds 20% of "base"). Thanks for confirming with test data.

Maulkin · March 2020

Aznox wrote: »

Yeah this is expected because %damage modifiers stack additively. (it only gives you 20% if this is your only modifier of this type, because it adds 20% of "base"). Thanks for confirming with test data.

Indeed. Like I said, I don't think this set is worth it. You'd be very lucky to be doing 5-6k dps only with your non-magic DoTs on a PvP target, so this set will add ~1k dps to your pressure at absolute most when you manage to stack 7-8 stamina DoTs. Lots of sets can outperform that by boosting overall weapon dmg or phys penetration which also buff your light/heavy attacks, ult burst and proc set damage.

If DoTs we buffed again to 2.5x the damage of direct attacks, instead of 1.5x, then maybe.

Aznox · March 2020

Well the whole point would be to boost a Draugrkin burst window composed of :
- Flurry
- Double dot poison
- DW bleed
- Hurricane
- Bow ult ?
- Kragh
- etc ...

In this scenario Deadly Strike should be strong, but in no-CP the competition with another proc set is tough.

universal_wrath · April 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

Tolino wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Stamsorc is great, I don’t play one but play against them a lot.

I usually mix healing and damage as mag and what I see a lot do is shuffle/forward momentum through people and burst me down at the back of my group, then kite around a lot waiting for their burst. It’s really annoying (meaning it’s effective) and if you get the burst down it’s deadly.

I’d practice the whole dizzy - med (for stun) - onslaught into executioner burst combo. Get that down and the stamsorc speed makes it really difficult for mag to kite. That’s the playstyle that I see lots do really well with.

Stamsorc is great? Good joke!
Stamsorc is only good at running away from a fight.

Stamsorc is the only class whitout a additional defense. Stamsorc doasn't have any debuffs.
The only thing they have offensiv is great dmg-Passives. But they can't compensate the lack of a good burstcombo.

There are currently 2 ways to play Stamsorc! Either you stack your weapon damage as high as possible and hope that the dizzy Onslought Combo is enough or you play Proc-sets.

A lot of the best BG players on PC-NA are stamsorcs.

I think that only applies to NA server because people there build for burst. EU server folks build to tank which makes stamsorc falls behind. Best BG player on EU are former stamsorc mains rolling necros and warden.

Rhaegar75 · April 2020

I must admit I've never played a sorc so I imagine it must be a L2P issue too....but i'm soooo squishy in medium!!!
do many use Heavy...but them my damage just plummets...

confused

Thraben · April 2020

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I must admit I've never played a sorc so I imagine it must be a L2P issue too....but i'm soooo squishy in medium!!!
do many use Heavy...but them my damage just plummets...

confused

A vast majority uses heavy armor, oftentimes even combined with Pariah + BRP Dual Wield + Trollking. And if you still manage to die more than once an hour, just equip Defensive Rune.

With the Vampire changes, most will probably go Vamp anyway to make up for missing weapon damage ... my poor, poor Werewolf

Maulkin · April 2020

raasdal wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks, is way of fire so strong ? Does not seen that strong choice compared to others

I need to check that azureblight set

Yes, WoF and RM are the two highest single target damage sets in the game for no CP if you build for it (flurry).

Azureblight is also great and has excellent synergy with Stamsorc. The key is that the proc is AoE and can stack on everyone.

I took that idea and went [snip] with it.

Red Mountain (front), Way of Fire (also front), Merciless Charge (backbar), Skoria. 6 Medium, Orc and Lover mundus. Also double axes and double-dot poisons since more dots = more fun.

I mean I'm squishy and all and some Stamcros and Stamdks can practically 2-shot me, but my god the damage I put out makes it so much fun.

[edited for inappropriate language]

MurderMostFoul · April 2020

Maulkin wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Thanks, is way of fire so strong ? Does not seen that strong choice compared to others

I need to check that azureblight set

Yes, WoF and RM are the two highest single target damage sets in the game for no CP if you build for it (flurry).

Azureblight is also great and has excellent synergy with Stamsorc. The key is that the proc is AoE and can stack on everyone.

I took that idea and went [snip] with it.

Red Mountain (front), Way of Fire (also front), Merciless Charge (backbar), Skoria. 6 Medium, Orc and Lover mundus. Also double axes and double-dot poisons since more dots = more fun.

I mean I'm squishy and all and some Stamcros and Stamdks can practically 2-shot me, but my god the damage I put out makes it so much fun.

[edited for inappropriate language]

I mean I'm squishy and all and some Stamcros and Stamdks can practically 2-shot me, but my god the damage I put out makes it so much fun.

Just so I understand how WoF and RM work,

You have to have the 5th piece of each currently equipped for it to proc, right?

Lik,e you can't back bar one, apply a weapon dot on your backbar, then weapon swap (unequiping the 5th piece) and still get procs off tics of the weapon dot from your back bar?

Aznox · April 2020

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Lik,e you can't back bar one, apply a weapon dot on your backbar, then weapon swap (unequiping the 5th piece) and still get procs off tics of the weapon dot from your back bar?

Nope, you can't do that.
Set needs to be active when the trigger happens (here : when the dot ticks).